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Someone has to explain how the A12Z iPad Pro version doesn't support this when the ARM Dev Kit Mac mini was based on the A12Z, meaning the A12Z is fully capable of the same stuff M1 is. Hopefully Apple will backtrack like last year (they brought some stuff announced only for M1 to intel in later betas). All iPad Pro's should have this feature, it's called the 'Pro'. Don't make me spend another $1000 or more on a new model when you promised the 'Pro' model when first launched in 2015 would bring. desktop experience to the iPad for Pro users and never delivered until now.
Try telling this to the people in this thread that think nobody should expect new features after buying a device.
 
I love all these people coming in here and acting like you shouldn't ever expect software updates for your device, as if we should be grateful for getting a single year's worth of iPadOS updates.

We're in the middle of economic uncertainty amidst record inflation and we're supposed to just spend nearly a thousand dollars to get these features when we already spent that same damn amount of money on a "pro" device just a few years ago? Every single iPad Pro has been massively overspecced, with reviewers saying they're excited to see what's to come with iPadOS. I guess what they should have said was don't buy these devices unless what you're looking for is a thousand-dollar big iPhone. After all, we're not supposed to buy products expecting any kind of future updates!

I know when Apple holds features back due to performance. It sucks, but it's a valid reason. Nobody is going to convince me that the A12X processor and 4 gigs of RAM in my iPad Pro can't handle floating windows, some form of true external display support (even if the number of running apps is cut down), and most of the other features introduced in this update.

Oh well, it is what it is. I'm off to go worship Tim Cook for having the love and altruism to allow my 2020 MacBook Pro yet another update that I am wholly undeserving of.
It’s not that you shouldn’t expect software updates, but that it’s a poor use of money to buy hardware that doesn’t yet meet your needs in the hopes that it might meet your needs in the future. You should always make the buy/don’t buy decision on current features/capabilities, not on future potential that may or may not show up. Even promised software features may not eventually ship. If you’re buying $1000+ hardware because you’ve bought into some hype about what it could do for you in the future, but you haven’t done the due diligence to see if it would work for you today, I think you’ve mostly forfeited the right to complain about the cost of the hardware when it doesn’t do things you want it to (especially when the vendor never even promised the thing in the first place, and you’ve bought into third party hype).

Edit: Buying an iPad Pro because “omg, finally, it’ll unlock pro apps” is like buying a Tesla because “omg, self driving cars are the future”. Does the Tesla available on sale today meet your car needs? If so, buy it (assuming you’re in the market for it and can afford it). Does the Tesla available on sale today not meet your car needs? Then don’t buy one in the hopes that software updates down the road will enable it to meet those needs, buy an available car today that meets those needs. And if one of those needs is self driving? Well, none of the cars available today are truly 100% autonomous all the time, so the car being self driving shouldn’t be a make or break feature for you, it’s mostly just hype for now. To build on the Tesla example, does an electric car meet all your usage cases? Then go electric by all means. Do you frequently exceed the battery range of your car and are there no fast charging facilities where you drive? Then don’t buy a Tesla hoping that fast charging becomes more widely available in the areas you drive. Wait until a Tesla would work for you to buy a Tesla instead of jumping on some hype bandwagon and buying prematurely.
 
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Imagine waiting four years for a proper multitasking support (which this still isn't) and then being told I can't even run it on my 2018 ipad pro. Done with this bs. Gonna grab the new air or surface
Yeah i am done too. I am switching my entire workflow. To wacom and leave procreate. I gotta get a new tablet, and pc but screw this. I got an i pad air 4 and now they want me to buy a 5. I have been using apple products since 2014 . For the first time I feel defeated.
there used to be a time where the ipad that will not support new Features were years apart. Now it’s. Year or 2. ( it used to be more than 2 years)
 
Is there any advantage to keeping Reference mode on if you have the iPad Pro plugged in, such as for watching movies etc?
 
In addition the file app is receiving meaningless update. Rather than access to app system files. MULTI USERS ( even on the great M1) let me guess M2 feathere? At last why is having the capability to project your ipad screen properly on a monitor require 8 gb of ram?
 
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It was extremely overdue to get proper external display support, but to only give it to M1 iPads is very aggressive upgrade push. iPad Pro 2018 with A12X, Apple said on stage that "the iPad Pro is faster than 92% of all portable PCs sold in the last 12 months" and it can't run a single safari browser full screen on an external monitor? Crazy.. I don't need 4+4 apps, I would be really ok with a full safari external screen, most things are in browser anyway.. Being a 2020 iPP owner, I really feel left out "unreasonably". The productivity difference between 2020 and 2021 iPP will be huge.. Let us see if Apple forces to buy magic keyboard OR any bluetooth mouse and keyboard will do.?
 
It’s not that you shouldn’t expect software updates, but that it’s a poor use of money to buy hardware that doesn’t yet meet your needs in the hopes that it might meet your needs in the future. You should always make the buy/don’t buy decision on current features/capabilities, not on future potential that may or may not show up. Even promised software features may not eventually ship. If you’re buying $1000+ hardware because you’ve bought into some hype about what it could do for you in the future, but you haven’t done the due diligence to see if it would work for you today, I think you’ve mostly forfeited the right to complain about the cost of the hardware when it doesn’t do things you want it to (especially when the vendor never even promised the thing in the first place, and you’ve bought into third party hype).
You're right but only so far because the A12Z processor was in the M1 Dev Kit, meaning it is fully capable of running this. And it's only 2 years old, I can understand the A12X which is in the 2018 iPad Pro's but the A12Z is in the 2020 models and was in the Dev Kit. ZERO reason it can't run this new feature. I'm sorry but it's not a RAM heavy feature, 6GB RAM could run it and why not bring the no black bars external display feature to all iPad's. That uses almost no RAM, just a cord & GPU. We bought iPad Pro's as a Pro user when Apple announced in 2015 the iPad Pro would bring desktop experience to the iPad and it never cam until now and now it's a big finger at all old Pro model users even one gen model earlier users.
 
Same here, 2020 iPad Pro owner. As apple says, I cant even run a single Safari full screen on an external display. Even a Raspberry PI computer which costs less than 100$ can do it..
The don't say that.

No Stage does not mean no external display support. They are separate features.
 
It was extremely overdue to get proper external display support, but to only give it to M1 iPads is very aggressive upgrade push. iPad Pro 2018 with A12X, Apple said on stage that "the iPad Pro is faster than 92% of all portable PCs sold in the last 12 months" and it cant run a single safari browser full screen on an external monitor? Crazy.. I dont need 4+4 apps, I would be really ok with a full safari screen, most things are in browser anyway.. Being a 2020 owner, I really feel left out. The productivity difference between 2020 and 2021 iPP will be huge.. Let us see if Apple forces to buy magic keyboard OR any mouse and keyboard will do.?
The 2018 A12X model only had 4GB RAM, that may call it close, but the 2020 A12Z model had 6GB RAM and the A12Z was used in the DTK. It should be able to run no issues on those models and how can you literally cut off new features for a one gen earlier product and only support the latest models with a new feature...
 
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Is there any advantage to keeping Reference mode on if you have the iPad Pro plugged in, such as for watching movies etc?
Probably not? Color reference is typically a video and image professional type thing. Unless you’re obsessed with having professional color reproduction in your movie streaming from Netflix, it likely doesn’t change your experience much. (Actually, as a matter of fact, I’d suspect color reference depends on media that carries accurate color info, and that Netflix streaming likely doesn’t have that level of info.)
 
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In addition the file app is receiving meaningless update. Rather than access to app system files. MULTI USERS ( even on the great M1) let me guess M2 feathere? At last why is having the capability to project your ipad screen properly on a monitor require 8 gb of ram?
All os16 iPads get external display support.
 
The external display support is part of the Stage View. It's grouped together...
That's unknown at this point.

Stage Manager has the #5 M1 disclaimer, but Display Support, despite saying Stage Manager, does not have the M1 disclaimer. Stage Manager may require Thunderbolt, while display support only requires USB-C.

Everyone needs to relax about features until the first beta is out.
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This really makes anyone want to buy another iPad again. I have the 2020 model which is 2 years old only and has the A12Z, the ARM dev kit had the A12Z in it, how is it not supported by this feature... The iPad is NOT a phone and we shouldn't have to upgrade it every year like one... This feature should be in all Pro models, we paid for a Pro model iPad.
Yeah this comes off as the software equivalent of the iPad 3/4 BS. Apple wonders why iPad sales can't grow.. keep this BS going and they'll lose credibility in more product lines. Mac is still struggling for relevance, iPad is bordering on still-born, home probably isn't doing that great, either (we don't know because they hide it). Apple is an iPhone company for sure and will remain as such until they stop this kind of crap.

Watch is probably doing excellent, but it's got the ultimate halo effect from iPhone plus relevance to health. iPad continues to be a good solution in search of a serious problem.
 
I wonder what will hapen if you launch a game with external monitor. Will it stay in a window?
I’m guessing that the developer would have to make changes to support the feature. For example, right now any app has the ability to provide full resolution on the external monitor, it’s just that most don’t support that. Hopefully now that it’s system level, (and the developer doesn’t have to sort out how to do it) more developers support it.
 
Apple FINALLY provides some kind of external display support improvement 🥳 (waiting for reviews and more details though)
only to make it exclusive to the (expen$ive) pro models... 😡😭

thus the wait continues for an iPad Mini with that capability... ☠️
The M1 Air gets it as well so no, its not limited to the Pro models.
 
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