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Apple Debuts App Windows, Full External Display Support, and More for M1 iPads

Will there be 24GB RAM M2 iPad Pro (October 2022)?
 
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jdawgnoonan said:
Someone may have already answered this, but with Stage Manager do the thumbnails on the left ever hide and let you work with the apps without all of the wasted space?
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Yes, you can drag the floating windows and make them wider, which "hides" the thumbnails on the left. If you drag the touchpad over to that area of the screen, they then show up.
 
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VictorTango777 said:
Everyone keeps arguing that only iPadOS should support touch. If there is a standard USB HID Class for multitouch like there is for keyboard and mouse, why shouldn't iPadOS support it? Do people expect Apple to make a 30-50 inch iPad?
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Dude it's Apple. Of course they should allow it which means they'll come up with a bs reason about it affecting the user experience and force you to use keyboard and mouse on an external monitor. But hey, you never know until it's officially released.
 
Jim Lahey said:
M1 requirement seems arbitrary. And probably is. I can't imagine doing what computers have been doing for decades suddenly requires a quantum processor in 2022 :oops:
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Exactly, decade old cheap windows laptop can handle external monitors properly..
 
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Jim Lahey said:
M1 requirement seems arbitrary. And probably is. I can't imagine doing what computers have been doing for decades suddenly requires a quantum processor in 2022 :oops:
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I would guess it has more to do with the fact that the M1 is designed around desktop-level I/O and the A12X/Z and A14 are not (and even then the M1 is barely desktop level I/O hence the 1 external display support).
 
bradman83 said:
I would guess it has more to do with the fact that the M1 is designed around desktop-level I/O and the A12X/Z and A14 are not (and even then the M1 is barely desktop level I/O hence the 1 external display support).
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M2 is said to have the same 1 external display support.
 
Still think its BS that a 2020 iPad Pro with A12Z processor can't use Stage Manager. It's just another Apple marketing excuse to sell the new M1 iPads. Maybe hold off and wait for an M2 iPad Pro so that you don't get screwed over later on. They'll make some excuse again that M1 doesn't have certain capabilities. 😒
 
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bradman83 said:
I would guess it has more to do with the fact that the M1 is designed around desktop-level I/O and the A12X/Z and A14 are not (and even then the M1 is barely desktop level I/O hence the 1 external display support).
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Maybe. I was thinking more about the windowed apps thing.
 
Jim Lahey said:
M1 requirement seems arbitrary. And probably is. I can't imagine doing what computers have been doing for decades suddenly requires a quantum processor in 2022 :oops:
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It is. This is why I support jailbreaking because you can enable features Apple doesn't want to enable for older devices that can. When Apple does a scummy move like this it really gets on my nerves.
 
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CornBeef4 said:
Imagine waiting four years for a proper multitasking support (which this still isn't) and then being told I can't even run it on my 2018 ipad pro. Done with this bs. Gonna grab the new air or surface
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I maintain that people who think we need multiple floating resizable windows to have true multitasking are missing the point. True multitasking doesn’t depend on the windowing paradigm (and the current iPad windowing system actually allows you to have 2 apps fully visible which it is not clear if this one has or not). What matters pp-to-app communication, not killing apps in the background, etc… these are the things that would make the iPads multitasking more powerful and I’m not sure if any of them have been added or not.
All this new system does is rearrange the deck chairs, being able to see overlapping windows isn’t actually that helpful and just gives the illusion of productivity.
They didn’t give us resizable slideover which i was hoping for (allowing slideover to take up half or 2/3 of the screen would have allowed more powerful temporary interaction with an app).
 
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kc9hzn said:
Like, what type of workflows are you doing that the iPad isn’t suitable for? I’ve never really gotten a clear answer from anyone when I’ve asked that, the impression I’ve gotten is that it’s mostly “I’m used to working with a bunch of windows [very few of which are ever in active play at the same time], and I’m not interested in changing how I work”. It’s my experience that windows just multiply and add clutter and friction, it’s not an especially great way of working. Windows from 8 apps at a time is really quite a bit, I’d imagine most people don’t have workflows that need more than that (that can’t be separated into another window group). That’s legitimately a lot of windows to be juggling for any one task, surely such a workflow can be broken into smaller functional limits?
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This! I also don’t know how having a bunch of small windows is any better than slideover + split view… plus the individual apps in split-view + slideover are actually allowed to take up more screen space than in stage manager so I think this system is actually going to make apps less powerful (since more UI will have to be hidden).
 
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kc9hzn said:
Can you walk me through what you mean by the email problem? I opened Mail on my iPhone, tapped the sender field, tapped and held on the sender name, a contacts sheet popped up, and I just tapped and held the email field then hit copy. It’s a lot of steps, yes, but I wasn’t sure it could be done and I was able to figure out how to do it in less than a minute just from being very familiar with iOS.

(Edit: I actually had to do something similar with Android a few weeks ago, and I’m much less familiar with Android than I am with iOS. It began with the person telling me what they needed to do, and I thought “I’d imagine Android probably has a way of doing this, it would be weird if it didn’t”. Then I poked around [and tapped and held obvious-seeming interaction targets] and figured out how to do the thing the person I was helping wanted, only took me a couple minutes. I share this experience to briefly demonstrate my problem solving technique on phones and/on computers in general.)

I suppose you could also be talking about an issue with smart text, but I was able to tap and hold an email address in my email and select copy from the contextual menu.

To be fair, if you’re super experienced with desktop OSes and don’t have the same level of experience with iOS/iPadOS, it might not be intuitive to try to tap and hold an email address or the sender name in the sender field.
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I think maybe he tried to drag and drop the addresses - which doesn’t work for some reason - I just went to mail myself, new message, drag new message into split view, try and drag addresses into new mail window - I think this is just a bug/missing feature in mail. Having multiple floating windows won’t help his at all since if mail doesn’t have drag and drop of email address support right now its unlikely to be fixed just by letting the windows float.
 
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GhostRaider said:
Still think its BS that a 2020 iPad Pro with A12Z processor can't use Stage Manager. It's just another Apple marketing excuse to sell the new M1 iPads. Maybe hold off and wait for an M2 iPad Pro so that you don't get screwed over later on. They'll make some excuse again that M1 doesn't have certain capabilities. 😒
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I’d look at the RAM and GPU capabilities as those are the two things that would be instrumental in making this happen. And Stage Manager as a feature would have to work the same when attached to an external monitor to be complete.
 
bcortens said:
I think maybe he tried to drag and drop the addresses - which doesn’t work for some reason - I just went to mail myself, new message, drag new message into split view, try and drag addresses into new mail window - I think this is just a bug/missing feature in mail. Having multiple floating windows won’t help his at all since if mail doesn’t have drag and drop of email address support right now its unlikely to be fixed just by letting the windows float.
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The next iPad Pro refresh may be for a 12.9 inch and a larger size, leaving the 11 inch to the air.
 
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I’m a bit bummed this is not coming to the Mini 6 although the A15 is technically a newer processor. And it would surely be useful to be able to swap between windows on small screen lime the Mini.
Guess I’ll see what the state of the feature is in a few years. Currently quite a few apps don’t even support drag and drop…
 
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