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Apple Debuts New 8-Core MacBook Pro With Updated Keyboard
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Since there is no direct source from Apple, I will believe it when I see it. And, even then, it is yet to be determined if this new keyboard revision solves the problem.
Are you serious? This is journalism 101. Multiple reputable journalists have all independently reported they have received the same information from Apple. Certainly we don't know whether the new keyboard solves all the problems, but I don't know why you would doubt that Apple will replace failed 2018 keyboards with the 2019 model.
In any case, if you require photographic proof, you should get it soon enough. As 2018 keyboards fail and get replaced with 2019 keyboards, anyone who pops a cap off their replaced keyboard will be able to see that the plastic membrane is different than before.
As my good old pappy always used to say, “Son, some people just gotta dissect the alien themselves to prove it’s not a guy in a rubber suit.”
Yeh wish they’d bring one out with a 5400 rpm hdd too with that sd slot. And what’s wrong with the touchbar exactly? Maybe go with pc mate, it sounds like innovation ain’t your thing.
You are misleading people. It is NOT a new mechanism. According to iFix It, it is the same.
They just updated some of the materials.
It is just Pathetic that Apple insist for the 4th time on fixing a mechanism that keeps having problems, but also a feel that no one likes.
Apple's lack of confidence is so big, that I wonder why they also included the just released 2019 MBP in the repair program.
The touchbar isn‘t innovation. Its changing things just for the sake of change, without improving anything, without reason. Just gimmickery. For the majority of users, NOT having the touchbar is both more convenient and productive.
I ordered the 6-core 15" online and picked it up today at the local Apple Store. I've been using it for a few hours and can make the following minor observations: 1. Battery life is incredible. I'm finally getting very near the 10-hour advertised life. 2. The thing is a beast and rips through anything I've thrown at it so far. 3. The keyboard is subtly different. Granted, it's still the "butterfly" keyboard but with the new membrane underneath each key the typing experience is, again, subtly different. It's much nicer, in my opinion, than the 1st and 2nd ten keyboards.
Very happy so far with this laptop: kudos to Apple.
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Nope. Haven't seen it yet and I've been heavily using the 6-core 15" model for a few hours. No throttling yet.
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Subtly different but nicer to use than either the 1st or 2nd gen keyboards. Much improved.
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Yes, only for the 15" model. I purchased the 6-core model for my 15" and it's real nice.
Very happy so far with this laptop: kudos to Apple.
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Nope. Haven't seen it yet and I've been heavily using the 6-core 15" model for a few hours. No throttling yet.
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Subtly different but nicer to use than either the 1st or 2nd gen keyboards. Much improved.
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wait, i guess i spoke too soon - this 8-core seems to only apply to the 15" model
Yes, only for the 15" model. I purchased the 6-core model for my 15" and it's real nice.
No one likes? I am sure that many people hate this keyboard, but many also like it. Don't just say things like that because you hate the keyboard. For me the only worrying part is the reliability. It doesn't matter if someone hates the keyboard or not. The keyboard should NEVER fail.
What's misleading about what he said? Whether it's a new mechanism or not, Apple made a tweak related to increasing reliability and reducing keyboard issues, and 2018 keyboards which fail will be replaced by the 2019 model with updated materials.
Based on this video, it would appear that they have not fixed the problem.
Supposedly NOT everyone is having the problem either. Just seems like Apples tricking people into buying.
Well there is that 2 week return window.
Well there is that 2 week return window.
That's not what I got from the video (and the teardown itself). What I got from watching/reading the analysis iFixit made is that the changes are relatively small and it's not clear how much they will help.
In general, analyses (which should be considered reasoned estimates because Apple is not disclosing official numbers) imply that the first generation butterfly keyboard was the worst, and that reliability has improved with each generation of the butterfly keyboard. Clearly the third generation keyboards are still having enough issues that this has become a media story, and Apple has made some further tweaks in this "3.1" generation keyboard.
Only Apple knows how much worse the third generation reliability is compared to say the 2015 MBP keyboard, or the industry at large, and only Apple has a projection of how much of an improvement these minor material changes are expected to make. No keyboard is 100% reliable, and it's certainly possible that these latest tweaks will increase reliability such that future failure rates are in-line with industry norms for premium notebooks.
Hopefully in time that will become apparent, but the increased media and consumer attention on MBP keyboard failures may make it difficult to conclusively say that the 3.1 keyboards are now "reliable." Even the most reliable keyboards fail in certain situations, and every 2019 MBP keyboard failure is likely to be closely scrutinized. For this and other reasons, I fully expect Apple to completely redesign the keyboard in the next MBP even if Apple is confident they have completely licked their reliability issues.
Hi Zdigital2015, it's not only that a hardware esc key would be better (with the same tactile feel of the rest of the keyboard), but the location of the esc key has also changed even if you are using the glass one on the touch bar. The esc key on the touch bar just isn't usable. If the whole keyboard was glass, there at least wouldn't be the issue of a different in tactile feedback for a single key.
It's hard to understand the importance of the esc key if you are not a vim/vi-mode user. If you're a touch-typist, you definitely don't need to look where the esc key is.
The best option for continued touch bar, would be to put a hardware esc key to the left of the touch bar (and probably a hardware Touch-ID/power key to the right). The touch bar would have ample space in between.
Alternatively, the touch bar could go above a row of typical hardware esc, fn, Touch-ID/power keys. I'd like this as there doesn't seem to be a convenient way to adjust the brightness of the backlighting on the keyboard with the standard configuration. Plus, I like to press and hold f11/volume-down when I realise that volume is inappropriate (I prefer than to f10/mute un case of accidental unmuting).
However, I'd much prefer to be able to order a MacBook Pro 15 with a keyboard like the MacBook Air.
My impression of the Touch Bar is that it was intended to be a more versatile row of function keys. As such, it makes little sense to include the touchbar in addition to the function keys.
I think the reality is that not all function keys get used. So like the iPad's software keyboard which is able to change its layout depending on the situation, Apple thought a row of function keys that could change based on what task you were using would be more useful. I am clearly not a power-user, but I have been paying more attention to what keys I have used of late on my iMac's keyboard, and it's mostly just the volume and brightness controls. Hardly use the esc and caps-lock keys as well.
One thing I think would be cool would be the ability to run shortcuts via the touchbar (if the app ever comes to the Mac). But if the pros hate it, and the mass consumers are largely indifferent to it, then may as well revert to the old set of function keys.
What defines a pro exactly? For me, anyone that is doing any kind of work on his/her laptop, is a pro.
I am using my laptop for fun and work. I am a power user and IT Pro and enjoy the TouchBar a lot. I am sure others hate it, but others love it. So is life. There is no universal thing that everybody loves.
I am using my laptop for fun and work. I am a power user and IT Pro and enjoy the TouchBar a lot. I am sure others hate it, but others love it. So is life. There is no universal thing that everybody loves.
Hey all! How long do you typically wait to upgrade your Macbook Pro? I have a Macbook Pro 2016 and I'm thinking of selling it and getting the 2019. Would it be most cost effective to do now? Or should I wait longer?
My current computer works fine but as I'm a video editor and do lots of photoshop I'm always looking to get an edge... but at the same time save as much money possible by upgrading smartly. Let me know!
My current computer works fine but as I'm a video editor and do lots of photoshop I'm always looking to get an edge... but at the same time save as much money possible by upgrading smartly. Let me know!
Although Esc appears to be offset to the right from its normal position, it's responsive to the left as well. I'm not sure if they show it offset to the right so that it's symmetric with the Touch Bar keys on the right side of the keyboard that stop at the blank area where Touch ID is, but at least the blank area to the left of Esc can already be tapped. It actually makes the effective Esc key size larger than a regular keyboard.
Dave Lee just testes the new MacBook Pro. Although it does not throttle, the chassi obviousl can’t handle the potential power of the processor.
So Apple's poor case design cripples the performance by about 20%
Thanks for the disappointing info
Yes, that's my view regarding professional.
But with respect to Apple devices "Pro" signifies productivity.
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Speaking for everyone, eh?
I like mine a lot. I type faster and more accurately. I'd not want to go back to previous generation keyboards.
I am very much productive with my MacBook Pro, so I guess I am using the right laptop for me.