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Did you miss the part where I wished they'd die and burn in hell?

Your next question might be one of "why do you care so much about MS?"
My response to that would be "Why do you care what I think?"

Since you so covertly asked: Because I hate Microsoft.
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I hate how they ripped off the Mac and took credit for it and I hate how they did a half ass job at it and still flooded the world with their crapware. I hate how XP embedded itself as the business standard and how I was forced to buy a PC for work. I hate how Bill Gates being the richest man in the world and can't wait for him to fall. I hate how Apple released the iPod and Microsoft copied them with the Zune. I hate how Apple released the iPhone and MS copied them. App Store: Copped. iPad: Copied. I hate how they can't come up anything original. I think their scum and they should be exterminated.

What?

You also hate the company which first came out with tablets, the first company to put an operating system, based on good technology on a phone, the company which made a computer in the house quite affordable, the company which licensed tools for use in iOS software.
 
Apple uses the file extension .app for applications. Microsoft uses .exe for programs. Perhaps Microsoft should concentrate their efforts, and launch "The Exe Store."
 
The way I see it is that it has always been called applications (app for short) in OS X and programs in Windows so take a hike MS.

Where did you get that from? Is this why everybody in the industry has always spoken, for example, about "a suite of office applications" (aka "Office Suite") since the early days of word processing and spread sheet software?

"Application software" or "Applications" have been a standard term in IT since the early days of this industry, defining "programs" for a specific purpose. And the word "program" stands for a set of instructions that are being executed to manipulate data; it's just another standard term in the industry. Heck, even your washing machine and your dish washer at home have different "programs".
 
Apple uses the file extension .app for applications. Microsoft uses .exe for programs. Perhaps Microsoft should concentrate their efforts, and launch "The Exe Store."

WP7 uses XAP. Well done for being misinformed.
 
App Store

They shouldn't trademark the term App Store. It is short for Application and that is used all over the web and in the IT industry as a shortened version of the word.

I'll admit I don't have an iphone but I don't have a Windows phone either but I do refer to the Android market as an app store generally (it's a store where I buy apps!) and when it becomes an everyday occurance like that it's a generic term and should not be trademarked.

I think Apple are too controlling. I possess an iMac but I have to use Wndows on it because I cannot change system font size. While I would love to be a 'fan boy' Apple won't let me! They seem to have contempt for their customers to some extent.

I sincerely hope they lose this one- just for the sake of fairness.
 
Did you miss the part where I wished they'd die and burn in hell?

Your next question might be one of "why do you care so much about MS?"
My response to that would be "Why do you care what I think?"

Since you so covertly asked: Because I hate Microsoft.
mad.gif

I hate how they ripped off the Mac and took credit for it and I hate how they did a half ass job at it and still flooded the world with their crapware. I hate how XP embedded itself as the business standard and how I was forced to buy a PC for work. I hate how Bill Gates being the richest man in the world and can't wait for him to fall. I hate how Apple released the iPod and Microsoft copied them with the Zune. I hate how Apple released the iPhone and MS copied them. App Store: Copped. iPad: Copied. I hate how they can't come up anything original. I think their scum and they should be exterminated.

What?

Aehmm .. yes .. nevermind.

T.
 
I is known that Microsoft has referred to Applications as "Apps"...Longer than Apple.

Windows Mobile 6.5 has had times when they refer to them as "App's" too

So by the same logic Apple is using,...

Microsoft should be allowed to block Apple from using the term "App" All together !!

Now don't go all fanboy on me guys,....

I'm just pointing out a fact.

It is known?

What is known is that MSFT "applications" have been referred to as "programs", not applications by the masses. Descriptively in Windows, they are listed as "Applications", but the common term used is "programs", or when describing a file, they would be called "EXE's".

"App" is shortened from "Application", which has been Apple's description of their programs. However, the term "App" became popularized as slang, as a cool, shorthand way of saying "Application", which coincides with the release of the iPhone where the term "App" became mainstream instead of "Application"

The argument, however, is not the term App, but the descriptor as "App Store", which had not been used or popularized before Apple's usage. Palm/3Com had Handango as their store, not App Store. Windows uses the term Marketplace as their store, not "App Store". As a generic term "App Store", it's use doesn't look to be used all too often, except in the case of Apple.
 
It is known?

What is known is that MSFT "applications" have been referred to as "programs", not applications by the masses. Descriptively in Windows, they are listed as "Applications", but the common term used is "programs", or when describing a file, they would be called "EXE's".

"App" is shortened from "Application", which has been Apple's description of their programs.

Maybe in a very narrow Apple centric world view. I wrote Web Apps (shortened form of Web Application) back in the 90s using mod_perl on Linux systems with a PostgreSQL database backend. We referred to them as Web Apps back then.

The term "Killer app" is an industry oldie. "The PC become a household name thanks to Lotus 123, its killer app".

The fact is, Application has been around far longer than Apple have used it.
 
Marx Brothers

When Warner Bros. learned that the Marx Brothers were making a movie called "A Night in Casablanca," they threatened to sue them - saying that they considered it an infringement on their movie "Casablanca." The Marx Brothers responded that if Warner Bros. sued them, they would counter-sue over Warner's use of the word Brothers.

Warner's suit was quickly dropped.
 
This is M$'s feeble attempt to stay relevant in the mobile space. They came late to the party and were beaten in every sense in of the word to create a viable and accepted mobile ecosystem. Reminds me of the sore losers in sports when I was a kid.
 
So "App Store" is a generic name, whereas "Windows" isn't?

No one said that. App Store is a descriptive term that describes the actual function of the service it is being used as a mark for. Windows is a term that describes one of the elements used in the product it is used as a mark for.

Using the "But Officer, everyone else was speeding too!" defense is what is hilarious.
 
No one said that. App Store is a descriptive term that describes the actual function of the service it is being used as a mark for. Windows is a term that describes one of the elements used in the product it is used as a mark for.

*cough* SQL Server *cough*
 
This is M$'s feeble attempt to stay relevant in the mobile space. They came late to the party and were beaten in every sense in of the word to create a viable and accepted mobile ecosystem. Reminds me of the sore losers in sports when I was a kid.

They entered the ecosystem before Apple.
 
*cough* SQL Server *cough*

And why do you think I wouldn't agree with that ? Too bad no one objected when Microsoft registered it and the USPTO asked for objections. They had to go through the same process Apple is going through right now. Apple just happened to bump into some opposition.

I think it might have something to do with the fact that most "SQL database" vendors are trying to not put so much emphasis on the SQL part though, preferring to refer to their products as RDBMS' instead of plain SQL Servers. Because let's face it, the daemon isn't serving SQL per say, it's serving data, which is stored and managed in a relational form. Relational DataBase Management System makes more sense.

But yes, "SQL Server" was as worthy of objections as "App store" is. Again, the "But Officer, everyone else was speeding too!" defense is laughable.
 
Did you miss the part where I wished they'd die and burn in hell?

Your next question might be one of "why do you care so much about MS?"
My response to that would be "Why do you care what I think?"

Since you so covertly asked: Because I hate Microsoft.
mad.gif

I hate how they ripped off the Mac and took credit for it and I hate how they did a half ass job at it and still flooded the world with their crapware. I hate how XP embedded itself as the business standard and how I was forced to buy a PC for work. I hate how Bill Gates being the richest man in the world and can't wait for him to fall. I hate how Apple released the iPod and Microsoft copied them with the Zune. I hate how Apple released the iPhone and MS copied them. App Store: Copped. iPad: Copied. I hate how they can't come up anything original. I think their scum and they should be exterminated.

What?

How, such hate for a company. Actually, MS stole from Apple and Apple stole from Xerox. Immitation is the standard business model for everyone. And applications like Office 2010 are far from "crapware".

By the way, PocketPC Windows Mobile phones were out long before iPhone, so Apple copied Microsoft.

Bill Gates has spent much of his time the last few years giving away his fortune. I like to spend my time NOT wishing other people would fail. Its pretty spiteful.

As far as Windows vs Macs in the Enterprise goes, Apple has had many opportunities to get in on the busness world, but their OS still lags far behind in scalable enterprise features. There's nothing stopping Apple from getting in on that action, but they do not seem interested.
 
Microsoft should name their store the Exe(cutioner) Store, Apple uses the .app format MS uses .exe :p

People, stop saying that. First it's not true. .EXEs and .APPs are not the same thing at all for one thing, and this is in relation to the iOS platform which doesn't even use the .APP extension, it uses .IPA.

Now, as for ".app", you people have to realise that there is a difference between an "App" bundle (Application) and an Executable file. Open your Terminal (yes, don't be scared) and go to your /Applications folder on your Mac. Do an ls. You see a bunch of filenames with the .app extension right ? Well, wrong.

Those aren't files in a branch vs leaf kind of way. Those are directories. That's right, add the -ald parameters to ls now. Let's see what we get :

Code:
$ ls -ald Chess.app
drwxr-xr-x  3 root  wheel  102 26 Jan  2010 Chess.app

Time for some Unix lessons for some posters here. Let's take the first entry in that listing, drwxr-xr-x. What does this mean ? I'm not going to explain it all, just the first letter, the "d". The first character in that string represents the type of filesystem entry for the listed resource. In this case, "d" refers to a directory (it could be "c" for a character device, "b" for a block device or just "-" for a plain leaf file). The .app is not an executable file, it's a directory. You can even cd into it to see what it contains or run the "file" command to confirm what I just told you :

Code:
$ file Chess.app
Chess.app: directory
$ cd Chess.app/
$ ls
Contents

Basically, ".app" bundles are that, bundles. The "Executable" is found much deeper in that directory hierarchy and has no extension at all (extensions are very DOS based ways of managing file types after all) :

Code:
$ cd Chess.app/Contents/MacOS/
$ ls
Chess
$ file Chess 
Chess: Mach-O fat file with 2 architectures

The Mach-O fat file is an executable and this is what is akin to Microsoft's .EXE files.

And this is where in computer science we differentiate a little between Applications and executables. Applications are basically a whole, executables are a part. Applications are a set of executable code, data, interfaces, models. Executables or programs are just a bunch of instructions that are executed to manipulate this data. An Application might contain a bunch of executables run in a certain pattern to manipulate and present data to the user, it might just be a lonely executable that takes input and presents output.

These terms have been in use for the longest term in the industry. Some of you posters that came into "Computers" recently and with Macs being your only known platform (at least, from the way some of you post, it seems that way) should really refrain from trying to make comments on these things before you get a deeper understanding of what is going on here.

EDIT : Let's keep going a bit here to show you how all the ".app" is just Finder based magic, let's "create" an Application using no code and no compiler and just Unix filesystem manipulation commands :

Code:
$ cd /Applications/
$ mkdir My.app
$ ls -ald My.app
drwxr-xr-x  2 redk  admin  68  2 Mar 09:56 My.app
$ cd My.app/
$ mkdir Contents
$ cd Contents/
$ mkdir MacOS
$ cd MacOS/
$ touch My
$ chmod 755 My

What did we do here ? We basically created the skeleton for an App bundle and made the last file executable by setting its permission (though it's an empty file). Now, did we fool Finder into thinking this bunch of directory and lone empty file is an App bundle ? Well, see the 2nd attachment. Yes, we did. Check out the dialog that pops up if we double click on it, in the 1st attachment.

We did create an "App". A .app that is. .app is not an executable file format, it's just a bunch of directories that make up an application, which might contain 1 or many executables, data, interfaces, models, etc.. Point made, anyone saying Apple has .app whereas Microsoft has .exe is frankly clueless on the inner workings of OS X and of Computer Science in general.
 

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Using the "But Officer, everyone else was speeding too!" defense is what is hilarious.

Normally yes, but a lot of legal decisions are based on precedent.

The term application have been used for years. Originally used to differentiate application software from system software.

Basically, ".app" bundles are that, bundles. The "Executable" is found much deeper in that directory hierarchy and has no extension at all (extensions are very DOS based ways of managing file types after all) :
Apple should call it the x-bit on store.
 
Normally yes, but a lot of legal decisions are based on precedent.

The "But Officer, everyone else was speeding too!" defense is not based on precedent, it's based on the "everyone else is breaking the law, why are you stopping me ?" principle which I can guarantee would never hold up in court.

Did anyone object to the Windows trademark based on genericity or the descriptive nature and Microsoft won when the USPTO tried the case ? No ? Then it's not a legal precedent and Apple will need a better defense than that in order to prove they legitimately own the "App Store" mark.

Which is going to be daunting since the Media is using "App Store" to describe Stores that sell Apps, which is quite logical (see attachment).

The fact that people here think "App Store" is associated with Apple is just a side effect of most of the community here being too "Apple centric" for their own good.
 

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