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You last three words…… so sick of people saying they’re more productive at home. Yeah with your own life. Rarely with actual work.

Get ready for your pay cuts folks!!

I actually am way more productive at home. I have stats that show it. Instead of my 1.5 hour commute, I occasionally work extra. I am not distracted by the person next to me chatting about the football game last night while I try to work.
 
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Sounds like a lot of businesses just want to micro manage people. You don’t need to hover over someone’s shoulder to make sure they work. Did they do the job or not?
It sounds like many businesses want people to come back because working with people side-by-side is more efficient and better for the company as a general statement based on my experience.
 
It sounds like many businesses want people to come back because working with people side-by-side is more efficient and better for the company as a general statement based on my experience.

Then they need to invest in the right tools. We have a lot of digital conferencing tools (digital whiteboards, flow diagrams and more). It was actually an improvement to our efficiency. Less football chatter and more business chatter going on. That’s efficient. Used to be about 30 minutes every meeting discussing non work related things.
 
Sounds like a lot of businesses just want to micro manage people. You don’t need to hover over someone’s shoulder to make sure they work. Did they do the job or not?
Agreed, but that seems to be a problem that needs to be weeded out in general. Micro managers will micromanage whether you’re at home or in the office.
 
Then they need to invest in the right tools. We have a lot of digital conferencing tools (digital whiteboards, flow diagrams and more). It was actually an improvement to our efficiency. Less football chatter and more business chatter going on. That’s efficient. Used to be about 30 minutes every meeting discussing non work related things.
The right tools make the best out of a terrible situation. Removing the pandemic as an obstacle, in person collaboration as a matter of what ones daily job is far and away better than digital tools.
 
Many companies have essential workers going in and companies have policies that deal with how this is to be managed. Does one think that Apple Park has a daily occupancy rate of 0 people? Apple stores are a retail location and the policies should be at least in line with other retailers in the same area.

You can always skip past the posts that you are not interested in.
“Apple stores are a retail location and the policies should be at least in line with other retailers in the same area.”

I’d love to see this happen to your own business / retail store in the same area with COVID-19 running wild in the streets.

Think before you shoot your mouth off.
 
“Apple stores are a retail location and the policies should be at least in line with other retailers in the same area.”

I’d love to see this happen to your own business / retail store in the same area with COVID-19 running wild in the streets.

Think before you shoot your mouth off.
I'm not sure where the difficulty is here, but Apple policies for their corporate location and store locations should minimally be inline with local policies. Apple (and other retailers) are of course free to have their own policies that at the very least meet local policies.

edit: “my business” is open as people are coming into the office.
 
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Which means we would be living in a plastic bubble forever. Covid is NOT GOING AWAY. Just like influenza, the common cold, and other maladies, you need to live with it. Welcome to Planet Earth.

MOVE ON.
Pretty much this. The people calling for more lockdowns just have something wrong in their brains at this point - but that’s understandable, given that the entire global population has been treated like inmates in the prison system.
 
I will never understand how Americans handling this pandemic lol.
Yes you afraid of the virus but you came up with millions of conspiracies, refuse to face-covering and so on.
Yes you afraid of the potential of getting infected by going to workplaces but you have no problem of going to parties.
The messaging/actions by the policy makers is a real problem. For example, here in California we had Governor Newsom virtue signaling the importance of masks and social distancing. Then in December when Covid was getting pretty bad here, he was caught to be having dinner at an expensive restaurant sitting shoulder to shoulder with doctors with no masks or any social distancing. It's no wonder people don't believe a thing that comes out of these people's mouths.

I've gotten my two shots and I have already decided that I am NOT getting the third booster shot that they are going to recommend 8 months after the second shot because I was told to follow the rules and get vaccinated so I can go back to not wearing a mask in public places. And then what happened? One month in to mask mandates being lifted, here we go again. I don't believe anything anymore.
 
The messaging/actions by the policy makers is a real problem. For example, here in California we had Governor Newsom virtue signaling the importance of masks and social distancing. Then in December when Covid was getting pretty bad here, he was caught to be having dinner at an expensive restaurant sitting shoulder to shoulder with doctors with no masks or any social distancing. It's no wonder people don't believe a thing that comes out of these people's mouths.

I've gotten my two shots and I have already decided that I am NOT getting the third booster shot that they are going to recommend 8 months after the second shot because I was told to follow the rules and get vaccinated so I can go back to not wearing a mask in public places. And then what happened? One month in to mask mandates being lifted, here we go again. I don't believe anything anymore.

I’ll get the booster, but I’m sick of mask ********. Come March 2022, it will have been two years and I’ve had enough. I will not wear a mask and “social distance” for the rest of my life. People need to get vaccinated, and move on with life, and that includes asses back in offices (or take pay cuts up to 25%, which large tech companies have said they are going to implement and some people said they were willing to take the pay cut.)
 
I’ll get the booster, but I’m sick of mask ********. Come March 2022, it will have been two years and I’ve had enough. I will not wear a mask and “social distance” for the rest of my life. People need to get vaccinated, and move on with life, and that includes asses back in offices (or take pay cuts up to 25%, which large tech companies have said they are going to implement and some people said they were willing to take the pay cut.)
Trust me, I’ve had enough since 6 months ago. I own a business and run it all on my own now with 0 employees. I don’t require masks in my store nor do I wear one anymore.
 
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Trust me, I’ve had enough since 6 months ago. I own a business and run it all on my own now with 0 employees. I don’t require masks in my store nor do I wear one anymore.

I am fully vaccinated and don’t wear a mask anymore either. I didn’t get vaccinated for nothing. And don’t give me this ******** about “other people”. ”Other People” need to get their asses vaccinated. If they refuse, then they accept responsibility for the consequences if they get severely sick, or die. They made their choice.
 
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I agree 1000% with this. If Apple is that concerned about the safety of their employees at their headquarters, then they should be just as concerned about the safety of their employees in their retail stores and should not be bending the rules on this end. And by the way, there is something out there called “online shopping”. Perhaps if people decided to try this out for themselves they could buy something called ‘common sense’ and not take up any more valuable space on these forums with their diatribe.

Online shopping is really bad for the environment in the long run. Hell, even in the short run.
 
As a non-U.S citizen, I can’t imagine how unbelievably complicated/difficult it must be to control the virus in such a large territory. The EU seems to be doing well by virtue of smaller countries, having the vaccine quicker and vaccine education.
The problem isn't the size of the US, the problem is having a third of the population who either believe in conspiracy theories instead of science, or who find it politically advantageous to side with those who don't believe in science. There are other large countries that aren't having the problems with covid that we're having. It's frustrating as all hell. The anti-science folks are just prolonging the pandemic, breeding new more virulent strains of covid, and getting more people killed.
 
The problem isn't the size of the US, the problem is having a third of the population who either believe in conspiracy theories instead of science, or who find it politically advantageous to side with those who don't believe in science. There are other large countries that aren't having the problems with covid that we're having. It's frustrating as all hell. The anti-science folks are just prolonging the pandemic, breeding new more virulent strains of covid, and getting more people killed.
Out of interest, what has spurred the conspiracy theories? I figured the science has been very clear so far.
 
Just get vaccinated and get on with it ffs. In the UK we’re at almost 90% vax and everything is back to normal.

Back to normal in the UK? Sorry, but the WHO’s stats are anything but:

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Source: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/gb
 
Lockdowns were put in place so hospitals and especially ICUs weren't overwelmed due to the sick.

In highly vaccinated countries, case count doesn't matter as much as hospitalizations. People can be sick at home and as long as hospitals aren't overwhelmed and essential services can still operate, there should be no need for further lockdowns. The majority of people who find their way into hospitals and on ventilators are the unvaccinated.




Back to normal in the UK? Sorry, but the WHO’s stats are anything but:

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Source: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/gb
 
Just did, not a very sunny outlook there either:

Yeah - that's why I replied that to the smug poster from the UK.
I don't see a great solution: effective engineering work is still dependent on face-to-face meetings - not to mention time in the lab - whereas vaccination isn't turning out to be the panacea that was hoped - at least not w.r.t. infections.
 
Yeah - that's why I replied that to the smug poster from the UK.
I don't see a great solution: effective engineering work is still dependent on face-to-face meetings - not to mention time in the lab - whereas vaccination isn't turning out to be the panacea that was hoped - at least not w.r.t. infections.
What are “W.R.T Infections?”.

Also, there is no “panacea”. There never will be a “panacea”. Covid is here to stay (wanna be pissed about that? Be pissed at China). People need to accept it and live with it. Just like influenza. Eventually the virus will mutate so many times, it will become less virulent, and be on the same level as the flu, but, that will happen over time. In the meantime, I need to go on with life, because I’m not living this way for God knows how many years/decades. Nope.
 
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Out of interest, what has spurred the conspiracy theories? I figured the science has been very clear so far.
It's a combination of things, and it's difficult to think of / list all of them. People who never learned how to think critically (a failing of our underfunded school system), many of whom are aggressively anti-intellectual. People who feel like they have little control or understanding of the enormity of the modern world and grab onto simple (but tragically wrong) answers for comfort. People who think an evening of random googling makes them just as knowledgeable in various medical subjects as someone who went through many years of medical school (plus it feels good to spend an evening reading junk websites and feel like you know something those stupid doctors don't). People who get their "news" from random things they read on facebook instead of from accredited journalists. People who have been told for many years, by the leaders they've chosen to follow, "don't believe anyone else but me!" (you've heard the phrase "fake news" used - often to mean "news that's true, but inconvenient or embarrassing for the person calling it fake, so don't listen") - when said leaders then tell them, say, "don't get vaccinated! Bill Gates put microchips in it!", they immediately believe this wholeheartedly rather than putting any critical thinking into it. There's also a very strong tribal mentality, "everything my side says is automatically right and good, everything your side says is automatically wrong and bad" - so if one of theirs says something mean (and blatantly incorrect) to the nation's most knowledgeable epidemiologist, then, "hurrah for our team."

As an example, one conspiracy theory going around lately has been that "President Biden, on such and such a date, is going to round up anyone who isn't vaccinated and put them in camps." Well, if he had either the authority or desire to do this, don't you think it'd be a whole lot more useful, and less work, to just round them up, forcibly vaccinate them, and then let them go? But being put in camps sounds more scary - it plays into their fears more - so that's what the people starting the rumors go with. There is political power, and money, to be reaped, by keeping people fearful. And there is a certain segment of the population who are psychologically predisposed to be fearful - it's almost as if they are more comfortable when they're afraid and/or being vigilant about something (this also explains some of our country's over-the-top fascination with guns). And there are, unfortunately, some individuals who have a large audience and no morals, who are all too willing to use those people's fears for their benefit, either financially or politically.
 
It's a combination of things, and it's difficult to think of / list all of them. People who never learned how to think critically (a failing of our underfunded school system), many of whom are aggressively anti-intellectual. People who feel like they have little control or understanding of the enormity of the modern world and grab onto simple (but tragically wrong) answers for comfort. People who think an evening of random googling makes them just as knowledgeable in various medical subjects as someone who went through many years of medical school (plus it feels good to spend an evening reading junk websites and feel like you know something those stupid doctors don't). People who get their "news" from random things they read on facebook instead of from accredited journalists. People who have been told for many years, by the leaders they've chosen to follow, "don't believe anyone else but me!" (you've heard the phrase "fake news" used - often to mean "news that's true, but inconvenient or embarrassing for the person calling it fake, so don't listen") - when said leaders then tell them, say, "don't get vaccinated! Bill Gates put microchips in it!", they immediately believe this wholeheartedly rather than putting any critical thinking into it. There's also a very strong tribal mentality, "everything my side says is automatically right and good, everything your side says is automatically wrong and bad" - so if one of theirs says something mean (and blatantly incorrect) to the nation's most knowledgeable epidemiologist, then, "hurrah for our team."

As an example, one conspiracy theory going around lately has been that "President Biden, on such and such a date, is going to round up anyone who isn't vaccinated and put them in camps." Well, if he had either the authority or desire to do this, don't you think it'd be a whole lot more useful, and less work, to just round them up, forcibly vaccinate them, and then let them go? But being put in camps sounds more scary - it plays into their fears more - so that's what the people starting the rumors go with. There is political power, and money, to be reaped, by keeping people fearful. And there is a certain segment of the population who are psychologically predisposed to be fearful - it's almost as if they are more comfortable when they're afraid and/or being vigilant about something (this also explains some of our country's over-the-top fascination with guns). And there are, unfortunately, some individuals who have a large audience and no morals, who are all too willing to use those people's fears for their benefit, either financially or politically.
That’s fascinating. Thank you for taking the time to share those thoughts :)
 
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