I hear you on that one. I’ll happily stay on iOS 14.1 for right now. A few more months won’t hurt me since I’ve been using it since launch day with my 12 Pro Max.
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I hear you on that one. I’ll happily stay on iOS 14.1 for right now. A few more months won’t hurt me since I’ve been using it since launch day with my 12 Pro Max.
I am sure we are not the only ones. I have a number of people who follow my lead on this also. I am not even opposed to straight Android, like a Samsung, with steps taken to keep Google out of a lot of it. At least you know what you're getting without a lot of empty promises. Going to try a Synology NAS cloud server solution, which supposedly has many of the same features as iCloud, Photos, and Dropbox. We'll see.
THIS!! This is the money quote right there. Seventeen pages in, and finally brilliant, irrefutable logic is evident. And don't think that it will necessarily be bad old China that forces the issue. It could happen in the U.S. just as easily. The Department of Justice has been hungering for a back door, lo, these many years.
Yup. And if Apple can be forced to even adjust their policy on in app store payments by local laws (where Apple was so adamant about their original policy), Apple can be easily forced to bend over for this as well. It will be simply a matter of time until governments of the world caught up.
The key is to not have such system to begin with, just like ios14 and older.
If Apple could say to countries like China to pound sound before, why couldn't they tell them to pound sand now? -- I don't understand the "no excuse" argument --- is it because the technology exists that is able to match things? Local scanning and semantically tagging of all your data already happens, and it would be an easy thing to include semantic tags in payload to a government that is requiring it of you (if you're willing to cooperate with their demands).
As you've pointed out, China already hosts iCloud data for Chinese citizens, so they already can scan everything there --- why would they need Apple to do it for them?
"All China/totalitarian governments have to do is force/demand Apple add additional hashes."
You're missing the point. They can insert additional hashes all they want (presuming Apple concedes), but the system wouldn't match it unless another jurisdiction also added those hashes. Further, you would need to have exact matches of the hashed images that they (and another likely non-cooperative jurisdiction) added.
You assume it "never leaves the device" because of Apples rhetoric on the subject. If you'd believe that they already aren't surveilling you now, then why are their assertions about this technology not given the same grain-of-salt?
it has nothing to do with kiddie porn and everything to do with Apple thinking it can scan private property and become Mr f**king policeman.
This is NOT how you reliably detect kiddie porn.
This is NOT how you reliably detect kiddie porn.
They should probably also not have systems to semantically tag everything else on your phone. That would be key to avoiding important (and much more likely) surveillance vectors.
The current system has no in device scanning to be transmitted to the cloud. All metada scans on current iPhones are local only. The server side scanning is only server side. This new system breaks that wall. With local device scanning capable of uploading the matches to the cloud.
And all you are saying are Apple's own policy. We already see how Apple can be forced to change their policy by local laws. Apple's pinky promise holds no ground when they themselves can be forced to allow third party payments for in app purchases, something that Apple was so adamant defending.
Because I agree completely with @ian87w 's logic, to wit, once Apple publicly acknowledge that they have a surveillance system in place they will be open to legal pressure to put it to use for other ends. I can't do anything about whether they may or may not have a secret surveillance system in place now, but I can see increased risk for privacy and security if they go down the path of on-device scanning.
When one actually deep dived into the problem, one will know that this is not the solution. Plenty of experts in the field already said that this system won't do much. Thus it begs the question why Apple is so Gung Ho about it.
So, you would be OK with the police coming into your home anytime, or all the time, just because you "have nothing to feel worried about"? Maybe they could just place an officer in your home permanently just in case you do something wrong. This is exactly WHY the Founders put the 4th Amendment in the Bill of Rights. Just because the government is having Apple do their searching for them doesn't make it any better.
Worse, there will be new abuses to create new content that are not in the database. Meanwhile, Apple thinks all iPhone users are predators.
Do you really know that for a fact, though? Why is it you can trust the current scanning processes, but not the ones Apple’s put in place for CSAM? Who’s to say Apple hasn’t been receiving metadata about your photos this whole time? I mean, people completely trusted Apple with Siri until it came out that people were actually listening in on your conversations, so…
Bingo! You sir, are correct!!! Don't want to hamper any sales during their primetime season. Tim 💩
Let's hope. The thing is, the database is baked into ios15. Until Apple actually announced the removal of the database, I wouldn't trust ios15.
The new "woke" hires at Apple don't think that anyone, especially those lame USERS, have the right to interfere with pushing their agenda. That's the problem here, I think. No "insanely great products," just social justice now.
Yep. That seems to be the reporting. No upgrading for me. Damn, this is going to cost me a lot of time and money...
Each country have their own standards. I'm not going to criticize other countries since my own has bizarre moral laws. The important thing to me is a tech company shouldn't be the moral police for anyone.
Now that I can deal with. That’s a feature I do want them to roll out.
Yeah, afraid so. It's already baked into ios15. All apple needed is to flip the switch.
Good. Why they thought this feature was a good idea in the first place is beyond me. I understand the intent, but we don’t need our own devices self reporting us to law enforcement. There will be bugs and false positives. I don’t need the cops showing up at my doo or even worse, at work assuming I’m a pedo because a programmers in California made an error.
If privacy is your supposed claim to fame and a big reason why you pay the Apple Tax you better offer what I’m paying for. These “features” are the opposite. There’s spyware for sale out there that can pwn your phone by sending you a text message. Apple should focus on fixing that. What if somebody with band intentions uses that to upload images to your phone that you are not aware of? What if your significant other has bad intentions and knows you iPhone password or if you don’t have one and they get their hands on it. What if some random stranger has an opportunity to grab your phone while you don’t have it and decides to mess with you? You don’t think that happens? See the guy who deliberately left a bunch of COVID-19 Pfizer vaccines out of the refrigerator so they’d spoil. There are nut jobs out there.
If you really care about privacy then your phone, nor any service you hawk that integrates with it, should ever self-report anything to the cops. If the police suspect you’re guilty of a crime they need evidence to prove probably cause and then have to go before a judge to get a warrant. This eliminates that important check on government power. How many judges would say no to an arrest warrant if your phone is self-reporting you’re a pedo? Zero. That’s how many.
If privacy is your supposed claim to fame and a big reason why you pay the Apple Tax you better offer what I’m paying for. These “features” are the opposite. There’s spyware for sale out there that can pwn your phone by sending you a text message. Apple should focus on fixing that. What if somebody with band intentions uses that to upload images to your phone that you are not aware of? What if your significant other has bad intentions and knows you iPhone password or if you don’t have one and they get their hands on it. What if some random stranger has an opportunity to grab your phone while you don’t have it and decides to mess with you? You don’t think that happens? See the guy who deliberately left a bunch of COVID-19 Pfizer vaccines out of the refrigerator so they’d spoil. There are nut jobs out there.
If you really care about privacy then your phone, nor any service you hawk that integrates with it, should ever self-report anything to the cops. If the police suspect you’re guilty of a crime they need evidence to prove probably cause and then have to go before a judge to get a warrant. This eliminates that important check on government power. How many judges would say no to an arrest warrant if your phone is self-reporting you’re a pedo? Zero. That’s how many.
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None of that reports to the government, which is what the CSAM stuff does and hence the difference. One is for your personal benefit, the other is to turn you in.