Apple Delays Rollout of Controversial Child Safety Features to Make Improvements

[smoking monkey]

Where i come from, a little drunk driving is not okay.

I'm not disagreeing with the law, I'm saying that you can drink drive and its possible nothing bad will happen, but CP is always bad. That's all I was saying. But I think drink driving is a horrible crime and it's far too prevalent in societies across the world.

So why out of the blue has it become Apple’s obligation to police just this one thing?

I don't disagree with you. I think this is ill-advised by Apple.

Since you are okay with your liberties taken away and living under a police state, you should and probably are okay with that. I am not.

I never said I was okay with what Apple are implementing. I see it as somewhat problematic and a complicated issue.

Knowing this, Lets stick with child porn then. Are you okay if the tv you buy comes with a camera to monitor your room for CP?

It's a known issue that iphones are used to store CP. That is why Apple is doing this. But there is nothing about CP being stored on the walls of your living room, so this example doesn't really make any sense.

My point was not that CP isn’t 100% bad and that it shouldn’t be policed. My point was why are some people okay for random private companies that we buy products from to start policing and get to choose what and how its done.

Apple just aren't doing this out of the blue. There is a reason why they are doing it. The question is, is it right what they are doing?

If you Allow Apple this right, you should be okay with other companies to police what they want and how they want to do it.

No. there are reasons.

As I mentioned, we have police for this. The Police should police and Apple should stick to making computers and phones.

That's a fair and valid point.

 

[ian87w]

Think the other way around: You pay Apple for your phone. So how about you start to inspect Apple finances for -say- tax evasion? You hack into their system and look for financial and tax data in case they violated something. Whenever 30 of your lawyers believe to have found something relevant you call the state prosecutor for tax fraud.
Good intention maybe but Apple would not like it for sure.
(Just fictional for debate I am not claiming Apple does anything wrong concerning taxes)

Haha great idea.
The way Apple is behaving here is like a woke teenager pretending to be a activist. Apple practically assume all their customers to be predators, thus felt justified to implement a mass scanning system. But when their own house practices being scrutinized (eg the app store), they turned ultra defensive.

 

[SmugMaverick]

Pedophiles and sex traffickers everywhere are cheering their victory in swaying the opinion of the cowardly sheep that didn’t understand this useful technology. Apple just got sick of the incessant bleating.

You do realise apple isn’t going to ever love you right?

2 trillion dollar company just got sick of “incessant bleating” did they?

Maybe you should read things better before mouthing off insults.

 

[Gelam]

I have a conspiracy theory that Apple is doing this as a public stunt, and they do not plan to implement this feature in the first place.

They do it to please the politicians and stuff to gain favor over the epic case about app store monopoly. So that Apple can say, we attempt to do this, and the customers do not like it so we were forced not to implement it. Apple anticipated a huge backlash from customers in the first place.

Kind of like what Epic did with their public stunt on the app store monopoly case, they pre planed the entire scenario. Apple here is planning an entire public stunt scenario to gain an upper hand in the courts and politicians. (And possibly a little bit of customers).

Just a theory.

 

[ian87w]

I'm not so sure it was going to do all that much anyway. If you don't have icloud photos/photo stream turned on, it wasn't going to trigger anything (for now at least). Ps would have just changed phones. Like I said previously, it would be interesting to see the sales figures for Android phones in Hollywood once this is introduced.

Experts in the field already indicated that this won't really do much. And yet there is a mass scanning system going to be implemented worldwide on a most personal device, a smartphone.

 

[ian87w]

You do realise apple isn’t going to ever love you right?

2 trillion dollar company just got sick of “incessant bleating” did they?

Maybe you should read things better before mouthing off insults.

It's mind boggling so many people are defending Apple, who assume all their own customers to be predators.

 

[InVinoVeritasty]

Delay? CANCEL!
Apple has completely lost its way.

 

[insoft.uk]

Sending messages child safety part doesn’t have to be delayed as nobody has an issue with that part it’s mainly the iCloud scanning part it’s not clear what is the right approach and some feel it’s too far and it’s is as iCloud photos is basically storing and backing up one’s photos online instead of their own storage like an external HDD or computer so should just be messaging and is optional so don’t see an issue at all if Apple only keeps that feature in iOS 15

 

[ian87w]

Delay? CANCEL!
Apple has completely lost its way.

Apple not only lost its way, it went completely bonkers, seeing all their own premium customers as potential predators.

 

[I7guy]

Apple not only lost its way, it went completely bonkers, seeing all their own premium customers as potential predators.

Don’t think that take is quite the way it is.

 

[Mr_Ed]

What?

You are equating child abuse with being a foreigner?

Come for the pedophiles! Arrest them! But with warrants and due process, not by violating rights of everyone in the process.

I agree with you on due process. To be fair, I don’t think Darth’s comment was equating anything to pedophiles. More of a slippery slope concern. Looks like an adaptation of this:

First They Came - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ericwn]

I'm not so sure it was going to do all that much anyway. If you don't have icloud photos/photo stream turned on, it wasn't going to trigger anything (for now at least). Ps would have just changed phones. Like I said previously, it would be interesting to see the sales figures for Android phones in Hollywood once this is introduced.

Is Hollywood any better or worse with child abuse in your opinion?

 

[ian87w]

Don’t think that take is quite the way it is.

Well, if that’s not the case, then it begs the question why the scanning system and the database is baked into iOS and released worldwide. And Apple even made it clear that they only have one firmware for all iPhones, as such the scanning system is in all iPhones regardless or the region. Wow, as an iPhone user, I actually felt offended. For the premium price, Apple treated me as a potential criminal just because of their own virtue signaling.

 

[ericwn]

Apple is not. NCMEC is the one. Apple is just doing what’s required by the law.

Would that law also allow your landlord into your flat to randomly check your photos?

Or say, if we rent a storage compartment somewhere - does that automatically allow anybody but the tenant access to the facilities if not for maintenance after making an appointment?

If they were adhering a specific law why would they be able to now proclaim they’ll take some more - unspecified - time to figure this out?

Apple played an AirPower joke on their customers’ privacy and will now have to wait it out to avoid more backlash - a common occurrence if one all of a sudden works against their own self-set values and standards.

 

[I7guy]

Well, if that’s not the case, then it begs the question why the scanning system and the database is baked into iOS and released worldwide. And Apple even made it clear that they only have one firmware for all iPhones, as such the scanning system is in all iPhones regardless or the region. Wow, as an iPhone user, I actually felt offended. For the premium price, Apple treated me as a potential criminal just because of their own virtue signaling.

My guess is apple wants to tackle a problem head-on, same as google, Facebook and Microsoft. All doing scanning. All believe guilty until proven innocent.

This isn’t virtue signaling. Virtue signaling is looking good, not doing good.

 

[femike]

Its not about child protection, it all about getting US Gov surveillance software framework on Apple devices and Apple's best bet on getting this accepted, is to use CSAM as the excuse. Apple's multi-million dollar privacy PR campaign, in the attempt to distinguish them from Google Android, is washed down the toilet with this single act.

 

[femike]

Oh God! Don’t just delay it. CANCEL THIS, Apple. Can’t you see… people won’t be ordering the new iPhone 13 if you launch this child safety crap.

Apple must cancel this on-device software.
I certainly will not be ordering it for this reason. Get an iPhone in the future, I'm not sure. I was hoping to get a mac book or mac mini with the updated M1 , but I'm not interested any longer. Been an Apple user for 30 years and I am appalled at Apple's decision to allow on device scanning which can be repurposed in the future unknown to the user.

 

[mw360]

Well, if that’s not the case, then it begs the question why the scanning system and the database is baked into iOS and released worldwide. And Apple even made it clear that they only have one firmware for all iPhones, as such the scanning system is in all iPhones regardless or the region. Wow, as an iPhone user, I actually felt offended. For the premium price, Apple treated me as a potential criminal just because of their own virtue signaling.

You get treated like a potential criminal virtually every time you walk into a busy public space or a private business or get in a car or a train or a plane or watch a movie or make a credit card purchase or attempt to unlock your phone.

 

[femike]

Experts in the field already indicated that this won't really do much. And yet there is a mass scanning system going to be implemented worldwide on a most personal device, a smartphone.

Its not only on the iPhone. Its also includes Apple Watch, iPad, and macs.

 

[ian87w]

You get treated like a potential criminal virtually every time you walk into a busy public space or a private business or get in a car or a train or a plane or watch a movie or make a credit card purchase or attempt to unlock your phone.

When I walk in a public space, the police is not checking the contents of every person's pockets without their consents. When I watch a movie, the police is not checking everybody's phones. When I made a credit card purchase, visa/mastercard is not scanning the content of my PC.

 

[Mercury7]

Although I am feeling a little elated that Apple appears to have gotten the message, it’s a little too early for a victory dance…. On the bright side this is kinda apples MO, they “sometimes” say they are delaying stuff and it just slowly dies on the vine without them having to admit they were wrong. on the dark side…. Over something so serious it was one of those things they should have very publicly apologized for and done a full reversal…. It’s kinda like they still don’t understand we encourage them to do more csam scanning…. Just not on our devices. Forbes says this in the article below but it’s kinda buried in the rehash.

Apple Backtracks On iPhone Photo Scanning—For Now

Apple has suddenly given you a reason to order a new iPhone 13 and rush to install iOS 15...

www.forbes.com

 

[PC_tech]

His stand probably is that a random consumer electronics company should do the police’s work, without being elected or answering to anyone but the dollar, as we’re seeing here.

His stand is it’s Apple and they’ll defend them no matter what…

 

[Mercury7]

Looks like the EFF will stay on top of this https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/...ugh-apple-must-abandon-its-surveillance-plans

 

[mw360]

When I walk in a public space, the police is not checking the contents of every person's pockets without their consents. When I watch a movie, the police is not checking everybody's phones. When I made a credit card purchase, visa/mastercard is not scanning the content of my PC.

And Apple wasn’t going to scan the contents of your phone.

 

[quarkysg]

Apple not only lost its way, it went completely bonkers, seeing all their own premium customers as potential predators.

It is not about you or Apple’s customer. This is a way for Apple to comply to US laws requiring them to report CSAM materials that made it’s way to their servers. This will likely pave the way for E2EE for iCloud Photo.