And why can’t I get a Big Mac at Burger King. Also, I’d like to use my Costco membership at Best Buy.
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Apple Demanded Sales Information on 30,000+ Games From Steam in Ongoing Lawsuit With Epic Games
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Can't they just settle the matter? The information seems very valuable. Maybe Valve can charge Apple 30% of its annual revenue as a developer fee for producing the information. Apple would totally agree. It loves that number!
You are 100% correct on this one. Mobile platforms realized early on that if they cut competition on their own devices they will make a lot more money. Look no further than the Xbox and you'll see that with only Microsoft selling games prices are almost always higher than the same game on PC. That's because there are multiple digital game distribution platforms available on PC and they all compete with one another. Locked ecosystems are NOT done to protect the user.
Apple is a traitor to consumers and other companies. Don't blame Steam for not assisting.
I'd like to respond to your signature:
"No raindrop believes it is responsible for the flood."
It's a great saying, except that it's not true on twitter or in the case of pretty much any boycott.
On Twitter, there's like 5 live humans, and the rest are bots.
And no boycott ever has had the effect desired by the boycotters.
This is by far the lamest reply that comes up. The idea that this is in any way equivalent to app stores is just insane. It would be like if that Costco membership cost the same as an iphone and you had to have a separate membership to every store you shopped at. Most people have only one phone and therefore only one app store and that one store has no competition. Do you really call it competition because someone can spend another $800-$1200 on another phone to save a couple of dollars on an app because to me that logic is insane.
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I’m not sure what to make of this... Valve is an unrelated party and the material requested is seemingly irrelevant to the case. Surely a superficial review on Steam would suffice as to discredit the monopoly argument?
The audacity is insane! Usually I'm on Apple's side but this is just pure insanity. Apple is really either desperate or they are not doing well with the case. Either way, this is not the right approach.
Simply because BurgerKing is a store, just like McDonalds, the AppStore, Epic Store, Steam.
See this more like hmm McDonalds Store not wanting a BurgerKing Store on the same street or region, and the BicMac is Fortnite. If Apple don't want Fortnite in their store, it's totally okay, but then they must accept different stores.
Well, Apple is using public resources(aka. citizens) to build up their imperium, and interlocking business types to naturally force out the competition. These citizens belongs to a country, if Apple wants to keep using these available resources(citizens), they will have to obey and accept the laws of different countries around the world e.g. EU,USA,RU,CN, etc.
It's their free choice to stop selling software and hardware in these countries, but they would have to find a solution for already sold software/hardware anyway, else the next lawsuit would knock on their door.
And that's what I also call a healthy competition:
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Steam doesn't have a monopoly on game distribution on windows.
It past time for the Federal regulators to step in. After decades of using Apple devices I am considering moving back to the PC and Linux world. If enough people did this then Apple would perhaps change its behavior.
Well you can buy a game from Steam or you can go out to the shop and buy a game. Steam as as much of a monopoly as the Apple AppStore and also hits the same point off "Why would you buy elsewhere?". Other stores hasn't lowered costs for consumers, Steam didn't lower costs for consumers but did increase income dramatically for developers.
They should have just asked for the Epic Games and the Unreal-based games, that seems more related.
Edit: Although I guess they could have asked Epic for that too.
Edit: Although I guess they could have asked Epic for that too.
Apple is a public company. Valve is a private one. I don't think you know nearly as much about business law as you think. This subpoena is a joke, as Valve is not even involved in the ongoing action. Apple slaps all gamers in the face again to try to glean data to create another monopoly. Shame.
But it's not a monopoly at all since you agree that you can purchase the games elsewhere. Where can I buy games and apps for my iPhone besides the App store?
Where do you get your understanding of civil procedure? (The issue has nothing to do with “business law,” and whether a company is public or privately owned has nothing to do with the federal rules of civil procedure)
But it won’t happen, because contrary to a vocal minority, most people are quite appreciative of the benefits that apple’s closed model provides the consumer.
If true assume me as 5 years old .
I see
1. subpeona
2. demand (above topic)
Are valve need to go to lawyer or been said as "Contempt Of Court" are it related to state /district law?
Are valve don't entertain "demand" from "Apple" ?
Are valve denied the "subpeona" or 'demand" ?
You also have the freedom to purchase a device that meets your needs, such as access to multiple stores.
Meh. If there's an argument to be made involving Epic's relationship w/ Steam, and Apple WASN'T this thorough, Epic would shrug it all off by saying that Apple didn't have the "whole picture." No argument using incomplete data will survive a court showing.
The way it works is that apple issues the subpoena, and Valve then can choose to comply or can fight it. If they fight it, it’s up to the court to decide. Here’s the rule:
Rule 45. Subpoena
Except epic made an unsubstantiated claim involving valve. Put up, or shut up, you just don’t get to make stuff up
What a bunch of rubbish. To enforce this subpoena would mean I could go make a claim that the US state department paid me millions for work performed. So then the party suing me could then subpoena ALL payments made by the state department to ALL vendors?! Lol
ridiculous. The only disclosure that need be made is that by Epic games. And IF there is a question of veracity then Valve could offer a deposition confirming veracity. And IF records must be procured then Valve could provide those only relevant to Epic’s revenues from their store.
even so Valve can tell both Epic and Apple to pound sand since they are not on trial and likely not obligated to participate in such deliberations. And IF apple wants to claim collusion between the two companies is occurring to stifle their market. Then that’s something to refer out to criminal court. Not appropriate to pursue in civil court as the exact damages cannot be surmised without a conclusive result from a criminal investigation.
Apple’s attorneys are reaching.
ridiculous. The only disclosure that need be made is that by Epic games. And IF there is a question of veracity then Valve could offer a deposition confirming veracity. And IF records must be procured then Valve could provide those only relevant to Epic’s revenues from their store.
even so Valve can tell both Epic and Apple to pound sand since they are not on trial and likely not obligated to participate in such deliberations. And IF apple wants to claim collusion between the two companies is occurring to stifle their market. Then that’s something to refer out to criminal court. Not appropriate to pursue in civil court as the exact damages cannot be surmised without a conclusive result from a criminal investigation.
Apple’s attorneys are reaching.