Apple Demands $1 Billion From Samsung for Design Patent Violations as New Damages Trial Kicks Off

[apolloa]

I have nothing to say to that except that it encourages companies to do illegal things, you know, to live the American Dream

Yeap, Apple included! Meh this case is boring now. Any money given will go straight to the lawyers I suspect.

I think Judge Koh will retire and have repeating nightmares of Apple V Samsung... it’s been her career almost for the last few years!

 

[rjohnstone]

Samsung's entire smartphone business is predicted on ripping off Apple's designs. There was nothing like a keyboard-less, touch full-screen phone with apps before Apple made the iPhone. Apple spent years and a huge amount of their money coming up with a revolutionary design, figuring out how it would work and how to make it. They bet the company on it. It was a huge gamble that everyone said was doomed to failure. Less than a year later Samsung's got their own b-grade phone so closely copied on Apple's designs that they look and behave almost the same. That's what this lawsuit is about. Samsung should design their own damned phone, or else pay Apple for having designed it.

The original iPhone didn't have "apps" like we know them today. It was a very expensive feature phone that couldn't even do MMS messages.
And it wasn't the first touch screen phone.
Samsung got dinged on a basic design element. As such, they should pay for the elements they were found to have infringed.
After all, Apple believes this is how they should be charged for using other people's patents.

 

[RuffyYoshi]

Since then Samsung created a design for the galaxy that is miles ahead of the iPhone or any other smartphone. In my opinion.

 

[reden]

Apple; if you can't innovate, litigate.

Either that or steal, Apple is shameless about that.

You would too if you had the amount of money they have to play with.

 

[Tech198]

When Apple is in a lawsuit... (any lawsuit) that tell me, they always go for the most damaging... because they want to always be ahead things... Its the only reason why they keep pushing their marketing as much as they do.. while claiming "we just want everyone to know"

Regardless of what Apple thinks, components copied are better than seeking damages for someting that is does not apply.

I think this video accurately sums up many people's feeling over this..........

Sorry, what? I was too wound up in enjoying the song.

 

[Constable Odo]

Apple will never see that money. This trial will go on forever. Apple may as well give up at this point.

 

[justiny]

And as said, the US Supreme Court, the highest in the land, agrees with Samsung. So what are you going to say to that?

Samsung was still found to be in violation of Apple’s patents. The Supreme Court only agreed with Samsung that $1 Billion in damages is excessive. Ask for everything under the sun, then Apple will take whatever they’re awarded.

What the justices effectively did was kick the case back down to the lower courts to have a jury decide how those damages will be calculated.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...rt-fight-over-iphone-patent-design/599595002/

 

[Doomtomb]

This again? You realize we are now debating decade old phones here right?

 

[Naraxus]

Apple really has some chutzpah demanding $1 billion from Samsung considering 90% of the iPhone is "borrowed" or outright stolen tech from others

 

[JodyBevan]

I think Apple should demand $1B + interest accrued till date since the original award + Lawyer fees

It is so obvious that Samsung copied from Apple. Not a creative uniqueness in Samsung's product, just blatant copying. When you own a company (as in you put your money and your time into it), and someone else comes along and just copies it and takes away a huge percentage of your potential customer base why should you not go after them and be awarded a substantial award.

Why have patents if they do not protect you from anything?

 

[swingerofbirch]

Tim Cook is trying to top Dr. Evil.

Raised pinky: "1 BILLION dollars . . . "

 

[CartoonCat]

For a long time they said Apple TV was their hobby. Not so. Their real hobby is lawsuits.

 

[zeromeus]

The article said it best

Which is the entire phone. Just look at the document they have on how to copy the iPhone to the t. They need to not only pay the damage based on the device but also PUNITIVE damage due to their willful infringement... to the note of 3 billions.

 

[78Bandit]

I don't think a lot of people read the article. This isn't Apple pushing the issue, it's Samsung. Samsung paid the $500 million to Apple three years ago and now wants most of it back. All Samsung has to do is just drop it and the case will go away.

 

[Plutonius]

Take the average between the two for damages and end it already .

 

[Mirice99]

Cue all the zealots who screech patent troll every time Apple loses a patent lawsuit defending Apple in is this case.

 

[Scooz]

It‘s too easy for a component manufacturer like Samsung to go and rip a design (new setup of components) from a developer.

That‘s exactly what Samsung did in a highly successful fashion over the last few years.

And it‘s exactly what those patents should keep component manufacturers from doing, because of the cost involved im development.

So if they copy enough of that setup to actually make a things that looks a lit like a copy, it‘s a copy of the whole product, and they should pay device-wise. If they just stole one or a few compients that still would im no way replace the uniqueness of the original, they should pay per feature.

The fact that Samsung went that „let‘s just copy it in full, including the UI, and see later on how to make our own“ seems to support the overall uniqueness of the product as well as the act of copying.

Samsung saved their ass by doing so, as
none of their own designs was even close at that time. That they now don‘t want to pay for that „help“ seems understandable but not overly justified.

So, yeah, let it go, Samsung. As others already pointed out...

 

[dilbert99]

I think Apple should demand $1B + interest accrued till date since the original award + Lawyer fees

And should Qualcomm demand the same based on full value of the device, funny how Apple wants it both ways.

I think 28 million Samsung are asking for is too small for blatant copying.
and 1 Billion Apple are asking for is too much.

 

[Mirice99]

It is so obvious that Samsung copied from Apple. Not a creative uniqueness in Samsung's product, just blatant copying. When you own a company (as in you put your money and your time into it), and someone else comes along and just copies it and takes away a huge percentage of your potential customer base why should you not go after them and be awarded a substantial award.

Why have patents if they do not protect you from anything?

So Apple should pay VirneTx for all the patents they openly stole from them right?

 

[826317]

This is beyond asinine. Apple give it up ffs.

Were you also saying that in 2009 when Samsung brought out this phone? You have to understand that Apple set the golden standard at the time with the very first iPhone. The fact that a competitor SO closely copied the design aspect, not only in terms of hardware but also in their software is so blatant. I mean, did we all forget about that 132 page internal PDF that Samsung made out to show employees how to actively copy the iPhone and iOS? https://www.theverge.com/2012/8/8/3227289/samsung-apple-ux-ui-interface-improvement

 

[Mirice99]

It‘s too easy for a component manufacturer like Samsung to go and rip a design (new setup of components) from a developer.

That‘s exactly what Samsung did in a highly successful fashion over the last few years.

And it‘s exactly what those patents should keep component manufacturers from doing, because of the cost involved im development.

So if they copy enough of that setup to actually make a things that looks a lit like a copy, it‘s a copy of the whole product, and they should pay device-wise. If they just stole one or a few compients that still would im no way replace the uniqueness of the original, they should pay per feature.

The fact that Samsung went that „let‘s just copy it in full, including the UI, and see later on how to make our own“ seems to support the overall uniqueness of the product as well as the act of copying.

Samsung saved their ass by doing so, as
none of their own designs was even close at that time. That they now don‘t want to pay for that „help“ seems understandable but not overly justified.

So, yeah, let it go, Samsung. As others already pointed out...

Do you think Apple should pay VirnetX the over half a billion dollars for the patients the court has found they infringed on or is VirneTx just another bully “patent troll” suing Apple?

 

[nylonsteel]

those old phones look so archaic now

 

[apolloa]

Samsung was still found to be in violation of Apple’s patents. The Supreme Court only agreed with Samsung that $1 Billion in damages is excessive. Ask for everything under the sun, then Apple will take whatever they’re awarded.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...rt-fight-over-iphone-patent-design/599595002/

Nope, it was reduced to 599 million then 399 million.

http://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2016/10/11/13241446/samsung-vs-apple-supreme-court-design-patents

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/9to5mac.com/2017/02/07/apple-samsung-lower-courts/amp/

 

[wigby]

Funny how Apple thinks it should be full value of the phone.
For Qualcomm they think their royalty should be based on a component, not price of device; even though their signed a contract that says otherwise.

They want whatever works for them, even if it is contradictory.

When you negotiate anything, you don't offer the most or ask for the least up front. The courtroom proceedings are for damages, not justice.

 

[apolloa]

Do you think Apple should pay VirnetX the over half a billion dollars for the patients the court has found they infringed on or is VirneTx just another bully “patent troll” suing Apple?

Just like Ericsson, apparently, it’s a shame Apple caved in in the last hours before going into the court room. I was looking forward to Ericsson’s lawyers ripping Apple to pieces. Oh well.