Apple Demands $1 Billion From Samsung for Design Patent Violations as New Damages Trial Kicks Off

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Should Apple Pay VirneTx the half a billion dollars they owe after being found guilty of stealing their patents?

Considering that VirneTx was nothing more than a non-practicing patent troll, who won in the notoriously ignorant/complicit/corrupt East Texas District Court, no they shouldn't.

Not even CLOSE to the same thing.
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You're kidding right?

Not at all. Maybe not 3 feet; but 10 for sure.

 

[falainber]

Considering that VirneTx was nothing more than a non-practicing patent troll, who won in the notoriously ignorant/complicit/corrupt East Texas District Court, no they shouldn't.

Not even CLOSE to the same thing.
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Not at all. Maybe not 3 feet; but 10 for sure.

Are practicing patent trolls better than non-practicing ones?

 

[fairuz]

Not at all. Maybe not 3 feet; but 10 for sure.

3 feet is reasonable. I often get them confused while idly glancing around on the subway. UI looks the same too.

 

[Mirice99]

Considering that VirneTx was nothing more than a non-practicing patent troll, who won in the notoriously ignorant/complicit/corrupt East Texas District Court, no they shouldn't.

Not even CLOSE to the same thing.
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Not at all. Maybe not 3 feet; but 10 for sure.

Translation: if Apple sues it’s justified and if they win they should be paid, if Apple is sued and loses the winner is a patent troll and Apple is being screwed...pathetic fanboyism.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Are practicing patent trolls better than non-practicing ones?

A little. At least they TRY to produce something with their Patents.

 

[fairuz]

Translation: if Apple sues it’s justified and if they win they should be paid, if Apple is sued and loses the winner is a patent troll and Apple is being screwed...pathetic fanboyism.

Take a look at VirneTx before you make that accusation

 

[Mirice99]

Take a look at VirneTx before you make that accusation

Thanks for proving my point. When Apple wins they should be paid, when Apple loses it’s an injustice and they got screwed.

 

[bladerunner2000]

And Samsung ISN'T?!?

Gimme a break!

I didn't say anything for or against Samsung. I don't care for the company. I'm not invested in it, I am in Apple though and that's where my priorities are. I just wish Apple wasn't such a scumbag company for the last 8 years otherwise we'd have some decent desktops and laptops from that... and by that I mean ones that didn't have soldered everything inside them.

Samsung? I don't care what they do. I don't buy their products regardless. Why would I care?

 

[Menel]

Funny how Apple thinks it should be full value of the phone.
For Qualcomm they think their royalty should be based on a component, not price of device; even though their signed a contract that says otherwise.

They want whatever works for them, even if it is contradictory.

What you describe seems obvious, as its the basic responsibility to their shareholders. Otherwise, they get sued, and lose even more.

 

[falainber]

A little. At least they TRY to produce something with their Patents.

That's not necessarily the case. Many (most?) Apple patents are not used in their products. Besides Apple once created notorious Rockstar Consortium for the sole purpose of suing other companies using the patents that they acquired from Nortel.

 

[zeromeus]

Take a look at VirneTx before you make that accusation

The best way to become a fool is to argue with one, so stop arguing with one. Comparing a non-practicing patent troll to a real company that actually makes a product and their money is based on the products sold is just idiotic. Why bother arguing with such childish thoughts?

 

[JPLC]

Apple; if you can't innovate, litigate.

Either that or steal, Apple is shameless about that.

I was looking for these words. Thank you.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Translation: if Apple sues it’s justified and if they win they should be paid, if Apple is sued and loses the winner is a patent troll and Apple is being screwed...pathetic fanboyism.

Don't believe me?

Believe these articles. Are all THESE written by "fanboys", too?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirnetX

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...range-case-of-the-patent-trolls-a6880036.html

https://www.patentprogress.org/2016/04/08/virnetx-patent-troll/

https://gizmodo.com/apple-ordered-to-pay-patent-troll-virnetx-502-6-millio-1825164376

...and the list goes on and on and on and...

Try Googling something like:

"virinetx patent troll" (without the quotes of course), and you'll get the idea. Or maybe you won't.

What it amounts to is that pretty much NO ONE could produce ANY networking stuff without running into VirnetX's asinine, OVERLY-BROAD Patents. The Patents should simply have been INVALIDATED as being overly-broad. Apple was sued because they had deep pockets, nothing more.
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I didn't say anything for or against Samsung. I don't care for the company. I'm not invested in it, I am in Apple though and that's where my priorities are. I just wish Apple wasn't such a scumbag company for the last 8 years otherwise we'd have some decent desktops and laptops from that... and by that I mean ones that didn't have soldered everything inside them.

Samsung? I don't care what they do. I don't buy their products regardless. Why would I care?

Way to be off-topic.

End of conversation.

 

[Mirice99]

The best way to become a fool is to argue with one, so stop arguing with one. Comparing a non-practicing patent troll to a real company that actually makes a product and their money is based on the products sold is just idiotic. Why bother arguing with such childish thoughts?

Kinda like arguing facts with fanboys who make their arguments on what benefits Apple rather than facts and reality.

 

[tooltalk]

Do U.S. lawyers get paid a percentage of the verdict? That’s a staggering amount of money being exchanged.

I believe MOFO, the lead lawyers for Apple, get paid something like $550+ per hour, whereas QE, Samsung', about $800+/hour. Yeah, it's a lot of money.
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How do you even pick a juror for this kind of trial? They'd have to eliminate iPhone and Samsung owners to prevent bias. Where would you find a BlackBerry or Nokia phone owners to be unbiased, reasonable, and fair?

Then you also have to account for the fact that Samsung is fighting in Apple's hometown court -- jury bias against foreign companies have been studied before. I just hope that they don't end up with someone like Velvin Hogan this time around.

 

[Mirice99]

Don't believe me?

Believe these articles. Are all THESE written by "fanboys", too?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirnetX

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...range-case-of-the-patent-trolls-a6880036.html

https://www.patentprogress.org/2016/04/08/virnetx-patent-troll/

https://gizmodo.com/apple-ordered-to-pay-patent-troll-virnetx-502-6-millio-1825164376

...and the list goes on and on and on and...

Try Googling something like:

"virinetx patent troll" (without the quotes of course), and you'll get the idea. Or maybe you won't.

What it amounts to is that pretty much NO ONE could produce ANY networking stuff without running into VirnetX's asinine, OVERLY-BROAD Patents. The Patents should simply have been INVALIDATED as being overly-broad. Apple was sued because they had deep pockets, nothing more.
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Way to be off-topic.

End of conversation.

Blah...blah...blah...Apple is always right and deserves to be paid every time 100% of the time....blah...blah...blah...Apple should never pay when found to have STOLEN patents....blah...blah...blah....

 

[Naraxus]

Considering that VirneTx was nothing more than a non-practicing patent troll, who won in the notoriously ignorant/complicit/corrupt East Texas District Court, no they shouldn't.

You really don't know what a patent troll is do you?

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

That's not necessarily the case. Many (most?) Apple patents are not used in their products. Besides Apple once created notorious Rockstar Consortium for the sole purpose of suing other companies using the patents that they acquired from Nortel.

ALL "tech" companies Patent LOTS of stuff they don't use "Just In Case". That's not the point.

It's when a company exists SOLELY to SUE deep-pockets like Apple, NEVER INTENDING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, that it fits the definition of "Patent Troll".

Apple isn't the only owner of Rockstar; and I believe that the main reason was to annoy Google and other Android heavies in retaliation for Android blatantly ripping-off iOS. Not the most laudable of goals; but fairly understandable, given the circumstances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Consortium
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Blah...blah...blah...Apple is always right and deserves to be paid every time 100% of the time....blah...blah...blah...Apple should never pay when found to have STOLEN patents....blah...blah...blah....

Wow. And you accuse ME of having blinders on?!?

 

[radiology]

Apple; if you can't innovate, litigate.

Either that or steal, Apple is shameless about that.

Loved it!

 

[bladerunner2000]

Way to be off-topic.

End of conversation.

Your username checks out. No wonder you checked out of having a rational response.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

You really don't know what a patent troll is do you?

Yes, yes I do.

Show me ONE thing VirneTx has actually PRODUCED, EXCEPT litigation.
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Your username checks out. No wonder you checked out of having a rational response.

At least my posts are on-topic, and not just an anti-Apple screed.

 

[Naraxus]

Yes, yes I do.

Then stop before you make yourself look even more foolish than you already have. VirenTx was not a patent troll. Apple set up a shell corporation the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Consortium which is the very definition of a patent troll.

 

[tooltalk]

Samsung should triple the price for the displays.

I guess it's difficult to say no when your main competitor comes to you begging for the AMOLED displays with a boatload of money.

 

[tooloud10]

Samsung should triple the price for the displays.

That would be incredibly foolish of them.

 

[neutralguy]

Samsung should threaten Apple: drop the lawsuit, otherwise no display panel for you!
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I guess it's difficult to say no when your main competitor comes to you begging for the AMOLED displays with a boatload of money.

But didn't Samsung cut back on production?