Apple Denied Permission to Appeal UK App Store Ruling

[poppy10]

Apple makes a lot more money on the App Store than they do on selling phones, tablets and macs. Now if countries are going to force Apple to ONLY cover cost on the App Store this will do 3 things:

1. It will increase the price of the developer license. (99/year)
2. It will force free app publishers to pay a listing / core technology fee for any apps in the store.
3. It will increase the price of apps in the store because of this.

So in the end the consumer will be the ones paying this fine Apple is going to get by paying increased prices.

If apple increases prices in their app store to maintain their egregious profit margins at the expense of consumers, then consumers will be more likely to instead install apps from competing app stores that charge lower prices. That's the beauty of competition and free markets

 

[delsoul]

This seems to be a worldwide trend.

They’re all hurting for money. It’s trendy to go after the big, bad companies to get some money out of them. The EU knows all about this. The UK is finally catching on.

 

[MajorFubar]

It's pretty Buch the UK shaking down a foreign company because, well, the UK has squat in tech. So they basically feel they want Apple to pay more for doing business in their country. That Apple has a monopoly on their product is ridiculous logic. Why should only Ford make Fords then? And last I checked Playstation and Xbox control their stores. There is no logic, just greed.

And yet this tiny little overpopulated island with 70 million residents with "squat in tech" will do its utmost best to take-on industry bullies like Apple, to stop them from r@ping independent app-developers with piss-poor terms and conditions and the prohibition of alternative app-stores. And the precident we'll set by succeeding along with the EU will probably benefit all of you in the long-run.
You're f***ing welcome. 👍

(EDIT : Oh and we invented ARM architecture, and the World Wide Web.)

 

[SanderEvers]

If apple increases prices in their app store to maintain their egregious profit margins at the expense of consumers, then consumers will be more likely to instead install apps from competing app stores that charge lower prices. That's the beauty of competition and free markets

I'm not talking about Apple increasing their prices. That's actually my point.

Most Apple apps are free anyway. No, I'm talking about third party apps becoming more expensive because of this. This will also cause most free apps to become either paid or with increased amounts of ads.

 

[I7guy]

And yet this tiny little overpopulated island with 70 million residents with "squat in tech" will do its utmost best to take-on industry bullies like Apple, to stop them from r@ping independent app-developers with piss-poor terms and conditions and the prohibition of alternative app-stores. And the precident we'll set by succeeding along with the EU will probably benefit all of you in the long-run.
You're f***ing welcome. 👍View attachment 2579406

(EDIT : Oh and we invented ARM architecture, and the World Wide Web.)

Along with over regulation, over taxation, over surveillance.

 

[Ethosik]

Hyperbolic statement for humorous intent and to make a point: England has deviated significantly from its initial establishment as a monarchy. Seeing as it did not initially intend to turn matters of commerce over to the mere commoners who constitute the CAT, the tribunal should be abolished for violating the monarchy's original intent.

Things change. In 2008, Apps were extremely limited. If we are going to appeal to Jobs' original intent, then apps cannot access bluetooth, NFC, the camera, music, private APIs, background processes, no duplication of Apple's built-in functions, notifications, game engines, in-app purchases, etc.

In short, it doesn't matter what someone said in 2008 or 1066. That is garbage justification to persuade people emotionally and should have nothing to do with the ruling.

Also that would not fly in today’s age. Regardless if Steve Jobs wants it or not. If the shareholders want them to charge more, Apple will.

 

[MacLawyer]

And yet this tiny little overpopulated island with 70 million residents with "squat in tech" will do its utmost best to take-on industry bullies like Apple, to stop them from r@ping independent app-developers with piss-poor terms and conditions and the prohibition of alternative app-stores. And the precident we'll set by succeeding along with the EU will probably benefit all of you in the long-run.
You're f***ing welcome. 👍View attachment 2579406

(EDIT : Oh and we invented ARM architecture, and the World Wide Web.)

Once upon a time the UK led the aircraft world with the Viscount, Vanguard, VC-10, etc. Britain was a pioneer in computers and coding (they broke engima). Britain had things like Timex Sinclair.

So what happened? Sh****y governments that meddled in innovation. Example, messing around with VC-10 so it was suitable for the Africa - India markets gave the U.S. time to catch up.

Labour was mostly to blame. Their record is dismal (not that the Tories are much better). Now you have another Labour government and what is happening in London is heartbreaking.

 

[msackey]

I don’t know the full story behind this, but I would agree that Apple’s charge of commission and in-app rates is totally excessive. I’ve said this before, years ago.

 

[whatnot]

Now you have another Labour government and what is happening in London is heartbreaking.

oh no, what happened to it? how can we help?

 

[delsoul]

And yet this tiny little overpopulated island with 70 million residents with "squat in tech" will do its utmost best to take-on industry bullies like Apple, to stop them from r@ping independent app-developers with piss-poor terms and conditions and the prohibition of alternative app-stores. And the precident we'll set by succeeding along with the EU will probably benefit all of you in the long-run.
You're f***ing welcome. 👍View attachment 2579406

(EDIT : Oh and we invented ARM architecture, and the World Wide Web.)

And once upon a time, the British Empire controlled 35.5 million km² – 146 times the UK’s own size…now? It’s reduced to nothing more than a locale 40x smaller than the United States. You also invented Lucas Electrics. That’s not something to be proud of 👏

 

[whatnot]

Along with over regulation, over taxation, over surveillance.

facts, but to really get the hustle culture going, you need to have more guns than people first.

 

[MacLawyer]

And yet this tiny little overpopulated island with 70 million residents with "squat in tech" will do its utmost best to take-on industry bullies like Apple, to stop them from r@ping independent app-developers with piss-poor terms and conditions and the prohibition of alternative app-stores. And the precident we'll set by succeeding along with the EU will probably benefit all of you in the long-run.
You're f***ing welcome. 👍View attachment 2579406

(EDIT : Oh and we invented ARM architecture, and the World Wide Web.)

You also broke Enigma, gave us our judicial system and the Common Law. You had rocking jet aircraft in the Fifties before the U.S. (Then your government came in and f***ed it all up.)

And the best thing you gave the world: pubs!!

 

[delsoul]

You also broke Enigma, gave us our judicial system and the Common Law. You had rocking jet aircraft in the Fifties before the U.S. (Then your government came in and f***ed it all up.)

And the best thing you gave the world: pubs!!

I was a little harsh in my previous post, I can’t deny…they did give the world pubs and the breaking of the enigma code! A cup of earl grey is an honorable mention, as well ❤️

 

[East India Company]

This seems to be a worldwide trend.

That’s because it’s not a trend

 

[vantelimus]

US law is based on what a dead man wrote 238 years ago?

It's called the Constitution and was ratified as law 238 years ago. The random mutterings of Steve Jobs carry no weight, except in Great Britain, where Monty Python has accurately portrayed its bureaucrats in many sketches.

 

[vantelimus]

You also invented Lucas Electrics. That’s not something to be proud of 👏

Lucas, the Prince of Darkness and the reason so many older Jaguars got rides on flatbed trucks.

 

[vantelimus]

You also broke Enigma, gave us our judicial system and the Common Law. You had rocking jet aircraft in the Fifties before the U.S. (Then your government came in and f***ed it all up.)

And the best thing you gave the world: pubs!!

The earliest pubs in Britain date back to the 1st to 4th centuries. Archaeological excavations show them to have Roman architecture, Roman tableware, serving counters, and Roman amphorae. So, structurally, materially, and functionally, the first pubs were Roman.

 

[djphat2000]

As this relates to iPhones, I've wondered about Apple selling a "Pro" or "Dev" line of iPhones that specifically has App abilities more akin to Macs...sort of their version of selling a Digital vs Disc PS5.

Being based on the same OS. I would doubt it personally.
Something like that would end up being a new device. While they could do many of the same things. It would be designed for a different use case, and most likely run macOS.
Wish we had holographic screens. 🤣

 

[spazzcat]

I don’t know the full story behind this, but I would agree that Apple’s charge of commission and in-app rates is totally excessive. I’ve said this before, years ago.

They charge the same fess that every platform charges, it still less than what it cost to sell physical games in a store.

 

[MacLawyer]

That’s because it’s not a trend

Apple's lawyers might disagree! 😂

 

[amartinez1660]

"They" will tell you that it's because we need cell phones to live. While we don't need gaming systems of any kind to live in the modern world. However, they fail to mention the fact that the system Apple is using had to come from something. And they based it off of what already existed i.e. physical stores. They also charged "less" than any physical store would charge given the time and even today. 30% is the price it was since inception and never went higher. So this ruling literally makes no sense. Since the price they charged was lower than any other at the time. It also never went up and only went down.

While Steve may have intended to charge only what was needed to keep the store operational. He clearly came to his senses when he delivered the store to the masses and stated pretty darn clearly the 70/30 split. If anyone had an intention to do one thing but then executed something else. Do you get to hold them to the idea they started out with or the one they ended up doing? It's a non-sense argument that was used to prove something that clearly did not happen. And if they did not want to pay the fee. They did not have to engage with Apple to start with. They could have kicked rocks with the handheld flip phones or sidekicks or BlackBerries of the day. And while those phone makers are no more. They could also go to Android and third party stores that live happily there.

And even if I wanted to agree with the court ruling on this. That $1 billion dollars is not all going back to the people that actually paid for apps. How much of it goes to lawyers that have no skin in the game? How much of it goes back to the developers that will claim it as profits they could have made. You would be lucky to see 1/3 of that billion go back to the people that actually spent the extra 30%. So a 1/3rd of a 1/3rd. Thanks...

Well said!
And of course the lawsuit or fines or whatever will get taxed along the way.
And we still haven’t seen where the likes of “EU worldwide fines” go to… to the developers? The “affected” citizens? To right the wrong? Nah, directly to their coffers, convenient.

There’s a sense of irony here… potentially 70% fee out on that Billion. Lawyers and courts with their laws “are charging way too much for their service”. You could say they have a monopoly.