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Odd to see so many people who were defending EU and attacking Apple over unfair App Store practices suddenly come to defend Apple's practices when Elon is attacking Apple. It's just so blatantly obvious objectivity went out the window a long time ago LOL.
Entirely different situation. Why should Apple feature apps that promotes hate speech, conspiracy theories and nazism? Apple should stay far far away.
 
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Great comment.

There is a small difference though.

The EU exists to get a better deal in the European market place for 400 million consumers.

Musk exists to get a better deal for himself, and his noxious far-right views. No one should want him treated fairly.

Great comment.

There is a small error though.

Musk exists to get a better deal for 400 thousand developers.

Searching many different less secure app stores for 1 app is a worse deal for 400 million consumers.
 
Being objective means considering each case separately, instead of saying that because Apple is a jerk in one situation, they must be a jerk in all situations.

No. Deciding if one entity is a jerk is subjective which is not being objective. And if one person is being a jerk (assuming this characterization can be objective) generally, that should have no effect on the current action being discussed at hand.
 
I have an iPhone and Apple Watch myself (which I both love). But I do think APIs for watches, headphones, payment, music etc should be fully open for third parties.

If third parties come up with better products at better prices


A third party can come up with a better phone with api that all watches (open system) can use which will compete against Apple's closed system solution.
 
Always tickles me to see Space Karen simps oblivious to the fact he's never worked an honest day in his life, was born the son of a emerald mine billionaire who gave him money to go buy, as he did not invent, PayPal, Tesla, and bully his was into SpaceX and arguable outside of pushing talented people, of which he is not one of them, into successes and failures. With people who erroneously think Musk is a "genius" (he isn't) the issue isn't that they would willingly let him **** in his mouth, it's that they would pay him a dollar for sloppy seconds.
 
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Nothing at all in common, huh?

Computer technology company builds upon some of its previous industry-leading products in order to build a new operating system platform, bringing technological improvements into the mainstream and building a strong third-party "ecosystem" in the process. Through aggressive marketing, strategic business decisions, said company quickly becomes such a dominant player in its industry that they wield essentially complete control over both customers and vendors.

Said company then uses that dominant position to force third-party developers and OEMs into one-sided contracts designed to further entrench their dominant position and restrict competition. Said company also reserves certain platform functionality (via undocumented or privileged APIs, for example) to give technical advantages to their own add-on ancillary software products (most notably, its web browser platform and the cloud services it provides) over those products and services provided by competitors. In other words, using a near-monopoly position in one market in order to entrench a near-monopoly position in another.

There is, of course, a "competitor" of sorts in both of these scenarios, but that competitor is neither strong enough or diversified enough to provide any real meaningful competition and switching costs between the two "competitors" are very high. That is, when they are actually competitors - turns out they are actually closer to "frienemies" than competitors, as one company happens to be one of the largest third-party software and services providers to the other company's platform.

You could read this narrative in the context of IBM in the 60s, Microsoft in the 90's, or Apple today. There is so much overlap that the cases differ mainly in the names of the parties involved.

A lot of typing to miss the point.

Microsoft got in trouble for licensing Windows to OEMs and then dictating unfavorable terms to them.

Same thing happened with Google/Android where they let OEMs use Android for free and without conditions and then started adding restrictions later after achieving a monopoly.

There’s a reason Apple beat Epic in court while Google lost to Epic in court. They have different business models. Apple doesn’t license iOS to OEMs so they can never be accused of all the things that Microsoft & Google have.
 


Apple today responded to Elon Musk's claims that the App Store favors OpenAI's ChatGPT app, telling Bloomberg's Mark Gurman that the App Store is "fair and free of bias."

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Yesterday, Musk threatened to sue Apple, and claimed that the company was violating antitrust rules by favoring ChatGPT over other AI apps like Grok. "Apple is behaving in a manner that makes it impossible for any AI company besides OpenAI to reach #1 in the App Store, which is an unequivocal antitrust violation. xAI will take immediate legal action," Musk said.

Musk did not provide any evidence or further information on Apple's alleged antitrust violations, but he seems to have missed that AI app DeepSeek hit number one on the App Store charts earlier this year. ChatGPT continues to be in the number one position on the free apps chart, with Grok in the number five spot. X is number 32.

Musk also claimed that Apple "refuses" to put the X or Grok apps in the App Store's "Must Have" section, where ChatGPT is listed. Grok has recently been updated with adult-themed content that includes celebrity deepfakes, and it regularly makes headlines for its questionable Musk-guided responses to queries.

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman responded to Musk's claims of Apple favoritism by pointing out that Musk has manipulated X algorithms to benefit himself and his companies.

Apple is already facing an antitrust lawsuit levied by the U.S. Department of Justice, and it is still appealing a recent ruling in the Apple vs. Epic Games lawsuit that required major App Store changes.

Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple Denies Musk's ChatGPT Favoritism Claims, Says App Store Has No Bias
I mean if ChatGPT is superior to Grok (which it is) then obviously it will pass Grok on the charts consistently. The only thing Grok has going for it is its ability to be more conversational. Chat on the other hand is able to parse through data seemlessly and match data from one source to another with no effort at all. I would be much more inclined to sub to Chat than Grok
 
No. Deciding if one entity is a jerk is subjective which is not being objective. And if one person is being a jerk (assuming this characterization can be objective) generally, that should have no effect on the current action being discussed at hand.
We’re saying the same thing, so why “no”?
 
We’re saying the same thing, so why “no”?
We're not saying the same thing.

You said "they must be a jerk in all situations". Whether one or all are jerks in any or all situations is purely subjective and unnecessary in an objective discussion.
 
We're not saying the same thing.

You said "they must be a jerk in all situations".
Uh, no, I did not. Read again, and for the love of god, don’t put quotes around text that is not a direct quote. I did not write that sentence.
Whether one or all are jerks in any or all situations is purely subjective and unnecessary in an objective discussion.
Completely in line with what I said.
 
Uh, no, I did not. Read again, and for the love of god, don’t put quotes around text that is not a direct quote. I did not write that sentence.

Completely in line with what I said.
You wrote
"Being objective means considering each case separately, instead of saying that because Apple is a jerk in one situation, they must be a jerk in all situations."

"Instead of" implies someone said this. I don't know who you are referencing because I did not say that. I assume you did.

If you're aligning with what I said, then what do you mean "instead of"? What you wrote is just simply unclear
 
You wrote
"Being objective means considering each case separately, instead of saying that because Apple is a jerk in one situation, they must be a jerk in all situations."

"Instead of" implies someone said this. I don't know who you are referencing because I did not say that. I assume you did.

If you're aligning with what I said, then what do you mean "instead of"? What you wrote is just simply unclear
And your assumption is wrong, I said the opposite. I may have misrepresented your original statement, but as I read it, you were arguing that it was hypocritical to defend Apple in this case if you had previously attacked them in a different case. If I misunderstood that, I apologize, and then I am not going to spend more time with this discussion. I’ve stated my opinion, and if it’s not clear now, it’s not worth the time to clear it up. Sorry.
 
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