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Shame my iPad Pro has been laggy buggy and slow since iOS 11... I hate using it. My 6S runs much smoother and from what I’ve read I’m not the only one who’s noticed this..

Both devices will be replaced with a new iPhone this year so at least I’ll only have one device to annoy me!!
 
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Imagine a small iPad where you can get all the benefits of the wonderful Apple experience but plug in multiple peripherals on your own such as a keyboard, mouse, monitor, and all sorts of external adaptors and devices as required in your profession. Could just plug it into the wall outlet and leave it at work or home and its always ready to go. Would be a little thicker to support the additional inputs and possible upgradable internals and may not have a touchscreen or display but since professionals would mostly be using it you'd expect they'd have these things already. Now that would be an iPad I would buy. May have to call it something else though.
 
I think in some ways most of us are in agreement that iPad Pro is enough for some of us to get our work done effectively and efficiently, and others require a laptop. I personally could not use iPad alone for my work. I’m an attorney and while Readdle is great, a lot of issues which made it simply not enough. I do need physical media - thumb drives at times to provide documents to others, and the cloud won’t always do. I also have horrid handwriting so note-taking must be using a keyboard. And MBP is better for me in that regard. But iPads are an awesome tool for exhibits etc. So I find use for both myself, but for heavier lifting my MBP is the king. I know some lawyers who have gone to iPad Pro as primary and love it, so maybe I need to give it a a try.
Anyhow, perhaps talking about “laptop replacement” is the issue. From this thread it’s clear we have so many different definitions of what a laptop is supposed to do it makes the debate pointless. We just all want Apple to provide tools we need to help us get our work done. Just like some folks need a desktop - work or things like intensive gaming - instead of a laptop.
Some here - like me - are just worried Apple is ignoring/ failing to devote sufficient effort on what is an important tool for many Apple loyalists. So perhaps a little extra sensitive to hearing about laptop replacement while waiting anxiously to see what Apple is going to bring us as far as new Macs. I enjoy my older generation iPad, and get some work done on it, but want a new MBP for work and play as well. No reason Apple cannot excel with both platforms.
 
This whole "iPad is a laptop" thing is completely against the concept of the iPad and why Apple kept iOS and macOS separate. They're contradicting themselves and confusing Jobs' legacy. Give it up already. Absolutely awful marketing.

I'd like for iOS to become more open and advanced but Apple won't ever let it be a true macOS competitor.
 
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So for example, transferring files to/from a removable disk storage is considered "pro" these days?

Fact is, the iPad is only suitable for basic level computing. It will never replace a computer without true mouse support and desktop-grade CPU and GPU power.


They have this thing called the cloud.
 
Depends on the level of training.
My moms bank does not have an app for iOS and the website fails to display all the options available that are visible on a laptop. She had no idea about the "Request Desktop Site" option in Safari. Not that always works either :(

iOS on an iPad has a lot of potential. Sadly, the option "how do I" is not readily apparent to the majority in a lot of cases.

Update: Ran into this same issue when responding to a court document via email link. Not all fields were available even in "Desktop" mode. Had to use a pc.

"Request desktop site" is more miss than hit on iOS/Safari. ChromeOS is the lowest cost solution with a full desktop browser.

As far as OS with fewest limitations:

Windows/Linux/MacOS > ChromeOS > Android > iOS

There's a huge gap between 1st three categories which are/closer to computer replacement while iOS is closer to an iPod.
 
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Like iPads but.... As long as I am locked into the App Store and cannot do even half the things my laptop does, the iPad will never replace my laptop.
 
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Well, at least at a large university from which I retired, and where I still go to use libraries and such, nearly all the students, faculty, and staff are using laptops and desktops for their work, research, and school related tasks. The only place I see more tablet usage is in gyms and exercise facilities, where they are convenient for absorbing content while using aerobic exercise machines. The main trend over the last few years is that PC laptops are starting to outnumber Macs, particularly among students. Tablets are still quite the rarity on campus.
IPad will never become a true replacement for the PC, no mouse support, weak mobile apps.
Anybody would agree with that.
But the unsorted, lowest denominator herds out there with negligible IQ eat everything you throw at them.
Ehh, isn’t it Tim ?
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All the iPad needs is mouse/trackpad support, only then will it be a serious contender in the computer space.
Agree. Take the 2015 MBPro, add a retina screen and enough ports (and name it iPad whatever, to satisfy TC) and we’re done
 
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An iPad will never be a laptop replacement without mouse support. An iPad is a superior product in many ways than a laptop, but for specific situations, a mouse is needed in order to truly replace the laptop.

For you perhaps. But I haven’t used a laptop in two years. The things I was using it for, versus my iMac, are all things my iPad Pro handles just fine
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Great way to start a Monday with a topic/concept that is a sore spot for some.

It’s only a sore spot for those folks that think iPads suck and that everyone should agree with them.

The rest of us are of the school of use what you want and let us do the same
 
An iPad will never be a laptop replacement without mouse support. An iPad is a superior product in many ways than a laptop, but for specific situations, a mouse is needed in order to truly replace the laptop.

that is where the apple pencil/stylus comes in as it is far more accurate than a mouse
[doublepost=1531179487][/doublepost]well this website is called MACrumors for a reason, everyone here is in denial
 
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This whole "iPad is a laptop" thing is completely against the concept of the iPad and why Apple kept iOS and macOS separate. They're contradicting themselves and confusing Jobs' legacy. Give it up already. Absolutely awful marketing.

I'd like for iOS to become more open and advanced but Apple won't ever let it be a true macOS competitor.

Like iPads but.... As long as I am locked into the App Store and cannot do even half the things my laptop does, the iPad will never replace my laptop.

The ads highlight the power, potential and usefulness of iPads. They are not espousing the iPad as a laptop replacement and they are not aimed at “the iPad will never be a laptop replacement for me” crowd.

Millions of us use—and do work on—iPads every day. But the iPad is not for everyone.
 
Anybody would agree with that.
But the unsorted, lowest denominator herds out there with negligible IQ eat everything you throw at them.
Ehh, isn’t it Tim ?
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Agree. Take the 2015 MBPro, add a retina screen and enough ports (and name it iPad whatever, to satisfy TC) and we’re done

My daughter is studying vet med started with an iPad. Now uses a hybrid ASUS through the school. Said everyone in her classes uses a laptop. Tablets have vanished. She does use the iPad to read material.
She had my old Surface Pro but broke it :eek:
 
My daughter is studying vet med started with an iPad. Now uses a hybrid ASUS through the school. Said everyone in her classes uses a laptop. Tablets have vanished. She does use the iPad to read material.
She had my old Surface Pro but broke it :eek:
Seriously, the college kids and their teachers are still heavily using laptops as their go to machines. A multitasking windowing OS, lots of production applications, highly configurable memory and storage, keyboards, mouse/touchpad, headphone port, SD card slots, various USB ports - that's appealing for folks that need to get things done - teach, do research, or just get a degree.
 
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The "iPad + Paperwork" video shows an app called LiquidText! I'm the CEO of the company; our app is actually a pretty serious reimagining of document reading. You can see a demo here:

I'm happy to answer any questions I can!

I can’t find your app in the iOS App Store. Could you provide a direct link please.
 
Seriously, the college kids and their teachers are still heavily using laptops as their go to machines. A multitasking windowing OS, lots of production applications, highly configurable memory and storage, keyboards, mouse/touchpad, headphone port, SD card slots, various USB ports - that's appealing for folks that need to get things done - teach, do research, or just get a degree.
Just to provide another perspective, at my university (Big Ten) I’ve observed a significant move toward phones and tablets in the classroom. (And these are STEM and business students as well as arts.) Our course management software is easily accessed on mobile devices and these are supplemented as needed by either personal laptops or desktops or university machines. We have a secure enterprise Box account where students stow work in progress, access course materials and upload their projects.

The trend on my campus is toward lightweight, mobile and nimble.
 
Just to provide another perspective, at my university (Big Ten) I’ve observed a significant move toward phones and tablets in the classroom. (And these are STEM and business students as well as arts.) Our course management software is easily accessed on mobile devices and these are supplemented as needed by either personal laptops or desktops or university machines. We have a secure enterprise Box account where students stow work in progress, access course materials and upload their projects.

The trend on my campus is toward lightweight, mobile and nimble.
Interesting - I like to sort of gauge where the future lies by observing trends in universities. The University of Texas at Austin is still heavily invested in traditional laptops/desktops. That you are seeing different trends is something I need to pay attention to ... it's a changing world.
 
Interesting - I like to sort of gauge where the future lies by observing trends in universities. The University of Texas at Austin is still heavily invested in traditional laptops/desktops. That you are seeing different trends is something I need to pay attention to ... it's a changing world.
Just shows that one size doesn’t fit all. But in the classes I’m familiar with, laptop use is way down over the last three years. My college used to have a “laptop requirement” but that was ditched five years ago.

Part of the transition to mobile devices is fueled by the use of cloud storage and the corresponding ability to access one’s work anywhere.
 
I tried using my 10.5 iPad pro as a laptop replacement while traveling around Australia. I managed 3 months in before I went out and bought a new MacBook Pro.

My iPad had the official keyboard cover and pencil. The newer iOS versions definitely make it easier to use as a daily driver, but it's still lacking so much. You can do most things, it just takes several extra steps.

Plus, I'm a file organiser at heart. Dropbox and the files app just don't cut it.

It's amazing to see how people are changing tho, my friends kids are 13 years old and they can't understand the concept of organising files manually, they're happy and prefer everything to be stored in the specific app. I can respect how everything is changing, I just feel like apple is leaving us classic users out!
 
Nobody buys iPad nowadays. iPhone made the iPad obsolete when Apple offered larger screen. Anything the iPad can do, the iPhone can do it as well.

How would you even come to this conclusion? It’s completely absurd. The iPad has dominated the tablet sector for years, not just because of the hardware standards, but because of how fluid Apples ecosystem and security is. Nothing compares to the iPad experience in terms of how its used in so many professions, where it has migrated into schools, colleges, businesses, ect.
 
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For you perhaps. But I haven’t used a laptop in two years. The things I was using it for, versus my iMac, are all things my iPad Pro handles just fine
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It’s only a sore spot for those folks that think iPads suck and that everyone should agree with them.

The rest of us are of the school of use what you want and let us do the same
I don’t use laptops. I have an iPad and an iMac. Not the point.
 

Do you know what the application shown in the “Notes” video is?

Just curious.
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You can run MS Word, MS Excel, and MS PowerPoint on an iPad. I've done it several times.
I did all that today...AND I worked on a PowerPoint. Some things might be a little simpler on a Laptop/Desktop, but several things are easier with a Stylus. (Try making a complex motion animation within a PowerPoint with a mouse. Ha!).
 
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