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Apple Design Awards for iOS Devices Announced
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If all Apple did was give 10.6 as long of legs as 10.4 had, that would be a good thing. They seem too interested in releasing new software before it is truly ready for prime time while throwing out the fully debugged baby with the bathwater.
How about a dual boot option for 2 years while software versions crossover? 10.7 won't be worth a crap till 10.7.3. I would far rather run 10.4.12 or 10.6.7.
Apple should keep making the best foot forward possible on the desktop and laptop form factors they have developed.
It wouldn't hurt one little bit to go back and have a small team deal with fixing all the outstanding issues from past releases with hardware faults and bugs, and make them aware of newer features and devices. Let people simply not install their Mac in a landfill for lack of choice.
Rocketman
iOS and OSX are both OSX, just different API packages and processor compiles.
How about a dual boot option for 2 years while software versions crossover? 10.7 won't be worth a crap till 10.7.3. I would far rather run 10.4.12 or 10.6.7.
Apple should keep making the best foot forward possible on the desktop and laptop form factors they have developed.
It wouldn't hurt one little bit to go back and have a small team deal with fixing all the outstanding issues from past releases with hardware faults and bugs, and make them aware of newer features and devices. Let people simply not install their Mac in a landfill for lack of choice.
Rocketman
iOS and OSX are both OSX, just different API packages and processor compiles.
It was hyperbole to say: "The Mac's days are numbered." because it implies that the life left to Macs can be counted in terms of days not months or years (although the meaning nowadays stretches from days to a few years but even that is utter hyperbole).Also, how is it "hyperbole" to say Apple did not mention the mac at WWDC and there has been no Mac Pro since March 2009?Hyperbole would be saying "No new desktops in a hundred years!"
True, but what else are they going to say? "Yeah, we're sort of letting that slide a bit, but we figure that's not really a growth market anymore."
Who the heck forces you to install 10.7 before 10.7.3 is released? And don't come with that argument that new Macs will come only with 10.7. The OS release date is pretty well known for several months in advance, it is not exactly difficult to schedule ones hardware purchases to not fall into the 10.6.final through 10.7.2 period.
I agree, especially with Jobs patting himself on the back during his Keynote "We have given over $1bn to developers!" Give me a break.
After watching the 7-minute video on the 'magic' of the iPad the give awards to these apps? If you want to show us what these things can really do, give awards to developers that push the iPad/iPhone's limits.
I recall his mention, in the time prior to Snow Leopard, that some people had been pulled temporarily to get the iPhone where it needed to be. I don't recall any mention about actually reducing interest in OS X (also consider that development advancements in OS X and iOS are going to share among each other). If you've read something to that note, I'd love to read it too. If anything, that was a good business decision. Long term I would be disappointed in such a thing as well, but I've seen nothing to substantiate such a claim.
Hyperbole was lamenting the inevitable demise of the Mac, when Mac is still growing and becoming more and more at the forefront of consumer interests. The WWDC bit to an extent is also hyperbole, because Apple as treated it primarily as an iPhone OS [iOS] event from the start (check their original press release). New computers, outside the more revolutionary evolutions, can be announced easily enough through a smaller event. The legitimate observation here is that there was apparently almost no focus on Macs this time around when previous WWDC events have featured Mac labs.Also, how is it "hyperbole" to say Apple did not mention the mac at WWDC and there has been no Mac Pro since March 2009?
I can at least agree with the delay since the last Mac Pro. It has been a while and it is due for a revision. But it is still an awesome machine and Apple has always observed a longer upgrade cycle for their hardware than most other computer manufacturers (who just have a mess of models).
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Agreed. It's probably why a large portion of my friends who grew up on windows and pc's now have Macs. If it wasn't for the ipod, the iphone, and now ipads, I don't think apple would be where it is today in terms of computer sales. Also, it may seem like Apple has forgotten the desktop realm and developers, but honestly who thinks they could just abandon a viable revenue stream?
The apple ios line is the gateway drug to all of their products.
Agreed. It's probably why a large portion of my friends who grew up on windows and pc's now have Macs. If it wasn't for the ipod, the iphone, and now ipads, I don't think apple would be where it is today in terms of computer sales. Also, it may seem like Apple has forgotten the desktop realm and developers, but honestly who thinks they could just abandon a viable revenue stream?
The apple ios line is the gateway drug to all of their products.
What was the point in leaving off the Mac category? How hard would it have been to include it along with the iPad and iPhone categories?
Someone at Apple must have realized leaving it out would cause speculation about their committment to their base computer business - but they decided to do it anyway.
It seems like they are sending a message, but I am not sure what it is. I tend to agree with those who believe that Apple is still committed to their base computer business, but I have a hard time explaining why they would drop the Mac category this year when it would have been so easy to include it.
Thoughts?
Someone at Apple must have realized leaving it out would cause speculation about their committment to their base computer business - but they decided to do it anyway.
It seems like they are sending a message, but I am not sure what it is. I tend to agree with those who believe that Apple is still committed to their base computer business, but I have a hard time explaining why they would drop the Mac category this year when it would have been so easy to include it.
Thoughts?
The message is very clear - when OSX is not mentioned at WWDC, it's not rocket science to deduce that OSX is on the back burner.
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It just means there isn't anything major to talk about yet on the upcoming next version of OS X.
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It just means there isn't anything major to talk about yet on the upcoming next version of OS X.
Having a feature is meaningless if that feature isn't implemented properly. Even the garbage companies in China which release Apple product knockoffs can release a phone with a very impressive list of features. What Apple doesand what has made such an incredible success of the companyis implement features in a way that everyone can appreciate and enjoy.
Consider video chat. We've had the technology for this for quite some time (outside cellular network bandwidth). It hasn't gone anywhere because something of this sort has to be implemented across platforms, cleanly, clearly, and by a company or organizing body which can get things done. There have been plenty of articles laughing at the speculation of this inclusion in the iPhone 4 for the reasonand I agreed with them. But Apple has introduced a stupid-simple implementation of the feature and will make it open to other companies and organizations to do the same. They could actually make it a legitimate phone feature across the world. That's huge. So consider: old feature, been around a long time, never meant anything. On the iPhone 4 it becomes a meaningful feature.
On a simple example, look at copy and paste on the Android, a decent implementation compared to other smartphones. It sucks compared to the iPhone. Google, despite having incredibly brilliant engineers, has a platform which rushes every feature imaginable out the gate. Excellent for tinkerers and people who buy feature lists (even though it may not truly be good for them), but terrible for the future of the platform. Implement something poorly and you're either left with a sub-par feature, or you have to go back and re-do things down the road. Not a big deal for tech folks, but it is a huge deal for regular consumers. A user of the first iPhone can use every other iPhone, just as a user of the most recent iPhone can use every other iPhone. And beyond that, the phone is incredibly easy to learn for anyone who will actually try it (again, not so for consumers on other platforms).
Google could learn a lot from this. Their platform would be much better if they spent more time making things perfect, even if it meant leaving some customers ranting for a little while wondering why it is taking them longer than expected. The customer is not always right. They've got the talent, but they're treating consumer hardware productssomething new to themlike open-source software. That's a mistake.
I'm trying to understand this. I really am. Apple has, perhaps, shifted some focus to their other products, such as the iPhone, but much of that small shift, if even worth considering at all, is going to come right back around to the Mac (more Mac users, more revenue, more progress).
Apple has also been updating their products about as regularly as I ever remember. When they release new products they make use of top-tier technology of the time, they're as high quality as ever, and they're even more easier to use and reliable than ever. They have always taken longer to release products than others, thoughthey don't follow major technology milestones, for example, unless that is a technology milestone that was specifically relevant to a product, in which case they tend to be first to market)and they have always shied away from technology which has been limited or hindered to them (e.g. BluRay).
I can perhaps understand a little relative to their professional software. It feels a little bit like they've slowed in software development. But not much, and we'll see through this year if this is really a problem.
Screw you Steve!!
No Mac Awards?!?!?!
What the hell Apple? You can't just abandon us Mac developers and users. I was really concerned when the App Store was released and Apple started primarily focusing on the iPhone. i'm now terrified for the platforms future. I much prefer to develop for the Mac the the iOS platform (although this is just a personal choice). What is the point of updating everything to 64-bit Cocoa if you are just going to abandon us. Idea: why not have two WWDCs each year. one for iOS and one for OSX. At least us Mac developers will feel secure in the future of our products.
No Mac Awards?!?!?!
What the hell Apple? You can't just abandon us Mac developers and users. I was really concerned when the App Store was released and Apple started primarily focusing on the iPhone. i'm now terrified for the platforms future. I much prefer to develop for the Mac the the iOS platform (although this is just a personal choice). What is the point of updating everything to 64-bit Cocoa if you are just going to abandon us. Idea: why not have two WWDCs each year. one for iOS and one for OSX. At least us Mac developers will feel secure in the future of our products.
Perhaps you are right, but I keep hoping that is not the case. I love my mac and I hate the idea of Apple putting something so important on the back burner.
Although I guess it depends on how long OSX will be on the back burner. Right now, my mac does everything I need it to do - the programs are great, the performance is great - so I don't have any pressing needs that are going unfulfilled.
Don't know why everyone is all over this "abandoned mac thing". I have this wonderful MBP sitting here with a fast and stable OS which does everything I need it to do as a consumer. And I can imagine the iMac is a beautiful computer too and a joy to use.
Keep up the good work Apple.
I couldn't ask for more from a computer at this point.
Keep up the good work Apple.
I couldn't ask for more from a computer at this point.
Sorry mate but what Apple wants to do is sell iPads, iPhones and iPods. They are already making more money from iToys then from computers and due to lack of new Mac's the gap is just growing.
Get a grip mate. What an earth are you talking about? Mac Pro's are old as hell and need to be updated ASAP and what are you rambling about BluRay... Its bread and butter for media professionals and we need it. Slowing down on professional software development is understatement to say very least. Latest FCS upgrade was lackluster release and now Avid is hitting hard with new MC. Even Premier is starting to look like worth a while for some.
Or, there isn't an upcoming next version of OSX.
As a company, Apple seems to be hopelessly single-threaded - only able to one thing at a time. That "thing" was the Ipad, now the 4G Iphone. Any spare bandwidth at 1 Infinite Loop is consumed by petty vendettas against Flash and people who find lost Iphone prototypes. OSX doesn't get any love.
It seems rather ominous that OSX 10.7 is not a major topic at WWDC - unless Apple really is only interested in WWiPOSDC.
OSX 10.6 was released a full year ago - and no news about the next version at a *developer* conference a full year later? Unsettling, to say the least.
At least everyone can look forward to the attendees at WWiPOSDC going home and writing a new generation of fart apps for the new iPOS devices.
I fully agree with this. Its sounds unbelievable but unfortunately Apple's product release track record has shown it to be the case.
offtopic:
Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.4 Build 10F566 to Developers - June 8, 2010
Apple Announces Release of Safari 5 with Extensions - June 7, 2010
WWDC iOS4 focused keynote - June 7, 2010
Sure do seem focused on iPhones and iPads and iPod touches to me too
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Congrats to the winners!
Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.4 Build 10F566 to Developers - June 8, 2010
Apple Announces Release of Safari 5 with Extensions - June 7, 2010
WWDC iOS4 focused keynote - June 7, 2010
Sure do seem focused on iPhones and iPads and iPod touches to me too
ontopic:
Congrats to the winners!
offtopic:
Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.4 Build 10F566 to Developers - June 8, 2010
Apple Announces Release of Safari 5 with Extensions - June 7, 2010
WWDC iOS4 focused keynote - June 7, 2010
Sure do seem focused on iPhones and iPads and iPod touches to me too
Check the WWDC seminars and workshops and then tell me whats the focus
iOS
offtopic:
Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.6.4 Build 10F566 to Developers - June 8, 2010
Apple Announces Release of Safari 5 with Extensions - June 7, 2010
WWDC iOS4 focused keynote - June 7, 2010
Sure do seem focused on iPhones and iPads and iPod touches to me too
ontopic:
Congrats to the winners!
Right because a post about a build of 10.6.4 on a rumor site = WWDC iOS4 with national coverage? I'm happy your AAPL stock is doing well but don't be delusional.
