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Without Steve Jobs he completely lost his way. Jony's obsession with minimalism and thinness is truly detrimental to Apple's product line. From the terrible butterfly keyboard to the idiotic removal of the headphone jack, this guy keeps on making poor design decisions year after year. It's time for him to retire from Apple.
 
*sigh* It's called CONCENTRIC CIRCLES and works just fine. Can't believe I had to waste an Instagram post to point out the obvious. ;)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bpr72v2DIc4/
Concentricity is not the issue here. Geometric perfection does not always look beautiful to the human eye. That’s why fonts are kerned (ie, perfect equidistant spacing between letters is deliberately made unequal because it looks better that way). It’s also why architects use entasis (i.e., geometrically straight lines are deliberately curved so that they’ll look straight to the human eye)

The issue with the iPad is where the center of the circle was placed and the overall thickness of the black border. That’s what doesn’t look right. That’s what a designer must work hard at to get right: Subjective stuff.

Engineers look after the objective stuff.
 
Making devices with square corners, however, was. He wasn't forced to put square-cornered displays into devices with rounded corners.
Sure. But whenever possible, Ive and his team made sure that the masking either looked like that (like, say, in the old first-gen polycarbonate Cinema Displays) or at least had its curve radius centre match the display corners (like, say, in all of the unibody iMacs, the G4 iBooks and PowerBooks, the polycarbonate MacBooks and the “fat”, non-retina unibody MacBook Pros).

It’s not as pretty and elaborate, but it’s consistent with this design. And before you bash on him for putting form before function, as ugly as the off-centre original 15’’ and 17’’ MacBook Pro were, you have to give them credit for giving priority to the integrated iSight camera.
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Concentricity is not the issue here. Geometric perfection does not always look beautiful to the human eye. That’s why fonts are kerned (ie, perfect equidistant spacing between letters is deliberately made unequal because it looks better that way). It’s also why architects use entasis (i.e., geometrically straight lines are deliberately curved so that they’ll look straight to the human eye)

The issue with the iPad is where the center of the circle was placed and the overall thickness of the black border. That’s what doesn’t look right. That’s what a designer must work hard at to get right: Subjective stuff.

Engineers look after the objective stuff.
Amen! Type design practitioner and teacher here. I haven’t thought about doing that kerning analogy, and it’s perfectly apt.
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Without Steve Jobs he completely lost his way. Jony's obsession with minimalism and thinness is truly detrimental to Apple's product line. From the terrible butterfly keyboard to the idiotic removal of the headphone jack, this guy keeps on making poor design decisions year after year. It's time for him to retire from Apple.
Well, consider these two strategic and functional factors: on one hand, Apple wants to push people into their own-brand and Beats wireless headphones and speakers; on the other hand, that humongous camera bump is a dead giveaway that the internal LCD is still quite thick, and the fact that it goes all the way to the edges of the casing means it would also interfere with the rather deep 3.5 mm headphone jack. The only way Apple could have both an edge-to-edge screen on both axes (and get rid of the camera bump in the process) would be to make the iPad unreasonably thick, because introducing a “3.5 mm headphone jack bump” would look ugly as hell and be sheer insanity.

Having a USB-C port, on the other hand, is definitely the way to go, as that will inevitably become a standard of sorts for headphones once all the industry moves to it (except, quite ironically, Apple itself; though as of now we can’t write off the demise of Lightning quite so easily, as we probably reached peak thinness and Apple will likely still be able to fit USB-C ports in their iPhones if they so choose).

As for all the wannabe-DJs crying foul about the omission of that ancient audio jack, I’ll just remind you people that most serious (digital-based) DJs I know of (because I do know some who still only play vinyl) use USB audio interfaces and mixtables already, so… I fail to see what the big issue is. And those who don’t want to use one can always buy the $9 dongle; it’s not like it’s that much of an inconvenience for someone who already has to buy a 3.5 mm to RCA jack cable, which is only touched twice each a session anyway (when setting up your stuff and when packing it up again at the end, in case it wasn’t obvious enough)… Heck, that’s even a great business opportunity right there, as new DJs might rather buy a potentially cheaper third-party USB-C to RCA cable (as I’m guessing such a device would be standards-based and wouldn’t exactly have to be MFi-certified, but please do correct me if I’m wrong) and skip Apple’s dongle altogether.

You can argue all you want about Apple’s obsession with thinness when it comes to a small device that fits both the palm of your hand and your pocket regardless, or a gigantic computer that you slap on your desk, but when it comes to the iPad, every millimeter and milligram counts (if you don’t own one, I dare you to go to a store and try to hold one – especially one of the old 12’’ Pro models, if you can still find one – with one hand for any extended period of time).
 
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*sigh* It's called CONCENTRIC CIRCLES and works just fine. Can't believe I had to waste an Instagram post to point out the obvious. ;)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bpr72v2DIc4/
This is Thinking Different by Doing Similar.
The whole world guesses “Joni will come up with something new and original.”
But Joni’s adherence to the shape of competing tablets, phones & pencil stoweaway solutions is absolutely stellar. Unprecedented, radically similar to Samsung tab, Lenovo tab 4, HTC.
Congrats. This unforeseen analogy with competing brands is something only Apple could do.
“What were they thinking ?” is what anybody might wonder. Well, possibly nothing at all.
Because imitating doesn’t require that. And that’s what makes them so Different
 
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I haven't used wired headphones in probably 2 years. There are so many cheap bluetooth earphones available that most people can afford them now. Also if someones buying a 1000 dollar tablet, chances are they can too. For those who have their favorite pair of headphones, they offer a dongle solution.

Those who choose wired headphones don't do it because of price. They do it for sound quality which bluetooth lacks. I have bluetooth headphones and cant stand to use them to listen to music, because wired just sounds much better. Same when i plug it into Receiver or car audio. Bluetooth IS hassle free but doesn't sound as good. It lacks punch and clarity.

Seems most people have forgotten this because they downgraded to bluetooth headphones a while ago a just lived with it for the convenience benefit. Some people despise the loss of headphone jack for that reason and that you have less available options. Everyone had BT on their phones when there was a headphone jack. But apple wanted to push wireless headphones because they bought Beats and were releasing airpods. What better way for them to make more money by taking the headphone jack away and push people to BT headphones. So it was in apples best interest most became subservient to their cause to push BT headphones and inconvenience those who didn't.
[doublepost=1541359798][/doublepost]The new ipad is a large iphone 4xs + max. The pinnacle of their design. They stray away to make change for changes' sake because they didnt have much else to offer year after year. I see they are regressing to when things were better. LOL
 
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As for all the wannabe-DJs crying foul about the omission of that ancient audio jack, I’ll just remind you people that most serious (digital-based) DJs I know of (because I do know some who still only play vinyl) use USB audio interfaces and mixtables already, so… I fail to see what the big issue is.

The issue is, people like me just like to complain. When the iphone & ipad first appeared, I had very few complaints. The software allowed it to just work, and the hardware was flexible and blended nearly seamlessly into my then-current usage/lifestyle. But I was amiss and just forgot to complain. Looking back, that seamless enjoyment of using the device distracted me from complaining, and boy was I happy. I mean, unhappy that I forgot to complain because I like to complain. My mother rarely called me to ask how to figure out how to do things on her iPad, so I had time to forget to complain. It was awful!

Now that the headphone jack is gone and I am frequently tasked with figuring out work-arounds for getting audio to my many high-quality but "ancient and nearly obsolete" 10 year-old speakers, systems, etc., at work and home and in my garage, I am given time to think about complaining once again when on a dongle search.

Or when at my girlfriend's and I'd like to play music from my iPhone 8 thru her bluetooth speaker but we have to spend time finding her phone, disconnect it from the speaker in order to allow mine to connect (instead of just connecting my 8 to her speaker instantly via the 1/8" cable dangling from the speaker, which we used for years successfully and instantly), I'm given time during the delay in getting our devices to do what we need to remind myself, I should just stop and complain soon to feel better, because I'm one who just likes to complain about the jack for no reason. When my mother calls me after nearly every software update, confused how to do what used to be simpler, I usually have to decompress afterwards due to her exasperation, so I need to do something that makes me happy, which is, to complain!

Jony's jumped the shark. :)
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I dare you to go to a store and try to hold one – especially one of the old 12’’ Pro models, if you can still find one – with one hand for any extended period of time).

How often is it typical for one to hold and ipad with 1 hand for extended periods of time? Maybe in a work environment, for which it would be lunacy to not also protect the fragile item in a case, adding back weight. My ipad is used lying on a desk, in my lap, on my bed, or leaning against something 99.99% of the time.
 
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...says the man who choose to put these displays with square corners into designs without square corners for many years.
Hey now, he's gotta convince you how great this new hardware is...oh wait, he had a quote about that too.
 
The issue is, people like me just like to complain. When the iphone & ipad first appeared, I had very few complaints. The software allowed it to just work, and the hardware was flexible and blended nearly seamlessly into my then-current usage/lifestyle. But I was amiss and just forgot to complain. Looking back, that seamless enjoyment of using the device distracted me from complaining, and boy was I happy. I mean, unhappy that I forgot to complain because I like to complain. My mother rarely called me to ask how to figure out how to do things on her iPad, so I had time to forget to complain. It was awful!

Now that the headphone jack is gone and I am frequently tasked with figuring out work-arounds for getting audio to my many high-quality but "ancient and nearly obsolete" 10 year-old speakers, systems, etc., at work and home and in my garage, I am given time to think about complaining once again when on a dongle search.

Or when at my girlfriend's and I'd like to play music from my iPhone 8 thru her bluetooth speaker but we have to spend time finding her phone, disconnect it from the speaker in order to allow mine to connect (instead of just connecting my 8 to her speaker instantly via the 1/8" cable dangling from the speaker, which we used for years successfully and instantly), I'm given time during the delay in getting our devices to do what we need to remind myself, I should just stop and complain soon to feel better, because I'm one who just likes to complain about the jack for no reason. When my mother calls me after nearly every software update, confused how to do what used to be simpler, I usually have to decompress afterwards due to her exasperation, so I need to do something that makes me happy, which is, to complain!

Jony's jumped the shark. :)
Jony has jumped the shark and a dongle is only a few bucks and would eliminate the issue at your girlfriends house. A few bucks spent wisely, my friend.

As far as software updates, my 95 year old aunt has figured out how to download and navigate the latest versions. Even though cars have been part of societal landscape for over a 100 years, many people still don't know how to change a flat tire. Similarly some people are not technically inclined and never will be.
 
becaues it's meaningless, so people don't.

that's the point. A lot of the stuff he says is just... meaningless assortment of fancy designer words that in conjunction of eachother don't actually have any real meaning.

He's sort of trying to be "poetic" while marketing. it's ... well at least to me.. fake.

I agree. When I say I like listening to him, I mean that because I'm curious what he is going to say next!
 
I’m just bummed it doesn’t have a notch. I thought it was the future.

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This is hella funny. But you gave me an idea since I’m losing hair at the corners, might as well embrace it and create a design centered around it!
 
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None of your post is based on reality.

So you would rather subscribe to the reality that countless people continue to buy Apple products despite their higher prices because they are sheep, and not because they remain excellent products worthy of their (hefty) price tags?
 
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"Ive said when changing a well-known and loved product like the iPad, there's a need to not "fall into the trap of just making things different." It's important when changing things not to "make it different, but make it better."

So, this includes removing the 3.5 mm audio jack? You people have lost it...

Lets the cut to the chase about the headphone jack.
I dont like it's removal, and I think it is more ideological than it is about saving space.
However, what is the ideology?

The ideology for Apple has always been about less moving parts and less wired connections.
Thats it.
Whenever they get to a point where 80% of users will not miss something Apple will make the move to cut it because in their experience, nothing ever moves forward unless you force the minority to do something else.

Bluetooth/wireless technology has come so far that it's all pretty seamless now in terms of listening to sound from a device. We also have no need to worry about fraying of cables, loosening of connectors etc.. (which happens alot with 3.5mm jacks and wires) which is the main reason why people buy new headphones.

Also. moving the DAC from a device to the headphones or somewhere outside the computer is actually better for sound quality. Also there is always a certain level of noise and hum form these ports generally, so they are not exactly high grade anyway.

Which is why most people who make music on computers ALWAYS use an external sound card if they are doing any serious recording / playback. I'm not even sure I would want to track a sound from an ipad headphone socket, especially not 16/24 tracks etc.. Just for the s/n ratio alone.

The biggest let down for me is that bluetooth isnt latency free at the moment so I cant actually play a synth in real time on an ipad. So I kind of need wired headphones. But that is solved with a cheap adapter. So really, the big issue is that I cant charge and listen to wired headphones without some other adapter. Thats annoying. Yes.

But I'm clearly less than 20% of the users. And in reality I'm invested enough in music production to use a dongle etc.. If I really need it. Other the years all of us in music have been used to tons of workarounds and dongles/adaptors etc.. Its part of the game.

For the other 80%, I really doubt there is any massive loss in using bluetooth headphones over wired. In fact, if your worried about not being able to use your favourite wired headphones just wait for them to fray or the connection to loosen to give you that wonderful "left ear dead" situation, and then you can buy a bluetooth pair!

Ultimately, wireless is the utopia in terms of connectivity. Both for sound, data, monitor connections etc.. everything. Thats where the puck is. That isn't going to change. Yes its annoying me a bit, but I believe the long run goal is probably worth the sacrifice. (Hoepfully low latency bluetooth headphones!)
 
So you would rather subscribe to the reality that countless people continue to buy Apple products despite their higher prices because they are sheep, and not because they remain excellent products worthy of their (hefty) price tags?
Based on some posts here, it seems there is a personal reality distortion field in effect, prevented some from seeing what the universe sees.
 
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Jony's obsession with minimalism and thinness is truly detrimental to Apple's product line.

To lag a pack of cables, dongles or to plug port hub like Satechi (do you remember ExpressCard slot SATA cards in old MacBook Pros?) is AGAINST minimalism and looks horrible. The idea of Mac was always simply - just to plug, run and work. Form shall not to dominate over a functionality but be a good compromise. Also I do not understand why now Apple do not follow good design form from the past in all product line. Edge design known from iPhone 4/4S/5S and now new iPad Pro was like famous BMW kidney style grille. There is no any similar product on the mobile market now. Still do not know why they did not drop this awful iPhone oval design without character.
 
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Without Steve Jobs he completely lost his way. Jony's obsession with minimalism and thinness is truly detrimental to Apple's product line. From the terrible butterfly keyboard to the idiotic removal of the headphone jack, this guy keeps on making poor design decisions year after year. It's time for him to retire from Apple.

Steve would have kept the headphone jack? you don’t know Steve at all.
 
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So you would rather subscribe to the reality that countless people continue to buy Apple products despite their higher prices because they are sheep, and not because they remain excellent products worthy of their (hefty) price tags?

Demonstrably that's why people will buy the new Mac mini, yes. Again, it wasn't always this way.
 
Yep that’s exactly the reason. :)

I bought on the dip how about you? :)

No, I had my good times investing in AAPL starting in 2005, back when I much more strongly believed in their products & potential & felt they could do little wrong. In 2005 I was the only one among my friends/peers who owned an iPod, longed for an expeeeensive 17" macbook and/or 30" cinema monitor, and who even knew there was an Apple store in the area. Nowadays I'm much less a believer in their vision and moved on to other investment opportunities. Put my investment money where my mouth is. :)
 
No, I had my good times investing in AAPL starting in 2005, back when I much more strongly believed in their products & potential & felt they could do little wrong. In 2005 I was the only one among my friends/peers who owned an iPod, longed for an expeeeensive 17" macbook and/or 30" cinema monitor, and who even knew there was an Apple store in the area. Nowadays I'm much less a believer in their vision and moved on to other investment opportunities. Put my investment money where my mouth is. :)
Me 2. Put my investment money where my mouth is.:)
 
It can’t at all be the result of dissatisfaction from many of us feeling that many of Apple’s products went too far away from the old Apple “design so the user can shine“ towards “designs so the product can shine,” and therefore, all his platitudes come across as eye-rolling silly?
I don’t agree. I ”shine” more now than ever before, and so does my work. The iPad Pro/Mac Book Pro/iMac is a tremendous combo that makes my work such a joy - the cross-workflow is insane!

Of course, oppinions differes. I just hope that there’s a silent mayority (which I recently were a part of) appreciating Ives work as much as I do.
Have a great day.
 
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