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I haven't used wired headphones in probably 2 years. There are so many cheap bluetooth earphones available that most people can afford them now. Also if someones buying a 1000 dollar tablet, chances are they can too. For those who have their favorite pair of headphones, they offer a dongle solution.

The cheap bluetooth headphones sound like crap. And even cheap for bluetooth headphones still means $40. $40 wired headphones these days have a pretty amazing sound, blowing $200 bluetooth headphones out of the water.

And you still can't get away from the fact that you've got another device to charge, another charing cable to carry around (every BT headphone I've ever seen uses microusb to charge, do lightening ones even exist?). There's been countless times I've had to stop listening when my headphones have died. Bluetooth doesn't work that smoothly; when the headphones are paired and I try to use the phone normally the headphones constantly disconnect and connect redirecting my phone calls to the headphones.

Bluetooth headphones have a non-replacable battery meaning they're garbage in 3 years.

**and the real kicker** there's no reason you couldn't use bluetooth headphones on a phone with a 3.5mm plug since you seem to prefer bluetooth. There is zero reason to remove the headphone jack other than to screw over the consumer. No matter how much you want to argue the merits of bluetooth, you can't get away from that simple fact.
 

Specifically, Ive pointed out the display of the device, which uses a subpixel anti-aliasing technique to produce rounded corners that flow into the sides of the screen smoothly and without distortion.

I remember the days when the corners of macOS finder (not just the floating windows) were rounded. Jony Ive...
 
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I'm not going to comment on his skill as a designer

but whenever he speaks, holy crap. it's excessive hyperbolic buzzwords out the wazzooo. trying to break down and understand what he says is a nightmare as most of it generally just sounds like "I do good stuff" in fancy wording.

there's so much... fluff when he talks that it distracts from getting any real detail out of him. He's either a master at it, or maybe he's just one of those type whose not great at speaking his mind.

this quote:


Literally means nothing. there's no meaning here. it's roughly translated to "We like the look of rounded corners"

"is concentric Sympathetic to the actual encloser = We rounded the screen to match the case
"You feel it's authentic"... literally means "we think it looks good"
"it's a single clear product" ... means absolutely nothing.
I understand some people disliking his style of speaking. For one I enjoy it.
Despite that there is some BS at times, I like the way he uses words and create sentences making it very poetic interpretation of the work he and Apple creates. I'm a designer so I appreciate it despite the fact again that sometimes I think they can go a bit far.
 
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If you look at the iPad Pro, though, you can see how the radius, the curve in the corner of the display, is concentric with and sympathetic to the actual enclosure. You feel it's authentic, and you have the sense that it's not an assembly of a whole bag of different components: it's a single, clear product.

Gag. What a dam* blowhard. Well into the unnecessarily overthinking jumping the sharkitude stage.
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"is concentric Sympathetic to the actual encloser = We rounded the screen to match the case
"You feel it's authentic"... literally means "we think it looks good"
"it's a single clear product" ... means absolutely nothing.

This is the type of thinking that dangerously brings out the worst: change for the sake of change, just to keep moving.
 
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Love the man and many of his creations. But boy, does he sound like a walking parody of himself. If you presented his speech as an SNL skit delivered by a comedian, the audience would be rolling on the floor with laughter without realizing that this is really what he says.
 
My fear is not to bend it while im holding it

That's actually a legit concern. This thing is so thin that a mild "drop" on the desk may bend it up. Imagine it inside a carrying sleeve and it slips from your fingers and hits the floor... I'm not confident.

This race for thin that Ive is going for is getting ridiculous.
 
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Oh no, we went from videos, to voice-overs and now to just text interviews with Ive. :(
 
My fear is not to bend it while im holding it

I worry about it too, every time they make it thinner, unnecessarily so.

Jony, where's the iMac 2018? I need one really bad.

The iMac Pro was the update in that line. They have to sell enough of it before introducing the cheaper update for the iMac Basic. Otherwise, it is bad business practice - you and I be damned. #realworldapple.
 
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Wording aside it looks fine to me. Not quite as rounded as the iPhone but I’m sure there’s a reason

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https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comm...ipad_pro_are_perfect/?st=JNWYZUWK&sh=3c552972

The reason is, they opted NOT to do the notch on the iPad Pro. Hence, smaller bezel achievable on the iPhone XS.
 
"When you put it on a flat surface, like a desk, it will wobble about even though it is just a flat slab of aluminium. We managed to do that by making the rear-facing camera stick out more, with a small buttress around it that we carefully included in the chassis."

-- Funny we didn't hear him saying that, or anything remotely related.
 
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Guys, they aren’t doing anything special with the screen. The corners are still square they’re just blacking out the pixels on iPad and iPhone XR

It makes a lot more sense here than it does with the iPhone, when you consider what he says about wanting the device to not have a specific orientation (not possible when cables are sticking out).


Rounded screens were too problematic until recently, and physical devices with square corners are not very comfortable to handle. Imagine your iPhone with square corners when you're trying to hold it one-handed. You'd have a narrow point digging into your palm... no thanks.
 
But it has a USB-C port. And the buttons, camera and logo all give it an orientation. So would a headphone jack socket really make all the difference? I don't think so.
I absolutely do think so (just opinion, of course). More and more, Apple devices are clearly meant to be used with nothing plugged in. The USB-C port is designed for charging and special use cases. Plugging something in is the exception, not the rule. Headphones would have to remain plugged in during an entire user session (say, for something like editing or watching video).

The camera and logo are on the opposite side, so that doesn't really matter to the user (unless you are actively using the rear camera, perhaps). The buttons are nearly flush with the case, so they don't have a huge effect on user experience either. Now, a headphone cable sticking an inch out, dangling down to your waist and then back up to your head really does make all the difference. Anyone who has made the switch to wireless headphones would probably agree.

I understand you could just be making the point that a headphone jack with nothing plugged in doesn't affect the orientation, and I would agree. But the fact is, if the headphone jack is there, many more people are going to end up using it, and Apple simply doesn't want that to happen. As evidenced with the iPhone 7, they see themselves as industry leaders in getting people to switch over to wireless audio (of course they primarily hope to make money off this decision in the long run, but then again, they are a public company).
 
Personally liking the iPhone 4 type of backside of the new Pro. At least the edges remind me of it.

I hope they go back to the flat edge for next year's iPhone X variant. It looks and feels so much better than round edges, which are slippery and add unnecessary bulk to the sides.
 
You're ignoring that case makers can actually design around the pencil attachment. I guess this is why you're not a designer, only a critic, because you can't see past how cases were made in the past?

And I'm sure the magnets are strong enough to pass through thin plastic where they need to.

How arrogant
 
Why does Ive think it's acceptable for the camera to protrude? Can't lay an iDevice flat on a surface, it's tilted at a wobbly angle. Have to put a case on it to make it lie flat.
That double-wobble was the final test for the notch.
If something that ugly would be accepted on the market, anything would.
Like takin’ that mouse from behind, the Pencil v1. - rest of Hall of Shame’s inventory.
 
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Guys, they aren’t doing anything special with the screen. The corners are still square they’re just blacking out the pixels on iPad and iPhone XR
"Blacking out pixels" is far easier said then done. It's not like you can just cover up the corners with a curved piece of plastic and expect it to look good.
 
Why does Ive think it's acceptable for the camera to protrude? Can't lay an iDevice flat on a surface, it's tilted at a wobbly angle. Have to put a case on it to make it lie flat.

There could be a physical limitation at play here...you need at least some focal distance, I *think*.

Jony can wish for a 1mm thick device but real world physics are only so manipulable....
 
Why would I bother with that? I've never really been able to tell the difference the times I've tried to?

Most of the time I use headphones/headset is for phone calls or conference calls or podcasts. Or the occasional tv-show or something. I do listen to some music, but not a whole lot -- and that's usually when driving (use car speakers) or in my home office (external speaker via Airplay)

There's a benefit sometimes to NOT having "golden ears"

Yours is a good point. While BT still can’t transmit a bit rate necessary for hifi music file types, many people have hearing damage from exposure, and loss from aging. They can’t experience and appreciate the live effect of a faithful recording.

Even with healthy ears, a jack and capable headphones aren’t sufficient by themselves to deliver hifi. The codec and DAC have to be capable. The DACs in phones are understandably unimpressive. Their abilities are sufficient for the highly compressed audio codecs that allow streaming or conserve storage space.

The fact is, smartphones are a compromise in everything they do. We excuse them because of their convienence. If you expect more, you have to consider solutions that specialize.
 
You made the bezels smaller and got rid of Touch ID...wow, thank you for another brilliant design change Ivy, you coat tail riding hack!
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Jony, where's the iMac 2018? I need one really bad.

You missed the 2017 iMac all together then I see.
 
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