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Apple-Designed iPhone Modems Could Take Until 2025, Intel Confirms Interest in Its Modem Business
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Oh yeah sooner than you think, I'd say in the next 3-5 years. Samsung already has Dex which is a desktop interface of Android when you connect your phone to a TV or dummy monitor using USB C to HDMI and if you don't want to run Dex you could run a full Linux Distro, all this is in beta. I honestly expect Samsung to link up with Microsoft for a dual boot windows experience and Google's Pixels and other Androids to dual boot Chrome OS. I'm sure Apple will do iOS and Mac OS, so yea Intel's days are definitely numbered
Thanks for making me spit my coffee out at the comment about Dex, as if it's actually useful for anything or represents a threat to Intel or anyone else. Same with Chrome OS, the wannabee desktop OS.
The world runs on Windows/Intel, and that's not going to change anytime soon.
From the Steve Ballmer school of confidence!
1. Dex is useful. sorta. Kinda. maybe just a little
I've been doing some testing with it with Horizon's client. it's a neat expiriment, as it has the potential of us reducing our mobile users overhead to a certain extent. Our mobile users don't use their devices "mobile" but more just between home and work. If we are already provisioning a monitor, dock, etc, in addition to a phone. the idea here is now, just provision them the dock and peripherals with the phone. Instead of spending an additional $800 to $2000 on laptops. Still a work in progress, but so far it's got some promising for a super portable dumb terminal.
2. Chrome OS is not a "wannabee desktop OS". it's not even trying to be. It's proving to be extremely usefull though as it's currently the number one platform rolled out in public education due to its low costs, but high compatibility with web technologies and centralized management.
3. You are right on the Wintel claim though. consumers, especially smartphone consumers who aren't in tech do not realize just how much of the back end system that powers all those cloud services operate with WinTel and Linux combinations. Intel is defacto standard CPU platform for just about all enterprise
You didn't need to read this news article to conclude that LOL Just open the corresponding forum page on the reception issues with the XS!
I don’t know why you think that. Why do you keep saying that? Qualcomm is only one of many entities who own relevant IP.
As I said, all the patents Apple needs are available for license. It seems you don’t understand standards essential patents.
Just stating facts. Windows/Intel is so entrenched in so many areas that I just don't see it changing, even if Intel or Microsoft make a few blunders along the way.
I've used it on my Note 9 and don't find anything about it appealing. I know some shops who have keyboards/monitors/mice set up so an employee can plug their laptop in and gain all the benefits of the larger screen and KB/mouse. I don't see why they'd want to take a highly productive laptop (Mac or PC) and downgrade to the dismal performance of a smartphone running an OS that almost certainly is lacking many of the applications they use.1. Dex is useful. sorta. Kinda. maybe just a little
I've been doing some testing with it with Horizon's client. it's a neat expiriment, as it has the potential of us reducing our mobile users overhead to a certain extent. Our mobile users don't use their devices "mobile" but more just between home and work. If we are already provisioning a monitor, dock, etc, in addition to a phone. the idea here is now, just provision them the dock and peripherals with the phone. Instead of spending an additional $800 to $2000 on laptops. Still a work in progress, but so far it's got some promising for a super portable dumb terminal.
The promise is very appealing, though. I think Apple is the only one in a position to actually make this work. If they build macOS to run on their ARM processors, then you could have a phone what runs a full version of macOS when connected to external peripherals. Microsoft was in a fantastic position to offer something similar, except that Windows Mobile failed and left them without a viable mobile platform. Android won't succeed in this space because they lack a desktop OS to run all the "heavy lifting" software companies use.
Whether Chrome is widely used in education (which, BTW, is really only true in the US) doesn't change the fact it's far behind macOS or Windows as an actual operating system goes. It's simply too limited/restricted.
It’s not Apple and it’s users that came up with the 2021 date. It first surfaced in a December 2018 article, attributed to The Information.
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/12/12/iphones-apple-designed-modems-2021/
Then, MR started repeating it in later articles:
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/04/08/huawei-5g-chips-apple/
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/04/16/huawei-apple-had-no-talks-about-5g/
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/04/16/intel-exits-5g-smartphone-modem-business/
Feel free to loathe Apple and its users, but not because you think Apple or its fans were displaying arrogance in thinking that Apple could make a modem in 2021. That was the reporting, and only a tiny fraction of 1% of MR forum posters have the industry-specific technical knowledge to know a cellular baseband chip is a 5-7 year effort.
That said, Apple has been rumored for many years to be working on a baseband chip. If the effort started in 2015, then 2021 is plausible as an “at the earliest” availability date. But if it only began in earnest last year, then 2025 is a much better estimate.
yeah, not really trying to argue any of that
I'd never live with ChromeOS. but for people who do nothing but browser based activities, it's fine enough. I'm not saying it's going to replace a full fledged OS for the rest of us. To me, ChromeOS is similar in it's utility to iOS. things purpose built for it work great. But it's not meant as general computing.
As for Dex. it would make sense for a thin client style setup where local compute power is irrelevant, and the individual doesn't need a laptop for portable use cases. EG, "work from home" users who do all their work via citrix/Horizons or other thin style terminal. the actual computational device their working on is completely irrelevant since it's all centralize. in reality a raspberry pi would be enough
. But in the particular use case I'm thinking about, we're already giving out company paid cell phones anyways.
That's what happens. The bigger/more money an organization has, the slower it becomes. Companies, government, institutions of higher education, it happens. There's a "sweet spot" they surpass and become basically useless.
It takes amazing management to right that kind of ship. Managers that typically don't exist because they promote from within too much with just career politicians, career administrators, etc.
Qualcomm is one of many entities that hold patents essential to implementing a 5G modem. They don’t have the most patents, but they do have the most valuable ones. During the FTC trial iirc, we learned Apple was paying Qualcomm five times more for their standards-essential patents than all the other patent holders combined.
But Qualcomm agreed, as a condition of their patents being included in the global cellular standard, that they would license them on fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory (FRAND) terms. All patents incorporated into the standard have this requirement, whether it’s Qualcomm, Huawei, Samsung or any of the other patent holder.
These so-called standards essential patents (SEP) are all available for license to any device manufacturer that wants to incorporate that technology.
One woman can make a baby in nine months, but nine women cannot make a baby in one month.
That it will be impossible... for any company on the planet to produce, due to technological limitations??
Ummm.... I think your predictor is broken.
Just because Apple couldn’t get it to work doesn’t mean it is impossible.
It does when you're captured inside Apple's reality distortion field.
Oh for sure, for sure!!! =)
I’m certain that nobody else has done it b/c there’s zero market for it.... wait- then I wonder why so many people were upset when it was cancelled.
Hmmmm...
/so much sarcasm
And what do you have in mind? The successor of today's smartphone will be what exactly?
1. Chinese would block the purchase. They already blocked Qualcomm's purchase of NXP.
2. What about Android phone vendors?
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Most of Qualcomm's SEP patents are for legacy standards like CDMA, 3G, etc.
Qualcomm isn't that strong in LTE and a minor player in 5G SEP portfolio.
Yes, Apple still needs to sign SEP license agreements with the likes of Ericsson, Nokia, Samsung, and Huawei to commercialize its 5G modem.