We know that he didn't care about designing anything since at least the iPhone X era. He didn't even address his own team members when they wanted help or asked questions. All he did was roaming around the Apple Park doing who knows what while they were still building it.
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Apple Designing More Functional Products Since Jony Ive's Departure, Argues Bloomberg Reporter
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Jony needed to go long ago. If you want form, by a work of art. You can have form with excellent function too, just look at Ferrari cars. But for too long Jony emphasized form over function in such a way as to greatly hamper function. Maybe Apple will start listening to its customer base and making the devices much more usable even if form has to suffer a bit. Will they? Who knows. I do expect Apple to continue to sell items that require a lot of expensive add-ons so they can make even more money, and functionality will probably continue to suffer from their “profit over all else” business plan.
But above all else, Apple needs to get the code to an acceptable and usable level. Squash the damn bugs and make the various OSes operate as similar to one another as possible.
But above all else, Apple needs to get the code to an acceptable and usable level. Squash the damn bugs and make the various OSes operate as similar to one another as possible.
Ive had disengaged for years before his departure. The return to scissor keyboard in 2019 instead of redesigning butterfly for the 10th time was probably the first obvious public clue.
IMO, the designers should listen to what's technically needed in a device and then create a usable gadget that fits those requirements. If it's also a work of art, so much the better. It seemed for a time that Apple was working the other way around, creating beautiful objects with limited functionality. Ive has stated numerous times his belief that tech gadgets have to be functional, so I'm not sure how that philosophy seemed to fade. But I'm glad it's back.
Somewhere between form over function and slave to convention is a happy medium that Apple sometimes gets right, but occasionally gets horribly wrong.
Mac Book Pro is for Apple users that leans somewhat more towards function than form.
For example, they rather have a fast computer than one that is light weight and thin. That's why it was wrong to remove the HDMI-port and the SD-reader. Those that leans more towards form can buy a Mac Book Air
That said, I hope Apple is working on getting rid of the notch. It's not only ugly, but the camera should be behind the display, so you look into the eyes of the person you are talking to. That's the best function.
For example, they rather have a fast computer than one that is light weight and thin. That's why it was wrong to remove the HDMI-port and the SD-reader. Those that leans more towards form can buy a Mac Book Air
That said, I hope Apple is working on getting rid of the notch. It's not only ugly, but the camera should be behind the display, so you look into the eyes of the person you are talking to. That's the best function.
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No. The iPad Pro's bezel is taller than the new MBP. Also, and most importantly, the iPad Pro is thicker than the MBP's lid, so you can fit more of the camera's component in that space. The solution in the MBP is to place the rest of the camera system to the sides of the camera lens.
"Form over function" is always treated in the forums like it's a one OR the other thing. It's not that the people, like me, who want function DON'T want design, we just don't want the design overriding the aspects that make it functional.
For example, I love thinner laptops as much as anyone, but if "thinner" means sacrificing battery, or having a worse keyboard, or losing ports I need, then I'm happy to have a little thickness. At the end of the day, a sheet of aluminum with an Apple logo stamped on it would be AMAZINGLY thin, but it wouldn't let me do my work.
The designers should work with the team to make the device as aesthetically pleasing it can be, without losing the features that make it functional. Ideally, nobody WANTS a notch in their phone/laptop display, but if it has to be there to accomodate the camera, then design it so that it is as good as it can be within those constraints. (For me, I'd live without a camera at all on my Macbook. I don't use it. But I realize I'm probably in the minority.)
If you design first, and tell the engineers to fit within the design, you end up making compromises on usability. Puck mouse, anyone?
For example, I love thinner laptops as much as anyone, but if "thinner" means sacrificing battery, or having a worse keyboard, or losing ports I need, then I'm happy to have a little thickness. At the end of the day, a sheet of aluminum with an Apple logo stamped on it would be AMAZINGLY thin, but it wouldn't let me do my work.
The designers should work with the team to make the device as aesthetically pleasing it can be, without losing the features that make it functional. Ideally, nobody WANTS a notch in their phone/laptop display, but if it has to be there to accomodate the camera, then design it so that it is as good as it can be within those constraints. (For me, I'd live without a camera at all on my Macbook. I don't use it. But I realize I'm probably in the minority.)
If you design first, and tell the engineers to fit within the design, you end up making compromises on usability. Puck mouse, anyone?
What’s the size of the gap between the iPad Pro screen and the physical edge of the tablet? How does that compare to the MacBook Pro’s?
(Reads like those questions at the end of a chapter to “test your knowledge” LOL)
Well i agree iphone 13 has more battery, less thin yes but yeah more battery that's more important. Now if we talk about no bulky phones.... samsung fip 3 comes to my mind.
The new remote is functional?
Definitly you havent try to pause / play the video in the night, without aby lights on.
Or turn volume up - and accidentially pressed the „minimalize” button (or whatever the button name is).
Definitly you havent try to pause / play the video in the night, without aby lights on.
Or turn volume up - and accidentially pressed the „minimalize” button (or whatever the button name is).
Not really though. Other than the new MBP which got some additional ports, and maybe the iPhones for getting a bit thicker/heavier as a tradeoff for better battery life, I can't really think how they've drastically moved to function over form. They're mostly just recycling the same Ive-era designs over and over.
You consider Apple sticking with something 5 years and 1 day as caving? If you stick with something that long in the tech world and still can't make it work, you're either way too early or you went in the wrong direction altogether.
Unfortunately, apple products will be uglier and less modern. Apple goes backwards.
Absolutely agree. I also think the iPhone 13’s are slightly thicker than the 12’s which was due to prioritizing a bigger battery. Glad Apple is focusing more on the customer experience and less on the ‘Ive’ wow factor
The notch exists on the 2021 MacBook Pro so that in 2024 Apple releases a notchless model to give people a reason to upgrade their still capable machines.
I knew that it was time for Apple to change the way it designed products back in 2013 with the trash can Mac Pro. That thing was 100% design over function and it was a junk design compared to the cheese grater that it replaced.
It doesn’t exist on the iPad Pro because:
A: The border has to be thick enough so you can hold the iPad comfortably without random inputs from the sides of your fingers.
B: you can hold the iPad in four different orientations.
With a MacBook, not only is the lid thinner than an iPad, making there less room to stack modules on top of each other, but you don’t touch the screen, meaning that the border can be as thin as possible without any usability issues, and it’s only in one orientation, meaning that the only thing that has to be changed is the menu bar.
With the iPad, you can use it in portrait, landscape, or even upside down. A notch wouldn’t be able to seamlessly blend into the operating system, because you can use it in so many different ways. With the MacBook, you can, the only thing up there is the menu bar.
This is great design/ How many times you charge mouse? Ugly port is visible all the times.Good Riddance Jony Ive.
