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Not always, sometimes those two got carried away a bit.
Hockey puck mouse: at the time called one of the worst mouse in history.
G4 Cube: absolutely beautiful but extremely expensive and prone to overheating, discontinued exactly one year after introduction.
iMac G4: again absolutely beautiful, but prone to so many issues that it was discontinued two years after introduction.
iPod shuffle third generation: absolutely no buttons, extremely horrible usability, buttons came back only a year later.
iPhone 4 antenna: do I even need to talk about this one?
I owned a G4 Cube, I loved that machine. Unfortunately it got nuked in a lightning storm! :oops:
 
SD slot allows non-photogs to add bulk storage for cheap. Adding 1TB of storage for occasionally accessed data for a few hundred bucks is worthwhile. U1 speed is plenty fast for that purpose.
I've never thought of SD as being permanent external storage. Too fragile. It is there for the convenience of popping it in. Whether its from a camera, or just has some data on it from another machine.
 
The new products generally have been great design-wise with a BIG exception and that's the new iMacs..I still can't believe how bad they look vs previous gen iMacs..HUGE bezel..removal of that beautiful Apple Logo..they just look like a prototype and I honestly can't believe they approved this design after generations and generations of amazing iMac designs by Jony Ive.
I also dislike design of Airpod Max..doesn't look pretty at all.but M1 iMac design is really shocking.
 
Ive was good with Jobs as counterpart. Alone he is not a capable. Just listen to any interview – he has nothing relevant to say. Neither as a designer nor as a human being.

Cook had to wait to get rid of him, since he needed the criticism from the media and the customers to 'let him go'. Had he done it a year or two after Jobs' passing while Ive was still misinterpreted as a gutu, he would have been tarred and feathered...
I agree with you, as a designer sometimes the client rejects ideas and forces you rethink them. Ultimately resulting in a better finished product. I always got the impression that Steve Jobs got the best out of Jony. I do wonder when Steve passed, if Apple just looked to Jony and never challenged him because they didn't have that relationship and hoped Jony would just do what he did.
 
Apple started caving to the mob since Ive left. Everything thicker and heavier, obsolete ports being put back… the golden era of Apple design has gone. We’re headed towards being Dell with a notch. But hey the YouTubers will be happy, so…
So agree with you ;( apple will become (or already be) a company like the other , without the past feeling . Very good computer and product but without soul
 
I have to wonder who at Apple is doing the sign-off on the overall design language now, as it seems like a mess when viewed as a whole?

The iPad Pro‘s, Airs and now Mini, and iPhones 12 and 13 are home runs as far as I’m concerned design-wise. The M1 iMac has a similar form factor (hard edged modern look), but then uses questionable color choices, especially the white bezel.

The Watch is clearly a remnant of the past rounded edge design (which was born out of the rounded edge iPhones of the day), which I can’t imagine will last much longer and should have been updated this year, imho.

The new MacBook Pro designs clearly aren’t an evolution from the previous form factor, and instead look more like something from the 2000’s, so they have almost no familial similarities to any other current Apple product, which seems really strange to me. Looking at my 2013 rMBP 15”, it has the same hard edged, flat sides look as my M1 iPad Pro, and in fact they’re almost the exact same thickness (bottom case edge compared to the edge of the iPad Pro), so I suppose you could argue that the current iPad Pro / Air / Mini form factor is an evolution of the design language from the 2010’s.

I look at the renders of what the potential new MacBook Air might look like, with it’s thinner profile and square edge design and think that is exactly what I would want to see in a modern, updated, MacBook Air…except I’m doubtful that they’d go this direction, especially now that the high end workhorse MBP’s have taken on a decidedly retro look.

It wouldn’t make sense for them to have these separate design languages going, with what I consider a more modern, hard-edged, design getting used for a consumer focused product and the new rounded case design being used for high-end professional use. It would make more sense if they updated the MBA to have a more rounded design that follows the form of the the new MBP’s.

It’s certainly possible that having a number of different design languages was part of their plan, regardless of whether Jony Ive was there or not, but I doubt that is the case. If I had to guess, what we’re seeing is that there isn’t a single current voice at Apple dictating design at 30,000 feet and instead they’re making products as they come up for re-design how ever they see fit, regardless of whether they have any similarity to their other products.
Or maybe not every product that Apple makes needs to look identical?
A blocky Apple Watch might look cool and match with their iPhones, but in real life, it would get caught on sleeves and would be an absolute pain while working out, and they probably realized this. And that’s why they decided to stick with the rounded off design.
Same with several of their other products. The AirPods case isn’t squared off, the HomePod isn’t squared off, the Apple TV remote has flat sides but has a rounded back.
Apple has never, ever had a fully uniform design, even during the Steve Jobs era.
Just pick a random year, let’s say… 2009.
The iPhones had black or white glossy back casings, whereas the iPods had colored stainless steel ones.
The MacBook Pro and iMac had a unibody design, but the white plastic MacBook and the Mac mini did not.
So yeah, just because some of Apple’s products have gotten more squared off over the past two years doesn’t mean that needs to happen with all of them.
 
The new products generally have been great design-wise with a BIG exception and that's the new iMacs..I still can't believe how bad they look vs previous gen iMacs..HUGE bezel..removal of that beautiful Apple Logo..they just look like a prototype and I honestly can't believe they approved this design after generations and generations of amazing iMac designs by Jony Ive.
I also dislike design of Airpod Max..doesn't look pretty at all.but M1 iMac design is really shocking.
Even with all the time we've had to get used to it, the M1 iMac is still shockingly bad when viewed next to the rest of the lineup.
 
"Form over function" is always treated in the forums like it's a one OR the other thing. It's not that the people, like me, who want function DON'T want design, we just don't want the design overriding the aspects that make it functional.

For example, I love thinner laptops as much as anyone, but if "thinner" means sacrificing battery, or having a worse keyboard, or losing ports I need, then I'm happy to have a little thickness. At the end of the day, a sheet of aluminum with an Apple logo stamped on it would be AMAZINGLY thin, but it wouldn't let me do my work.

The designers should work with the team to make the device as aesthetically pleasing it can be, without losing the features that make it functional. Ideally, nobody WANTS a notch in their phone/laptop display, but if it has to be there to accomodate the camera, then design it so that it is as good as it can be within those constraints. (For me, I'd live without a camera at all on my Macbook. I don't use it. But I realize I'm probably in the minority.)

If you design first, and tell the engineers to fit within the design, you end up making compromises on usability. Puck mouse, anyone?
Larger battery is in tension with another functionality - lightness. So thinner is functional and form. For me these laptops seems heavy. Everything is a trade off.
 
Nothing of proof here... Jony designed plenty of Macs loaded with ports -- most notably all those legacy machines made prior to the 2012 retinas that had no shortage of ports.

Heck, the 2006-2008 MacBook Pros prior to Unibody had full-size DVI ports... what an ugly sucker that port is.
... he did, until Jobs died, and he realized he could get away with not having the ports. In the context of the time and where he was at the company, leaving out ports wasn't something he could have done no matter how much he wanted to.

When its was 'all Ives' ... the ports went "POOF"!
 
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But the card reader…that’s just silly.
and quite usefull.

I've never thought of SD as being permanent external storage. Too fragile. It is there for the convenience of popping it in. Whether its from a camera, or just has some data on it from another machine.

Ideally we'll see an SD-microSD adapter that is flush with the edge of teh Mac, as was avaiable a while ago when SD slots still existed. This allowed having a microSD card inserted all the time without risk of damage. Very useful to the backup to it with CCC and QRecall so if you have an SSD failure or mess up a document you still have a backup. With SD card sizes now even a Time Machine backup is feasible.
 
I think there is a lot of hate going on about Jony and I know that I don't care for many of Apples latest designs that he was involved with. With that being said, I think him and the rest of the design team were doing some amazing stuff before Jobs even came back. Apple had already begun working on the translucent plastic styles and the there is no doubt in my mind that the iMac saved Apple. Steve Jobs gets a lot of praise for getting Apple functioning again but Ives and the rest of the design team were just as crucial.
 
And in other news, bear poops in the woods.

While I may not agree with all their choices (SD card is of minimal value, HDMI should have been 2.0, and the notch is just stupid), others make a ton of sense (real keys, performance, battery life). On balance? Heck of a lot closer to optimal than it's been since we got the 'thin and light exclusive to everything else' design.
 
I've never thought of SD as being permanent external storage. Too fragile. It is there for the convenience of popping it in. Whether its from a camera, or just has some data on it from another machine.
There are MicroSD adapters for Macbooks that are completely flush. I used one as a media drive in my 2012 cMBP for 8 years until I sold the machine recently. Cards keep getting bigger and cheaper until my last card was a 256GB for under $40.
 
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The new products generally have been great design-wise with a BIG exception and that's the new iMacs..I still can't believe how bad they look vs previous gen iMacs..HUGE bezel..removal of that beautiful Apple Logo..they just look like a prototype and I honestly can't believe they approved this design after generations and generations of amazing iMac designs by Jony Ive.
I also dislike design of Airpod Max..doesn't look pretty at all.but M1 iMac design is really shocking.
Personally, I love the new iMac design.
 
I‘m thinking they’re making the notch part of their brand identity.

“Unmistakably apple“
You mean the notch they didn't put on the iPad, iMac, Watch or Display & analysts say will be gone from the iPhone in a few years. The only reason a notch was added the new MacBook Pros was the maximise the available screen area. Specifically adding extra on top to accommodate and laying the the ground work for future FaceID implementation. Once they hide the notch on the phone expect the MacBook to follow suit in an all new model in 3-5 years. The notion that the most known brand on earth needs gimmicks the be recognised is ridiculous.
 
I’m loving the undoing of all the Less that Apple added over the past 10 years or so…less thickness each year, less ports each year, less keyboard action…which too often resulted in less functionality.

Hoping Apple soon next undoes all the Less they added to the software interfaces!!

Go Apple!

Go (stay) away Jony!
 
You mean the notch they didn't put on the iPad, iMac, Watch or Display & analysts say will be gone from the iPhone in a few years. The only reason a notch was added the new MacBook Pros was the maximise the available screen area. Specifically adding extra on top to accommodate and laying the the ground work for future FaceID implementation. Once they hide the notch on the phone expect the MacBook to follow suit in an all new model in 3-5 years. The notion that the most known brand on earth needs gimmicks the be recognised is ridiculous.
I think the idea is a different one: to bring macOS and iPadOS/iOS together over the next years, the Mac needs to lose the menubar entirely. I really think that the goal is in the end one operating system on all devices (technically it always has been the same OS, just with different UI kits). And the first step has been done: the menubar is not in the regular screen area anymore.
 
Good Riddance Jony Ive.
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Yes, yes, yes.

I f---ing hate this mouse design. I mean what idiot came up with a design that doesn't allow you to use the product while it's charging?
 
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