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What I'd like to see with these plans..

...is an iPod Touch 3G that could use the same plans but not be a phone. This is the device I have been craving since the iPhone came out.
 
Note the "Device Number" in the second image which is a telephone number. Why would the iPad have a phone number? Is it a phone, too??

I don't know the details but every device on the cell system has a phone number, even if the device oes not accept phone calls. This would technically be the number used for SMS messages. but I don't think there is a way to do SMS on the iPad...Yet..
 
OK, I see what you are saying. I never stream videos outside of a wifi setting... any photos or videos I'd be showing off are going to be on the device itself. Seriously, why use an online photoviewer when the built-in iPhoto is so slick?

I still think the 250mb is going to be plenty for MOST users... for those whom it isn't, they can get an unlimited plan as needed. I'd have to say, though, that overall more people will likely buy the Wifi only model, making this all a rather moot point.

Agreed. :)

If I am to get an iPad (and not anytime soon) it will definitely be a WiFi only model, unless my unlimited data plan for the iPhone can be used for the iPad as well. I don't see the sense in giving AT&T an additional $30, or even $15. I'm not going to use them simulateously.
 
The bigger question is whether it's carrier-locked like the (US) iPhone. If not, the only issue is getting Micro-SIMs. If so . . . well that's a PITA. Without a carrier subsidy for the iPad, though, there's less basis for locking it to AT&T.

It is not carrier locked but the only other GSM provider in the USA does not use the same frequency as AT&T. Which is one reason it does not matter if it is carrier locked.

You can and likely will be able to get a micro-sim fom T-Mobile (the other US GSM provider) but the speed is 2G (Edge) not 3G.
 
This may be a stupid question, but is the SIM card replaceable?

Could one take the SIM associated with these data plans and install them in an unlocked (or even locked, since it's still AT&T) iPhone?

Since it's tied to ATT in the US, I would doubt there is a way to do this. Otherwise, one could just swap out the SIM for a Verizon SIM. Does this thinking make sense?

the ipad is NOT locked to anyone anywhere. so long as the carrier is GSM (Verizon is not) has MicroSim cards you should be good to go
 
I'm not positive...but remember, without 3G a GPS chip is fairly useless. Most GPS programs draw data from the internet to work. Whether it's maps or grocery store phone numbers, very few of them actually store all their information within the application itself.

So even if the wifi model DOES have GPS it won't be very useful.
I have G-Map on my iPhone and it works really well for roads out in the desert, etc. All the maps are stored on the iPhone and no network is needed. I think Tom Tom and Garmin work the same.
 
Your characterization of "flea-bag" hotel is entirely wrong, my friend. Most inexpensive hotels, even in the middle of nowhere, offer Free Internet, Free Local Calls, etc. It is the EXPENSIVE hotels that have the nerve to charge you $14.95 for 24 hours of internet service (and $1 to make a local call).

So surf away for free at Motel 6 in Beatty, NV, but expect to pay big time at the Venetian in Vegas.

But I understand your point. :)

Perhaps I wasn't clear. (I see that I was not, actually.)

I meant "flea-bag" not as in "cheap" but as in "these jackholes are trying to charge me $10 for intnert."

So, yes, I meant the expensive ones. You are totally correct there. The more you pay for the room, the less likely your internet will be free. Crazy.
 
No, I'm almost positive (read 99%) you can use the existing 3G network in your remote area to activate your new 3G account. No wi-fi connection needed.

For those asking about the "phone number", the 10-digit number is properly referred to as the MSIN. So your iPad with sim-card will always talk to the GSM network (unless it is disabled; wonder how that works for battery life). You won't be able to complete the connection and transfer data unless your MSIN or IMSI is activate. But I'm pretty sure it can connect to 911 right out of the box. But it won't do GPS on a deactivated account.

Agreed, also 99% positive. There's no reason for them not to use the 3G for sign up. When you go to Starbucks and want free wifi, you must first register a Starbucks Card. You connect to Attwifi, but the only site you can get to is Starbucks. This allows you to register but nothing more. The could and I expect would do the same for starting an iPad plan.
 
Perhaps I wasn't clear. (I see that I was not, actually.)

I meant "flea-bag" not as in "cheap" but as in "these jackholes are trying to charge me $10 for intnert."

So, yes, I meant the expensive ones. You are totally correct there. The more you pay for the room, the less likely your internet will be free. Crazy.
A good friend of mine is the manager of a luxury Las Vegas hotel. They charge for wifi not because they are cheap, but he tells me they want you out of the room and in the casino 24/7 if possible and will do whatever it takes to tempt you to go there. All the casino hotels I have been to charge for wifi.
 
Interested by what those "international" plans may be, and whether using an iPad on AT&T will require an American credit card.

I'm a Canadian who travels on business to the US a lot, and it would be worth it to be able to turn 3G access on and off.... and if the "international" add on for Canada was reasonable enough, I wold even do that, assuming I can do it with a Canadian credit card.
 
Perhaps I wasn't clear. (I see that I was not, actually.)

I meant "flea-bag" not as in "cheap" but as in "these jackholes are trying to charge me $10 for intnert."

So, yes, I meant the expensive ones. You are totally correct there. The more you pay for the room, the less likely your internet will be free. Crazy.

That is because they know that demographics for the higher priced hotels are business travelers who are on expense accounts. Such travelers just don't care. Likewise, wealthy travelers do not care either.

The lower priced "family" or "budget" hotels need to offer free internet to compete for business.

/Jim
 
I checked my iPhone and I've never used more than 71MB in a single month over the past two years, and I average about 40MB. Many times when traveling the iPhone is my only working connection. However I still use a laptop as well when I can.

I would say that 250MB would cover all my casual browsing and email with no problem.

Like you, my iPhone data usage is quite low.

I also have a Verizon MiFi card that I use to connect my laptop (and sometimes my wife's too) while traveling. I typically use about 100 MB - 225 MB per day. If we are both on our laptops a fair amount... we might use 350 MB per day. We absolutely never stream video when using the MiFi... because I do not want to burn the bandwidth. We travel a lot (up to about 50%)... and we have never hit Verizon's 5GB limit. We would easily exceed it if we streamed video.

Because of the iPad's size, I think it is quite possible that the usage will be more like a laptop, rather than an iPhone... which leads me to believe that 250MB a month will be easy to exceed except for very short trips.

/Jim
 
Apologies if this is a dumb question, but would there be any problem with buying an iPad here in the US with the aim of taking it abroad and popping in another micro-SIM there?

I.e., in a country where the iPhone is already available through local carriers (South Africa, say) -- as a baseline for compatbility in general with Apple products -- would there likely be any additional issues for the iPad, with frequency etc.?

As for the micro-SIM itself, seemingly you can just cut any old SIM down to size...

Thanks.

You just have to be careful about 3G frequencies. In the US, T-Mobile uses the same frequencies that are used in Europe, AT&T does not. So if you buy an iPad ready to go on AT&T, it won't be able to do 3G in Europe. If South Africa uses the same 3G frequencies as Europe, you would want to wait to get a European (or South African) one.

The way I see it, most places that I am going to be using the iPad will have Wi-Fi and since it will do everything that my iPhone can do, I can now get a real phone (that I can place calls on) on Verizon, until the Verizon iPhone comes out in June.

June of what year? :eek:
 
Most excellent. This is a cell plan I might actually use time to time. I live in a rural area with no coverage. Normally I have no desire for cell. I just use my WiFi for data at home and at hot spots. But I were traveling I would likely turn on this plan for a month. Great job, Apple!
 
I just pulled out my last four AT&T bills to see how much data I am using with my iPhone. Unless I don't understand the bill correctly, I am using between 90,000 KB and 247,000 KB's per month - that's 90 to 247 MB's per month?!?!?!?!

I have no idea how I am using that much. I rarely use You Tube (certainly not even on a monthly basis) and don't stream music. I surf the web and play games on it. I don't do much emailing on it, let alone with pictures and maybe a few texts per month. It's connected to a wireless router both at work and home.

In any event, I was thinking I could get away with the 250 MB plan, but if I am using this much with my iPhone then the iPad will need more.... I am missing something?

I am very glad to see how they have set up the 3G access and billing, however.
 
I just pulled out my last four AT&T bills to see how much data I am using with my iPhone. Unless I don't understand the bill correctly, I am using between 90,000 KB and 247,000 KB's per month - that's 90 to 247 MB's per month?!?!?!?!

My read is that you're NOT using that much! Commuting regularly by train when I've got a power adapter at my feet causes my data use to skyrocket, easily past 1GB.
How often are you on Wifi or with your laptop?
 
I just pulled out my last four AT&T bills to see how much data I am using with my iPhone. Unless I don't understand the bill correctly, I am using between 90,000 KB and 247,000 KB's per month - that's 90 to 247 MB's per month?!?!?!?!

I have no idea how I am using that much. I rarely use You Tube (certainly not even on a monthly basis) and don't stream music. I surf the web and play games on it. I don't do much emailing on it, let alone with pictures and maybe a few texts per month. It's connected to a wireless router both at work and home.

In any event, I was thinking I could get away with the 250 MB plan, but if I am using this much with my iPhone then the iPad will need more.... I am missing something?

I am very glad to see how they have set up the 3G access and billing, however.
My last 4 months have seen a monthly iPhone data usage of: 183 MB, 161 MB, 230 MB, 215 MB for an average of 197 MB.

As previously stated... that is about my daily usage of my laptop using my existing Verizon MiFi. Given that the iPad usage is likely to be somewhere in between my iPhone and my laptop... I cannot imagine that the 250 MB plan would be sufficient.

Furthermore, if I was to stream video to my iPad, then it might actually exceed the usage of my laptop.

/Jim
 
It is pretty easy to find a wifi spot to sign up, if you have already left home. Any mcdonalds/starbucks/airport etc.
Yes, but see that's the point. My reason for not getting just the wifi version is, what if I'm in a location that DOESN'T have wifi, and I need to get on the internet; it'd be sweet to be able to just sign up on the spot for my one-month plan.

Dave
 
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