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Apple Details iPhone 5 LTE Carrier Compatibility

The set up in the UK is simple.

EE, the new 4G LTE network in the UK, which will use 1800Mhz, launches later this year. It's the only network you'll be able to use the iPhone 5 on if you want 4G.

Orange and T-Mobile remain as 3G brands, so if you don't want 4G, use either of those.
 
Westyfield2 said:
UK

So the frequencies it supports LTE on are 2100 MHz, 1800 MHz, 850 MHz. http://*****apple.com/iphone/LTE/.
Everything Everywhere are launching their early 4G on 1800MHz in a couple of weeks time :D.

When the Ofcom auction happens next year for the other networks spectrum that's going to be 800MHz and 2600MHz... So the current iPhone 5 handsets will never do LTE on anything apart from Everything Everywhere!
LTE on O2/Vodafone when it finally launches will require a different handset... whether it's a iPhone 5S or iPhone 6 or whatever.
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Yeah, no love for France's upcoming 4G networks either, they are all four on the 2600 (band 38) and 800 (band 20) MHz bands...

Maybe Apple will release a new model in early to mid-2013 to address those markets ? Seems like a huge oversight from them if they don't do it. In that case, I'd better hold off until they release it...
 
so why couldn't they just do a 'world phone', like they did with 4s?

(sorry i am not too familiar with all the network stuff)
 
kyjaotkb said:
Yeah, no love for France's upcoming 4G networks either, they are all four on the 2600 (band 38) and 800 (band 20) MHz bands...

Maybe Apple will release a new model in early to mid-2013 to address those markets ? Seems like a huge oversight from them if they don't do it. In that case, I'd better hold off until they release it...
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Hmm, maybe it might be OK... I guess it depends on whether the carriers are actually using 800MHz, or they're doing 8xxMHz... and whether the iPhone 5 only does 850MHz or it'll also do 8xxMHz. Though by the time Ofcom auction off the 800MHz spectrum here in the UK and the carriers then launch it, we’ll probably have iPhone 5S/iPhone 6 by then!


"GSM-850 uses 824–849 MHz to send information from the mobile station to the base station (uplink) and 869–894 MHz for the other direction (downlink). Channel numbers are 128 to 251.
GSM-850 is also sometimes called GSM-800 because this frequency range was known as the "800 MHz band" (for simplification) when it was first allocated for AMPS in the United States in 1983.
The term Cellular is sometimes used to describe the 850 MHz band, because the original analog cellular mobile communication system was allocated in this spectrum."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands

http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=115 also.


Unfortunately all the Ofcom UK documents I've seen just call it 800MHz rather than specifying the exact frequencies they'll be auctioning. I know it won't be between 863–865MHz though, as that's the European harmonised de-regulated licence-free spectrum for PA Wireless Microphones/IEMs.

That said, surely the 800MHz networks would be speaking up by now if the iPhone 5 will work on their now & future networks...
 
I'm still so confused as to how this all works. I'd love to convert to an iPhone from Android. The reason I have a droid is because Verizon offered double data for 4G smartphones a few months ago. Don't get my wrong, I do like my HTC Rezound.

However, early next year I'll be living in Germany for a few months. Will I be able to use my phone abroad through Verizon and not pay super high rates? Or can I like put in a different SIM card to use in Germany and do something cheaper?
 
Any Germans had a talk with Deutsche Telekom support line already?
I tell you: call them and hear what the new LTE options sound like, you'll be shocked, laughing and swearing.

I mean, Speed Option on Complete Mobil L (sensible tarif) gives you an extra 1GB on top of your standard 1GB now for the same 10€ now.
Before with UMTS it was an extra 4GB.

That's ridonculous!

Let's me burn through my "month" now in 80 seconds (or 160s)! Whoohoow!
100MBit/s of "reaching 64k goodness" in a zapp!
That's the speed of LTE for ya.

Cheers mates...
I suggest you call them and complain, maybe they'll change something about it.
I did complain, stay kind though, the operator wasn't in charge nor in the conference room when the bubbleheads made that up.

Guess with 5G we'll be on an extra 200 megs in the Speed Option at that pace :p

Glassed Silver:mac
 
yusukeaoki said:
Im surprised Apple is still giving service in Korea
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So just because Samsung is Korean, they should stop selling iPhones for all Koreans since everyone in there is a Samsung fanboy/fangirl by default and wouldn't buy Apple products anyway, right? Or like how Apple should stop selling iPad's and iPhones in China because that Proview dispute just to "punish" Chinese people for defying the all mighty Apple? :rolleyes:

It's kinda funny how people are always saying BS like this every time there's some issue that isn't in favour of Apple (like EU warranties etc.) and suggest that Apple should give up on those huge profits that they are making in those countries just to give a lesson to people who didn't have anything to do with the issue in the first place.
 
Sincci said:
So just because Samsung is Korean, they should stop selling iPhones for all Koreans since everyone in there is a Samsung fanboy/fangirl by default and wouldn't buy Apple products anyway, right? Or like how Apple should stop selling iPad's and iPhones in China because that Proview dispute just to "punish" Chinese people for defying the all mighty Apple? :rolleyes:

It's kinda funny how people are always saying BS like this every time there's some issue that isn't in favour of Apple (like EU warranties etc.) and suggest that Apple should give up on those huge profits that they are making in those countries just to give a lesson to people who didn't have anything to do with the issue in the first place.
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lol BS? Im talking about lawsuit here boy.
China's "mock iPhone 5" company has already claimed that they will sue Apple if they sell the 5 in China since they were the first ones to make it.

In Korea, obviously Samsung won the lawsuit by Apple.
Why? Because it was American Company v. Korean Company.

If I was the company, I would just give up on the country.
Why give them product if they are effing with what you created?
Copying, suing, etc etc, why even care about them?

We all know Apple didn't like Samsung and their judge.
Also they stopped shipping RAM from Korea.
 
yusukeaoki said:
lol BS? Im talking about lawsuit here boy.
China's "mock iPhone 5" company has already claimed that they will sue Apple if they sell the 5 in China since they were the first ones to make it.
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yusukeaoki said:
If I was the company, I would just give up on the country.
Why give them product if they are effing with what you created?
Copying, suing, etc etc, why even care about them?
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Luckily, you aren't the company since that would be extremely bad business decision. Leaving HUGE markets like China, Korea (and apparently now even Japan since Samsung didn't lose the lawsuit in there) and their profits just because Apple has some issues with a companies from those countries would be really idiotic thing to do, not to mention how childish it would look like.

It's funny how you mix the companies, countries and their citizens in the same pile and claim how those people don't respect Apple's products. Sounds a bit like racist to me to accuse everyone in China/Korea for copying and suing Apple (who sued Samsung first and have been copying things from other platforms too). But hey, let's just stop selling stuff in UK, Germany, Italy, Australia, Japan, China, Korea, Taiwan etc etc since they don't deserve anything, screw the profits. ;)

yusukeaoki said:
In Korea, obviously Samsung won the lawsuit by Apple.
Why? Because it was American Company v. Korean Company.
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Btw, in Korea both companies lost the lawsuit, and it didn't matter to them that Samsung is a Korean company.

yusukeaoki said:
We all know Apple didn't like Samsung and their judge.
Also they stopped shipping RAM from Korea.
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Which judge? Lucy Koh? But she ruled in favour of Apple! Also, when Apple stopped getting memory from Samsung, they went to Hynix which is... A Korean company! :D
 
milan03 said:
Both since I have two lines lol. AT&T because I have unlimited data, and Verizon because it covers my roaming habits :)

If you're looking for a single device and live in the US, go for Verizon as it'll offer unmatched LTE coverage(371 markets, 400 by year's end), nationwide 20Mhz of 700Mhz, and much more reliable voice, and it comes in handy with roaming.
Also Verizon is expected to overlay their entire network with LTE by mid 2013, and with their track record, they'll most likely exceed that deadline (that originally used to be end of 2013). At that point, they'll start deploying LTE-Advanced and VoLTE, and slowly sunset their CDMA network, and refarm/repurpose 2G/3G spectrum for additional LTE carriers.
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Hi Milan,
Thank you for thoughts and advice. Even though I have AT&T's unlimited data plan, I think I am switching over to VZN for the reasons you stated (I'm also in Los Angeles). Just wanted to give you a heads-up on an article from PC Mag which says iP5 will not support HD Voice (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2409672,00.asp). Guess we'll have to wait for the 5S or 6. Thanks again.
 
minchman said:
Hi Milan,
Thank you for thoughts and advice. Even though I have AT&T's unlimited data plan, I think I am switching over to VZN for the reasons you stated (I'm also in Los Angeles). Just wanted to give you a heads-up on an article from PC Mag which says iP5 will not support HD Voice (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2409672,00.asp). Guess we'll have to wait for the 5S or 6. Thanks again.
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My pleasure!
As far as HD voice, Sprint's announced 1X-Advanced voice support which will enhance their call quality, but that's still going over their CDMA network. Neither Verizon nor AT&T are gonna rush with this until VoLTE which (as it looks right now) Verizon should be first to implement in 2014. AT&T hasn't announced any concrete plans as of now.
Basically they'll be using wideband codecs and transport them over data network (LTE) instead of circuit switched GSM based, or CDMA. When that happens, Verizon will start refarming their huge 800Mhz and 1900Mhz 2G/3G spectrum holdings for LTE-Advanced supplemental deployment and aggregation. At some point during this decade, they'll completely phase out CDMA.

"HD Voice" is still just a moniker since it really hasn't been standardized, and it really hasn't been rushed to since people are using voice less and less.
 
macUser2007 said:
Thanks for the link, milan!

Does all this mean that the CDMA Model A1429 unlocked should also work with the upcoming T-Mobile LTE/HSPA+ deployment?

Because if it will, then there is little reason not to pick the Model A1429.
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It wouldn't support T-Mobile's LTE band 4 unfortunately. It would give you access to their refarmed 1900Mhz 3G network.
 
milan03 said:
It wouldn't support T-Mobile's LTE band 4 unfortunately. It would give you access to their refarmed 1900Mhz 3G network.
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Ah, O.K., the Model A1428 (GSM) it is, then :)

Thanks again for the help in sorting out this network support mess.
 
I'm confused - people here seem to think that because the CDMA phone covers the Asian bands (1,3,5), that it will also get LTE in the Asian countries. If so, why doesn't the Apple LTE page say those carriers names for the CDMA phone? They are only listed next to the 1429 GSM.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/
 
It's been talked about in the earlier posts.
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I've read the earlier posts. No one seems to address the issue that on Apple's LTE page, the Asian carriers are not listed next to the CDMA phone, even though the correct bands are listed. I could see how this could lean either way - is there a definitive answer?
 
stylishgeek said:
I've read the earlier posts. No one seems to address the issue that on Apple's LTE page, the Asian carriers are not listed next to the CDMA phone, even though the correct bands are listed. I could see how this could lean either way - is there a definitive answer?
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read this: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6295/...ous-voice-and-lte-or-evdo-svlte-svdo-support-
Yes it's the same PCB, same bands in both models, except that in Asian model the Sprint/VZW bands could potentially be disabled or not. The CDMA model has all 5 bands enabled and active, even listen on Apple site.
Transceiver Apple used only has support for 5 Bands.
 
milan03 said:
You won't be able to use Global GSM model on Verizon's LTE since it only support Global bands. On the contrary, if you go for CDMA model, it'll support ALL of those Global bands in addition to Verizon and Sprint LTE networks in the US.

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I assume West LA you mean Los Angeles? If that's the case, AT&T only has 10Mhz of their Band 17 LTE spectrum which will have speeds up to 37mbps in that area. That means once your neoghbours start buying them iPhone 5's and start populating that AT&T limited spectrum, you're about to hate life lol :)
On the other hand, Verizon has deployed 20Mhz of LTE in LA with speeds up to 73mbps which is gonna take that hit much nicer. Not sure about your area, but here in NYC I can hardly ever complete a call on AT&T, and use my Verizon line whenever I'm making any important call.

It's too early to answer your last question though. Verizon iPhone 5 will cover all the GSM/HSPA frequencies for AT&T's network, as well as GSM/EDGE on T-Mobile and in some areas their HSPA on 1900Mhz they're in process of refarming. If we look at the iPhone 4S, then Verizon will most likely lock down domestic GSM providers from their phone, but if we're looking at the iPad 3, either Verizon or AT&T model played nice with all of our US carriers. Verizon iPad actually accepted AT&T's SIM for HSPA+ access!
We'll see.
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Thanks Milan. Got a massive update for you:
In Singapore APPL is selling the CDMA+GSM version after speaking with folks @ APPL.

My suspicion is there are actually only 2 iPhone 5 variants. Just to make it clear to consumers they are presenting the "rest of the world" one, CDMA (VZN) and ATT version.
 
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