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This may be very interesting if it happens. I see lots of hacks developing...
 
defeats the purpose of a SIM.

With a SIM, I can use my phone on any account with an activated SIM. Just swap it in there. Want to loan the phone to a friend? Put in their SIM. Want to use your account with a phone that has different features (maybe a better antenna or something) just swap your SIM. Want to have multiple accounts for different purposes - just use the appropriate SIM.

I have actually seen a real good purpose for SIM card use with the iPhone. A company provides a mobile phone account - and maybe provides data and tethering - but has strict rules regarding personal use of the company's phone plan. So you could use your company SIM while on company business, but have a personal account, and when you are not on company business put in that SIM and use the same iPhone but over your personal account...

I have also had a person come to visit who forgot their phone charger and instead of buying a whole new charger for a short visit I could let the person just use my phone when needed by popping their SIM in my phone... So they wouldn't suck up my minutes and data...

There are lots of legal reasons you could want to use a removable SIM - it is the whole reason why the technology exists.

If Apple goes down this road, they are betting that most people *dont* have a use for a removable SIM. I would bet they are probably right - but I still think it is a mistake... The whole point of SIM is that all of your account and network settings are transferable from device to device.

Now, if like someone said - you could have multiple SIM profiles and swap between them with a software switch? That would be awesome - although it might make an "impromptu" switch harder (like for a friend's phone)...
 
This would be good if it were to allow data for several carriers to be downloaded onto the SIM card so that users could switch when they cross borders as easily as switching to a different Wifi network. I have SIM cards for five countries. I would love to be able to switch among them in the Settings app.
 
locked sim card ok with me.

Hmm, unless it is easy to reprogram your SIM to different accounts/networks, I really don't like this idea.

Although if Apple can use that $50b to start a worldwide iPhone network, I'd be up for that... *Not happening though.

Lock away Apple, only give me the ability to change carriers thru iTunes... for a price I can stomach. It will all be cloud driven to automatically trace your use to a convenient carrier thru iTunes I would suspect. I see no beef with this advancement.
If it is this way.
 
I think everyone is looking at this the wrong way. Apple's way would remove the need for the physical chip… it would all be done via Settings. It's like the concept behind cloud computing… you can save your documents to the cloud, just as you would't need to rely on the micro-SIM for the use of your service.

If any other handset company tried this, the carriers would get very upset. Apple can make this a condition for a future Verizon/Sprint/T-Mobile phone, and it will be the domino effect from there.
 
No more proprietary crap, please!

This post is on behalf of people like myself who TRAVEL OVERSEAS:

Please, Apple, no more of your proprietary crap. The iPhone is arguably the best cell phone ever created. But if you make a proprietary SIM card, we will not be able to use our iPhone with the ubiquitous prepaid SIM cards in foreign countries. (BTW, Apple, that is why you should also sell the iPhone unlocked.)
 
I think Apple is only getting the "buying experience" out of carriers stores and into the Apple stores. It is all about getting people into their stores and where they can sell add-ons (one MacBook maybe).
The SIM funciton will be the same, you can still take this card out and use your other one.
 
Apple media

They're going to beome a media carrier like AT&T and Comcast. All streaming so they dont have to create such a large footprint with cables. The sim card holder is for an Apple sim card. Apple is going to take over tech world in 2011!
 
I don't like this idea at all. While it might save space and placement of the chip can be moved from the side to anywhere apple want.
I do (very rarely but still do) sometimes take my sim out to use in another device. This just cripples this flexibility which is so useful and sometimes essential to my needs.
Do we know that it cripples flexibility? Maybe instead of putting in a different SIM card, we just go the providers webpage or send an SMS to the provider to 'switch' your internal SIM to one associated with this new provider.
 
You get off the plane, your iPhone detects your location by GPS and tower info. You log in by WiFi, your iPhone takes you to a page where you can choose the carrier and plan you want. It is automatically billed to your iTunes account.

Your iPhone is locked in your home country, when you are not in a place covered by your home network, it becomes unlocked until you are.

Edited to say,

How about an external SIM card reader that will let you load a SIM from another iPhone?

RE edited to say,

The external SIM card reader could read the micro or mini SIMs. You could use the SIM from an original iPhone or one from an iP4.
 
A built-in SIM would lock the phone onto a single carrier in a single country, even after your contract runs out, after which you would legally be able to use other carriers' SIM cards, but like this you won't be able to.

But from the description of the article (and the article itself) this is not a built in SIM card. The better description is that it is a reprogrammable SIM card. It would defacto do what you do now when you swap cards. The only hang up is that this company , Gemalto , would have to do the swapping for you. Probably some app would "contact the mothership" to their servers for an update. Retrieve your "other" SIM ID and subscription info ( or get new one if first time in country) and then reprogram the internal SIM card with new ID and info. When you go back home, it "contacts the mothership" and flips it back.

So instead of carrying 2-4 SIM cards with you everywhere, there would be this cloud service that flipped you to the right SIM ID on demand. The carriers aren't squeezed out necessarily. Just changing the logistics of allocating and distributing SIM ID cards.


I'm not sure the phone companies are going to buy into trusting Gemalto to do this. SIM cards are secure because you cannot reprogram the information. There would have to be some buy-in to the fact that only Gemalto can pull off changing the IDs. You'd also need to pragmatically to either do the flip before you left your old zone or find some WiFI spot to "contact the mothership" on. [ card swapping is easier because can just jump onto carriers network with ID/info on the card. ]

Where the article is wrong is that the carriers are out of the loop. If Gemalto doesn't establish the SIM ID as being valid on the carrier, you are not going to get service. So the carriers would have to either rely on Gemalto does the SIM ID provisioning or there would be some way for the carriers to do remote provision the ID (although that has problems too since would have random devices requesting IDs at each carrier. ).


The only solution would be if ALL carriers in the world agreed to stop using SIM cards and use an alternative software identification system instead. This would take ages to adopt.

No. This would be transparent to the current SIM cards. The deployed infrastructure it would still be a SIM ID. It doesn't matter how the ID gets to the phone, just so long as it is valid and secure.

The only thing that is not transparent is the initially programming and reprogramming of the card.

It is the same system. Just changing how program and distribute the cards.


If the carriers have to buy alot of equipment for this vendor to do provisioning I can see it as a problem. If done as a service that would be less of a problem, if it can get past the security vetting process.


Of course, with the current iPhone, you're locked into using one SIM anyway, so it doesn't really make a difference: you can't change SIM cards even if you can physically take it out.

Right this won't change carrier lock down because they are still in the loop.
 
It doesn't matter in the UK. The stolen phone's IMEI is blocked when reported so it won't work on any of UK networks.

Actually this would be great for the protection of any data on the phone. My phone was stolen recently and although I have a Mobile Me account, I couldn't get to a computer fast enough before the SIM card was popped out (or device turned off) and I was unable to track with "Find my iPhone." This setup prevents a would be thief from simply popping out the SIM card, and means if they try to turn it back on, a signal ought to be waiting to wipe any data or trigger an alarm.
 
Let's face it, people like you make up maybe 1% of users. They are not going to design their items solely with users like you in mind. They are going to try to sell the most phones to the most people, regardless of the design. They will not worry about losing 1,000 users if they gain 2,000 in the process.

Only if you consider only the US market. Apple's international sales as part of their total is growing. They need easy operator/SIM switching if they want this to fly in Europe.

The number of people here who live in one country and travel across the border to another for work, or travel frequently for work, or family, or take a new job in a different country.......is much, much higher than 1%. I cannot count on both hands the number of people I know who live in Germany and work in France, or live in Switzerland and work in Germany, etc. Commuting to another country for work is a fairly normal thing here.

A dumbphone approach might work for the US or China, not the rest of the world.
 
I don't like this idea at all. While it might save space and placement of the chip can be moved from the side to anywhere apple want.
I do (very rarely but still do) sometimes take my sim out to use in another device. This just cripples this flexibility which is so useful and sometimes essential to my needs.

I was thinking that this was a good idea until I read that very valid point. What happens of the iPhone goes tits up or breaks? Long gone is the option to simply remove the sim and slap it into another phone. good on paper yet impractical.
 
most people i know travel a lot and just pay the 599€ straight-up. its much less expensive in the long term.

I don't know a single German iPhone4 owner who bought it in Germany from T-Mobile. All of them bought them in Switzerland, or online from the UK for full retail and just cut the SIM to use with Vodafone or O2.
 
We might be missing the bigger picture here... a virtual sim card would allow the phone to quickly change between carriers on the fly.

What if apple were to purchase minutes in bulk from all of the major carriers and instead of signing up with AT&T or Verizon for your phone plan you now sign up directly with apple and pay your monthly bill through iTunes. The virtual sim could decide which carrier has the best signal or cheapest price at given moment / location.

They now become a virtual carrier while they spend their $50B to build an apple owned 4G network. This would allow apple to control the entire customer experience and they could stop this nonsense of voice data vs text messages vs internet vs tethered internet mess we have today.

Imagine a world where you pay $99 a month for 5GB of data regardless of what it's used for?
 
Couldn't they potentially make another section in Settings (or do it under the Carrier section in Settings) for "switching SIMs" so that it would work with whatever carrier supported it? That way you don't need to physically switch anything, you just open up Settings and change it to the other carrier.
 
@ bghoward,

That sounds cool, I don't know how it would work. The phone number is attached to the network. When your phone swapped from ATT to Verizon, your phone number would change.

They might be able to do something with forwarding, I would think it would cause ring lag.
 
Won't fly in EU due to legislation. If you buy SIM free iPhone you have to be able to use it with every service provider. So is Apple going to have every single carriers data stored with in iPhone?
 
Its already a PITA swapping sims in iPhone 4 because most carriers still use regular sims, an embedded SIM would epitomize the annoyance/inconvenience.
 
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