Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
You don’t think enterprise customers that have their own displays wouldn’t utilize this category of Mac, that would be a odd thought. This mentality of iMacs and laptops are adequate for all needs is contrary to business usage. It started back in 2005 with the PowerMac G5 that was renamed Mac Pro. Apple through the following years constrain us to accepting only their limited product lines over what business typically deploy in offices. I do agree that the latest MBP and iMac are quite useful for a lot of purposes, but neither suits the enterprise like a good desktop.
For most enterprise customers that have their own displays, most of those displays are connected to PC laptops of varying capability that the employee can take with them and easily work remotely if they’d like. Another large chunk are connected to Mac laptops of varying capability. Very few of enterprise machines are desktops.

COULD enterprise customers utilize it? Yes. But, Apple’s sales (as provided by analysts as Apple doesn’t report breakdowns by product) show that desktop headless systems make up a sliver of Apple’s sales. Are there a few enterprise customers buying thousands of headless Macs for their server rooms or other purposes? Surely. But, a few thousand Macs in server rooms are still dwarfed by the millions of just MacBook Air’s in use.

Apple doesn’t focus a lot on desktops outside of iMacs because the numbers of those systems sold are tiny in comparison to everything else Apple sells. It’s not a “mentality” that iMacs and laptops are adequate for all needs, it’s a fact that, of the systems that Apple sells (that’s across consumers, education, and enterprise), over 80% are mobile systems.
 
No, this isn’t the minitower everyone’s been waiting for. :) Many have been waiting for something affordable with slots. I’m fairly certain this will be priced higher than those folks would be willing to pay and will have little, if any, internal expansion. It may not require $700 wheels or $300 feet, BUT it could very well start at $7K and go up from there.
Yup, the majority of us have been begging for a Centris/Quadra650 slotted between the (Performa)Mini and Pro(Quadra 950). One high speed expansion card slot (double wide) would be .. meh.. enough, but two slots where you could pick between using two regular width/profile cards or one double wide card would be better? Three slots where you could use three standard width cards or one wide card and one standard profile card would be freaking perfect?

But…

If we didn’t get the unicorn “headless iMac” in the Intel Mac era, when it would have been obnoxiously easy for Apple to make and then sell them by the metric butt-load…I don’t think we ever will.

Sigh.

If Apple proves me wrong, that would be great, but, even if Apple did finally make it, getting drivers for any of the cards many of us would want to use will probably be harder now than during the Intel Mac era. So?

Wait. That almost ensures that Apple will do exactly.. damnit.

/me screams in HyperCard, QTVR, Aperture…

Sigh.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Unregistered 4U
It will be interesting to see the price of this next to the price and specs of the highest end 27 imac. A 7k screen is going to be just way beyond 99.999% of our budgets though. maybe the cube with a couple of LG 5k panels would be a reasonable way to go. Well, then again probably not when a cube is maxed out it will likley be absurdly priced.
 
This is what I have been saying . 1 Apple product line scales from "slow" performance to peak performance . peek performance ....

same as the MacBook, MacBook Pro line ...

Peek Performance = Mac Mini Pro .. The new Mac Pro Cube .. Up to 16 TB SSD, 128 Core GPU and 48 Core CPU,

A scalable unit that start at Mac mini size and scales upwards until it looks like a cube

starting at 200 GB Sec bandwidth, 400, 600, and soon 800 and 1.6 TB

smallest unit 256 GB SSD all the way up to 16 TB
 
  • Like
Reactions: jwdsail
This could be announced soon but not right now. Something so legendary like this wuld require the whole pro community’s attention and what better time than WWDC 22.
 
It will be interesting to see the price of this next to the price and specs of the highest end 27 imac. A 7k screen is going to be just way beyond 99.999% of our budgets though. maybe the cube with a couple of LG 5k panels would be a reasonable way to go. Well, then again probably not when a cube is maxed out it will likley be absurdly priced.

I would estimate a max config ASi Mac Pro Cube would be about US$7.5K
  • Dual M1 Max SoCs
  • 20-core CPU (16P/4E)
  • 64-core GPU
  • 32-core Neural Engine
  • 128GB LPDDR5 RAM
  • 800GB/s UMA
  • 8TB SSD
  • Six TB4/USB4 (USB-C) ports
  • Four USB 3.1 Gen2 (USB-A) ports
  • Dual 10Gb Ethernet (RJ45) ports
  • 3.5mm audio output jack
If Apple decides to go with LPDDR5X RAM, then add another US$6K to go to a maximum of 512GB RAM (with 1TB/s UMA)...?
 
So it took this long for Apple to figure out that most users can't afford a $30K Mac Pro? Hopefully the new "Mac Mini Pro" will not require $700 wheels or $300 feet. Maybe even include the feet at no charge.
My feeling is that they might keep the Pro model for Intel / major graphics card compatibility, and introduce a new model to have it Apple silicon only.

Performance wise they can probably do something that easily matches grown up desktops in a much smaller package. But not everybody may be ready / not all use cases might be supported (e.g. support for tons of monitors)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Argoduck
It will be interesting to see the price of this next to the price and specs of the highest end 27 imac. A 7k screen is going to be just way beyond 99.999% of our budgets though. maybe the cube with a couple of LG 5k panels would be a reasonable way to go. Well, then again probably not when a cube is maxed out it will likley be absurdly priced.

Unless they are adding a bunch of enterprise hardware (ECC memory, etc) or more dedicated media encoders, a computer with the same chip as the MBP and with no screen should be cheaper than the MBP no?

The MBP M1 Max is $3.5k so maybe we are talking a starting price of $3k for this? Same as the 2013 Mac Pro.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Argoduck
For most enterprise customers that have their own displays, most of those displays are connected to PC laptops of varying capability that the employee can take with them and easily work remotely if they’d like. Another large chunk are connected to Mac laptops of varying capability. Very few of enterprise machines are desktops.

COULD enterprise customers utilize it? Yes. But, Apple’s sales (as provided by analysts as Apple doesn’t report breakdowns by product) show that desktop headless systems make up a sliver of Apple’s sales. Are there a few enterprise customers buying thousands of headless Macs for their server rooms or other purposes? Surely. But, a few thousand Macs in server rooms are still dwarfed by the millions of just MacBook Air’s in use.

Apple doesn’t focus a lot on desktops outside of iMacs because the numbers of those systems sold are tiny in comparison to everything else Apple sells. It’s not a “mentality” that iMacs and laptops are adequate for all needs, it’s a fact that, of the systems that Apple sells (that’s across consumers, education, and enterprise), over 80% are mobile systems.
In my last post I made reference to Apples Mac Pro line, which as we know became more expensive as time went on. The 2013 was a interesting redesign, but I think it damaged Apple's reputation of supplying business solutions with Macs. The 2019 was a great improvement back to workstation form, but the base price and what it costs to configure it along with that 5K monitors was in way of excess the costs associated with pricing out some config for a 27" iMac.

I have owned Mac Pros, iMacs, and MBP's. When I say there is a need, don't try to spin this is all you need is supported by their current Mac mini/MBP/Imac/Mac Pro line up. This is precisely the reason why so many Mac mini users want something more capable. There are also all the people out there forced to use a iMac because the Mac Pro is just too expensive.

The time has come for Apple to return to this part of the marketplace.
 
All I'm thinking is that I still use a Mac Pro from 2010 and the CPU performance (have the 6-core version) is in most cases not bad for my usage – a 12 year old computer.

It has been upgraded with an NVMe SSD, an AMD RX 5700 XT graphics card and it has 32 GB RAM. I've also added a PCIe card that gives me two USB-C ports with USB 3.2 Gen 2.

It can run Monterey well (with some modifications).

Anyway, my point is that the ability to upgrade the graphics card has helped a lot in keeping graphics performance up to speed over the years. I really think being able to do that in a desktop computer is a good thing since it seems the CPU outlive the GPU by a quite a lot. I wonder if Apple will let us do that in the Mac Pro Studio? Hope so.
 
Last edited:
I would estimate a max config ASi Mac Pro Cube would be about US$7.5K
  • Dual M1 Max SoCs
  • 20-core CPU (16P/4E)
  • 64-core GPU
  • 32-core Neural Engine
  • 128GB LPDDR5 RAM
  • 800GB/s UMA
  • 8TB SSD
  • Six TB4/USB4 (USB-C) ports
  • Four USB 3.1 Gen2 (USB-A) ports
  • Dual 10Gb Ethernet (RJ45) ports
  • 3.5mm audio output jack
If Apple decides to go with LPDDR5X RAM, then add another US$6K to go to a maximum of 512GB RAM (with 1TB/s UMA)...?
Think you are almost right ... Maxed out version ...

  • Quad M1 Max SoCs
  • 40-core CPU
  • 128-core GPU
  • 64-core Neural Engine
  • 256GB LPDDR5 RAM
  • 800GB/s UMA
  • 16TB SSD
  • Four TB4/USB4 (USB-C) ports
  • One Multispeed 1/2.5/5/10Gb Ethernet (RJ45) port
  • 3.5mm high impedance audio output jack
 
So it took this long for Apple to figure out that most users can't afford a $30K Mac Pro? Hopefully the new "Mac Mini Pro" will not require $700 wheels or $300 feet. Maybe even include the feet at no charge.

Wasn't it the starting price of the Mac Pro of $6k that was expensive, as I recall the prices of the high end configurations were in tune with competing workstation solutions, as least as we edge closer to the $30-50k configs?

And the outrageous wheels (and that monitor stand) were probably not meant as much else than low volume items to maintain an image of exclusivity. Businesses who move them around a lot often use wheeled cabinets that can be opened for airflow. Anyway, I'm still waiting for 3rd party Mac Pro Lion feet.

What many comments here have been asking for over the years is a "desktop" mac for regular users between Mini and Pro, so they could use their own screens and have decent specs. It'll be interesting to see how prices and configs will look like.
 
If this is a mini Mac Pro with user-upgradeable parts, Apple can take my wallet and take what it likes. However, this has all the hallmarks of a product that they will support for 3 years, only incrementally upgrade twice, and then abandon because of comparatively low sales. Be warned!
 
Think you are almost right ... Maxed out version ...

  • Quad M1 Max SoCs
  • 40-core CPU
  • 128-core GPU
  • 64-core Neural Engine
  • 256GB LPDDR5 RAM
  • 800GB/s UMA
  • 16TB SSD
  • Four TB4/USB4 (USB-C) ports
  • One Multispeed 1/2.5/5/10Gb Ethernet (RJ45) port
  • 3.5mm high impedance audio output jack

Rumors have been that the quad M1 Max SoC is not feasible, so only a dual SoC configuration for the initial ASi Mac Pro (Cube/Studio/whatever)...?

But with a quad SoC config, wouldn't the UMA bandwidth double again, to 1.6TB/s...?

And the various Mac Pro models have had dual Ethernet since day one (late 2005 G5 Power Mac was actually the first Power Mac / Mac Pro with dual Ethernet ports)...

The high/low impedance (auto-switching) audio jack would be sweet, but a return of the 3.5mm/optical combo jack would also be sweet...?
 
  • Like
Reactions: jwdsail
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.