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Apple Disabling Support for Intel Atom Processor in Latest 10.6.2 Build?

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It's Apples software which is suppose to be installed only on Apple branded hardware. I do not see why people are upset. Maybe they didn't read the EULA.
 
Edmar said:
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It's Apples software which is suppose to be installed only on Apple branded hardware. I do not see why people are upset. Maybe they didn't read the EULA.
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If you're building a Hackintosh, you already have disregarded the EULA. So the EULA doesn't even enter the discussion for them. If the 10.6.2 change is real, then it becomes a real inconvenience for some Hackintosh users, though I am sure they'll find a way around it.
 
this is great news, I was gonna buy a dell mini 10v for fun..thanks apple for saving me money, love you guys.. :apple:
 
Bubba Satori said:
The North Korea of the computer world strikes again. :mad:
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Well, they stop support for a processor type, they have not sold and actually don't plan to sell anymore. Wow, what a story.

Wish we had the same vigorously shouted out arguments with dropping PPC support - any other frustratd G4 users here?
 
namoeg said:
If you're building a Hackintosh, you already have disregarded the EULA. So the EULA doesn't even enter the discussion for them. If the 10.6.2 change is real, then it becomes a real inconvenience for some Hackintosh users, though I am sure they'll find a way around it.
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Just save the old kext and copy it to the new 10.6.2, that should solve the problem. :rolleyes:
 
Peace said:
This is one of the main reasons Apple should have NEVER switched to the Intel platform.

And a testament to the fact that MacRumors is becoming an arm of the hackintosh community.
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I can't help but agree to both. The intel switch has been good in respect to the fact that you can now run Windows on a Mac, etc. However this whole Hackintosh movement where they want OS X for $30 to work on any hardware is stupid.

MacRumors does seem to be transforming into an arm of hackintosh.
 
Won't this just make Leopard (10.5.8) the OS of choice for Atom hackintosh netbooks? From what I've seen, the performance gains between Leopard and Snow Leopard on Atom are minimal. Plus, the Atom is only a 32-bit processor anyhow.

I suppose I'll just keep my Mini 9 with Leopard - it seems that by the time major application developers stop supporting 10.5.8, it will be time to replace the Mini anyhow.

Although Ubuntu is looking better and better - that would give it some extended life as well.

Like others have said, I'm surprised it took Apple this long. I wonder if they're going to do the same for Leopard and couch it as a "security update?"
 
FoxyKaye said:
Won't this just make Leopard (10.5.8) the OS of choice for Atom hackintosh netbooks? From what I've seen, the performance gains between Leopard and Snow Leopard on Atom are minimal. Plus, the Atom is only a 32-bit processor anyhow.

I suppose I'll just keep my Mini 9 with Leopard - it seems that by the time major application developers stop supporting 10.5.8, it will be time to replace the Mini anyhow.

Although Ubuntu is looking better and better - that would give it some extended life as well.

Like others have said, I'm surprised it took Apple this long. I wonder if they're going to do the same for Leopard and couch it as a "security update?"
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Atom in nettops is 64-bit. Atom in netbooks is 32-bit though (no idea why they removed support for it).
 
macduke said:
IS NOT PIRACY!

I'm getting so sick and tired of people saying that using software that you purchased is piracy. I can do what I want! Get off my back.

I'm usually a rather calm person but the way everyone right now is trying to control my life, from Apple to the United States government, is really starting to piss me off.

Go ahead and flame me, but I could not care less.
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You obviously care or you wouldn't have replied as you did. On the same note, if you pay for the software, there is no reason you cannot install it wherever you see fit. Apple will eventually lose those battles too.
 
uberamd said:
I can't help but agree to both. The intel switch has been good in respect to the fact that you can now run Windows on a Mac, etc. However this whole Hackintosh movement where they want OS X for $30 to work on any hardware is stupid.

MacRumors does seem to be transforming into an arm of hackintosh.
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Well, they break the EULA, get a free ride for a while, and then when they get to the end of it they cry foul. Sorry, no free lunch.

And if EULAs are suddenly meaningless to them (because it happens to be convenient in their case), the majority of software manufacturers (including MS), and anyone who depends on the integrity of IP law to make a living would have something else to say.
 
Tilpots said:
We call this "particular market" the Hackintosh netbook community. If Apple doesn't see it as a threat, why go through the trouble of disabling it?
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Makes them look hypocritical in front of Psystar, when they're not taking steps to deal with infringement from other channels. Apple doesn't need to go after hackintosh users legally, but allowing them a free ride without sending a message now and then doesn't help Apple's cause.
 
*LTD* said:
And if EULAs are suddenly meaningless to them (because it happens to be convenient in their case), the majority of software manufacturers (including MS), and anyone who depends on the integrity of IP law to make a living would have something else to say.
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Thats so true. So many Hackintosh people say "Well the EULA is bogus, it's my software I can do whatever I want with it because I said so! Screw the EULA!" That is entirely comical. I don't agree to the speed limit signs so I think I will drive as fast as I freaking want. Any fine I receive is also bogus so I think I won't pay it. That is the mindset of Hackintosh people.

They are very good at convincing themselves what they are doing is legal and morally right.
 
convergent said:
These kinds of conversations always amaze me. We're developing more and more a world culture of entitlement. The companies are bullies and we are the victims. This is ridiculous. A company develops something and sells you the right to use it, with conditions. You buy it. You don't like the conditions. So you then claim the company is a bully. Can't people act like intelligent adults anymore?

The reason Apple is Apple is because they sell whole solutions. The micro-second that they start breaking that model, their brand will be ruined permanently. Do you think you won't hear complaints from everyone on the planet that they are having problems getting OSX to work on brand xyz hardware? Of course you will... because everyone feels entitled. There is no way Apple could sell it as an "at your own risk" solution, because they would get hammered daily for problems ... some of the same problems Microsoft has by trying to boil the ocean and run on every piece of hardware known to man. So IF Apple allowed their software to run on other hardware, then they would have to support it. That isn't free. In fact, it would cut deeply into their ability to provide the excellent support they do today on their own hardware, and would cause their whole experience to go down hill fast and/or become much more expensive.

Apple sells whole solutions. You don't like that, then don't buy Apple. It has pros and cons, like everything. But whatever you decide, please stop WHINING about Apple being a bully, or whatever.

I still say the best solution to all of this is for Apple to release a license of OSX that they allow to run on 3rd party hardware, and set the price at whatever the current price is for the most expensive Mac Pro. So you can buy it, if you want to pay for it. They can produce a half dozen copies of it so they have one in stock in their inventory, one at Amazon, one at MacMall, etc. Then they can nail everyone to the wall that tries to run the version licensed only for Apple hardware on their 3rd party hardware.
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Thanks for the level-headed and most rational post I've read on this topic so far. I have been itching to respond to some of the posts here, but you've basically put down what I've been thinking. People forget that they are acquiring an RTU (right to use) license, they are NOT purchasing the software per se! Apple has every right to put conditions on the use of this license - if you don't like it, don't buy it. Welcome to the free world where supply and demand determine the success of a product...
 
*LTD* said:
Apple's numbers dont suggest the "hackintosh community" has any bearing whatsoever on Mac sales. They're inconsequential from a market perspective. And they have no voice because they're circumventing Apple's rules. And when it comes to the Psystar case, it miht not reflect too ell on Apple that Apple is actively pursusing Psystar while taking no measures of their own to at least make a show of putting in place mechanisms that prevent unauthorized use elsewhere. Apple's not going to actively go after hackintosh users legally, but there's no reason thehy shouldn't make it more difficult for others to circumvent Apple's measures.

Again, if it won't reflect in the numbers, it won't really matter. All of this assumes the update actually breaks compatibility or otherwise disable's support. So far it's unsubstantiated.

Hackintosh hobbyists have always operated outside of Apple's rules and have been unsupported and unendorsed by Apple, save for acting as guinea pigs by testing new and different hardware, perhaps. They're aware of the risks. Now they might actually materialize. Apple is within their rights.

Whatever happens, the bulk of Apple's market will baerly notice. Hackintoshes are an enthusiast phenomenon confined to small corners of the internet. It's unauthorized tinkering. Unfortunately, there aren't enough hackintosh users to make a market impact one way or another, but there certainly are enough to make Apple seem hypocritical when it comes to enforcing its own policies.

This is just a rumour for now, anyway, But it's no big deal. Hackintosh users will find a way around this, should it materialize. They've been doing exactly that up until now.

Some of them, however, might actually have to get a Mac like the rest of us.

As for the netbook market, Apple missed nothing. They completely crushed the notion of missing anything about it. Apple bypassed the entire netbook market and no one even cared. What did consumers do? Hand them more record quarters. In a recession.

So much for netbooks.
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Good argument and I agree with you. That being said :apple: always downplays any niche sector and later on releases a product to compete in the same niche sector that they deny having no interest in competing in. This is typical :apple: secrecy 101. For example, stating that smartphone and any type of Newton device was not a market they were interested in, then rumours of a smartphone and years later voila the iPhone and iPod Touch. There is little to no evidence that they will release or not some form of an internet based tablet that will either run the iPhone OS or Mac OS X.

Remember during one of the invitations to the WWDC events they had a SF Golden Gate bridge splitting into two directions, I believe and many have also on this forum is that iPhone OS is a lite Mac OS X, and for mobile devices this is the approach :apple: have already decided on. They would not invest so much into the iPhone OS only to release and support the iPhone and iPod Touch. Think iPhone, iPod Touch, :apple:TV and quite possibly an :apple:Tablet.
 
There is a real difference between the variety and authority of control various governmental layers are having on us, virtually all of which are objectionable and anti-constitutional, and what Apple, a private commercial firm is doing.

Without getting into the whole EULA thing, Apple owns a commercial property known as an operating system. If Apple did not couple its hardware with its software for a variety of purposes including its business model on pricing, the ability to offer a partially closed environment to simplify debugging, and others, it may and likely would charge more for the OS. In fact I think they should charge a HIGH price for its shrink wrapped OS. ONLY offer low cost upgrades to known serial numbered pieces of hardware.

But until it does, when you buy it you are not buying ownership. Property can be sold, rented, leased, or given. They chose to lease it to you, not to sell it to you.

However open you feel things should be they are closed despite you. You are NOT buying a copy of a piece of software to do with as you wish. You are leasing it for use on a particular range of hardware.

May I get a copy of some IBM or Catia $50,000 piece of software and run it for free on my mom's PC? I think not. Hey if I can, send me an external HD. :D

Rocketman
 
I certainly hope this is Apple's attempt to get rid of these hackintosh people. It's bad enough they come here and brag about what they've created with non-Apple hardware as if they have the full rights to do it. :rolleyes:
 
This will make Microsoft happy. People will be left with the decision either to buy an $1100 laptop from Apple or spend $200 on Windows 7 to use their current hardware. I've used Windows 7 and OS X, and I just have to say I really like Windows 7 a lot.
 
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