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Hello, AoW. I don't own an Apple Watch (yet). Are you saying that a Bluetooth headset/Apple Watch combo is as good or better than an iPod?

Can you download a playlist of songs to it? Or, do you have to stream the music from your phone?

I really wanted to hold out until the next upgrade of the Apple Watch. But with the discontinuation of the iPod Shuffle and Nano, I may buy one of the smaller Series 2 watches now and then keep it as an iPod replacement once the Series 3 is released.

For strictly playing music, the AppleWatch is nowhere near as good or better than an iPod. For starters, the AppleWatch only allows around 6 hours of playback time. That's worse than any iPod, and assumes you aren't using the watch for anything else while you're listening to music, further cutting into that listen time. And unless you're already using a late generation Shuffle, you'll be limited to only 2GB of local storage, or 250 songs, whichever you choose. The playlist is downloaded via Bluetooth, so a 2GB playlist is going to take some time, and the watch must be charging to do it. As far as audio quality is concerned, if you're already using BT with your iPod, then you should have the same experience with your watch. However, the big difference is you won't have the option to plug in a regular audio connector should your BT headphones run out of juice, or simply no BT devices available. Unlike the iPod however, the watch does have a tiny speaker which I think the latest OS allows for music playback. But if you use your iPod as a music library to plug into whatever sound system you might find, the AppleWatch won't do that. And unless you also carry your watch charger around with you, you have at most 6 hours of playback before the party's over.
 
The end of an era! Unfortunately all good things must come to an end! The Cupertino firm continues to close the iPod chapter which contributed to its success and its influence before the arrival of the iPhone.


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I made this for a mate at work, utterly hideous but was quite fun: Rose Gold with a black display. He had a display failure and wanted to use his ⌚️ without forking out for a display replacement from .

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Hey, I like that color combo. It looks much better on black than white, other than understanding you had to use the
original white home button in order for ID touch to work, blah blah blah... I actually have a housing that's a little darker version of the rose gold that would go good with a black screen.

How many complete builds have you done so far? Which model iphone do you have there in the pic? A 6 or 6s, not a plus, right. I don't have one of them docks yet, but they're nice. Wondering if that is a 4.7 that you have there then
the plus would stick off the sides of the dock, not that it's an issue, just sayin.

I've done about 20 builds thus far on the 6 series. The first couple I did were exactly that, utterly hideous, but
after I got to around the 4th one I was pretty well versed in the majority of it. Eh, as hideous as they may be
at times I have to admit I still enjoy the challenge, albeit a costly one if I mess something up bad enough.
Luckily I've been patient enough with each one that they've all came out great, everything working 100%

Check it out, I mess with housings from this guy right here: They are absolutely the best I have used.
The only gripe I have about them is they include the glue strips for the battery but they mount them to
the housing and they're the wrong way. The black tabs are supposed to go over the top edge of the
bottom of the battery. It's the only painstaking task for me, removing them slow enough to reuse them
without making a mess out of them first, you know. But all and all for the price the absolute best housings
for the money.
 
Whats going to be epic is everyones head exploding when/if apple kills 30 pin and mini-jack support for ipods in the next iTunes/music update.
 
Thank goodness for rockbox !!!!!

Explain please?
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Technology is getting smaller, faster and cheaper. Why would I want to carry a device around that only plays Music? I can already play Music directly from my Apple Watch and my iPhone.

Why would I want to lug around a massive (compared to a music player) device when I'm running or at the gym when all I want to do is listen to music? Those wide armband holders look ridiculous. So do people "working out" checking their Facebook every four seconds.:p
 
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Whats going to be epic is everyones head exploding when/if apple kills 30 pin and mini-jack support for ipods in the next iTunes/music update.

Thank goodness for rockbox !!!!!

Winglet69 said: Explain please?

Third party software to load old ipod classic 30 pin models when apple does finally kill 30 pin and mini jack support
for 5g classics and earlier that had 30 pin connectors.
[doublepost=1501682085][/doublepost]Here's my stats of the ipod collection I have thus far... ANY BUYERS ??? LOL, just kiddin...
My collection isn't going anywhere anytime soon... hell, bury me with every last one of them !!!!

---APPLE IPOD MASTER LIST----ALL STOCK ON HAND---NEW/SEALED IN BOX--------

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GRAND TOTAL: 627 INCLUDING 1ST GEN NANOS SEALED IN BOX.

-596 IPODS BRAND NEW FACTORY SEALED IN BOX.

-40 1ST GEN NANO - BRAND NEW - FACTORY SEALED

-04 1ST GEN NANO - BRAND NEW - UNSEALED - OPEN BOX

-27 OTHER VARIOUS MODELS - BRAND NEW - OPEN BOX

GRAND TOTAL = 31 BRAND NEW UNSEALED OPEN BOX MODELS

627 = TOTAL INCLUDING ALL OF THE ABOVE, FACTORY SEALED+NEW OPEN BOX
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Generation breakdown:

1ST GEN SHUFFLE: 17 TOTAL = 9-512mb, 8-1gb MODELS, 2 Clamshell - Completed collection!
2ND GEN SHUFFLE: 66 TOTAL - 53-1gb - 13-2gb - 7 Avon Gold 1gb - 21 Clamshell pkg.
3RD GEN SHUFFLE: 45 TOTAL - 15-2gb - 30-4gb 9 - Clamshell packaging
4TH GEN SHUFFLE: 71 TOTAL - *29 w/CLAMSHELL PACKAGING* 3 - NEW UNSEALED
Total shuffle count: 199

1ST GEN NANO: 58 TOTAL - COLLECTION COMPLETE! 54 - Factory Sealed - 4 New Open Box
1-1gb white, 2-1gb black, 10-2gb white, 15-2gb black, 15-4gb white, 10-4gb black
2ND GEN NANO: 22 TOTAL - COLLECTION COMPLETE!
3RD GEN NANO: 16 TOTAL - COLLECTION COMPLETE!
4TH GEN NANO: 37 TOTAL - Missing 3: 8gb purple (I have one new-unsealed), 8gb orange, 16gb purple
5TH GEN NANO: 34 TOTAL - Missing 2: 8gb yellow, 16gb green.
6TH GEN NANO: 42 TOTAL - 37 NEW SEALED - 4 NEW OPEN BOX/UNSEALED
Collection Complete! 6 Colors: Silver, Graphite, Blue, Green, Pink, (Product) Red special edition
7TH GEN NANO: 39 TOTAL - 36 New Sealed - 3 Open Box Collection Complete! as of 12-13-2016
2012 Colors - 10-12-2012 - 9 Original colors: Slate, Space Gray, Silver, Pink, Yellow, Green, Blue,
Purple and (Product) Red - special edition color
2015 Colors - 07-15-2015 - 6 Colors: Gold, Silver, Blue, Pink, Space Grey and (Product) Red color
Total nano count: 248

1ST GEN TOUCH: 5 TOTAL - Memory sizes: 8gb, 16gb, 32gb - COLLECTION COMPLETE!
2ND GEN TOUCH: 8 TOTAL - Memory sizes: 8gb, 16gb, 32gb - COLLECTION COMPLETE!
3RD GEN TOUCH: 5 TOTAL - I have all 32gb Models, Missing other 2 memory sizes: 8gb, 64gb
4TH GEN TOUCH: 24 TOTAL - 23 Factory Sealed - 1 New Unsealed - COLLECTION COMPLETE!
On hand: 1-8gb white, 4-8gb blk, 3-16gb white, 1-16gb blk, 5-32gb blk, 4-32gb white, 3-64gb blk, 2-64gb white
5TH GEN TOUCH: 43 TOTAL - 39 SEALED - 4 NEW OPEN BOX UNSEALED
5 Colors: Space Gray (Replacing the Slate color variant as of 09-2013), Silver, Pink, Yellow, Blue and (Product) RED. Black
Missing: 16gb - Slate, White, Silver and Red. 32gb - Complete 64gb - Original Slate Color? I got the rest.
6TH GEN TOUCH: 18 TOTAL - ALL SEALED
6 colors: Blue, Gold, Pink, (Product) Red, Silver and Space Gray. Released Jul 17, 2015
Total Touch count: 102

IPOD MINI 1ST & 2ND GEN: 11 TOTAL - All factory sealed brand new in box
Also another 1st gen mini 4gb silver.. factory sealed but missing UPC code for rebate offered.

1ST GEN (ORIGINAL) CLASSIC: 2 TOTAL - BOTH FACTORY SEALED, 2-5GB HOLY GRAILS !!!
2ND GEN CLASSIC: 4 TOTAL: 2-5GB, 1-10GB AND 1-20GB - ALL FACTORY SEALED.
3RD GEN CLASSIC: 1 TOTAL: 15GB MODEL - FACTORY SEALED.
4TH GEN CLASSIC: 9 TOTAL - ALL SEALED - Missing HP 60gb model.
5TH & 5.5 GEN: 24 TOTAL - 22 SEALED - 2 NEW OPEN BOX UNSEALED - Missing 60gb white, 80gb white
6TH GEN: 13 TOTAL - COLLECTION COMPLETE! - ALL SEALED
7TH GEN: 11 TOTAL - COLLECTION COMPLETE! - 10 SEALED, 1 NEW/OPEN BOX UNSEALED
Total Classic count: 64
 
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Hey, I like that color combo. It looks much better on black than white, other than understanding you had to use the
original white home button in order for ID touch to work, blah blah blah... I actually have a housing that's a little darker version of the rose gold that would go good with a black screen.

How many complete builds have you done so far? Which model iphone do you have there in the pic? A 6 or 6s, not a plus, right. I don't have one of them docks yet, but they're nice. Wondering if that is a 4.7 that you have there then
the plus would stick off the sides of the dock, not that it's an issue, just sayin.

I've done about 20 builds thus far on the 6 series. The first couple I did were exactly that, utterly hideous, but
after I got to around the 4th one I was pretty well versed in the majority of it. Eh, as hideous as they may be
at times I have to admit I still enjoy the challenge, albeit a costly one if I mess something up bad enough.
Luckily I've been patient enough with each one that they've all came out great, everything working 100%

Check it out, I mess with housings from this guy right here: They are absolutely the best I have used.
The only gripe I have about them is they include the glue strips for the battery but they mount them to
the housing and they're the wrong way. The black tabs are supposed to go over the top edge of the
bottom of the battery. It's the only painstaking task for me, removing them slow enough to reuse them
without making a mess out of them first, you know. But all and all for the price the absolute best housings
for the money.

It's a 6S, and even iPads sit on the Lightning Dock OK (although they look a bit goofy). We have to use it to run certain diagnostic tests on iOS devices at work so I got one by default.

That's my only one, to be honest I avoid it where I can and only do them if close friends want a cheaper display replacement. I always recommend official ones as they're naturally the best. It's always a kick to boot them up for the first time and see everything work, though :)
 
The iPhone SE is about the only Apple phone - or any kind of a smart phone that I would ever consider buying.

I foresaw this day would come and came to realization that Apple wouldn't make a Nano with the capacity I wanted so I purchased an iPod touch 128GB. Not ideal, but still a good music player compared to what's on the market. Other products made for lossless audio aren't an option because I live by my iTunes smart playlists.

The iPhone SE makes a decent media device. I use Cesium instead of Apple's app which is very simple and straightforward. I also use workflow to add playlists to a widget and also playlist folders. On my iPhone since it serves many purposes I only have a few in the widget. Since the iPod is only for music I plan to make more. So I don't even have to go into the device really. Just (1) wake up device, (2) swipe to widgets, (3) tap playlist.

For example, I use a "Working" playlist all the time at work. Now I can just swipe and tap "Working" and it shuffles the desired playlist. I don't know why I went into the hassle of going into an app. The second image is what it looks like when one "widget" presents a series of playlists. I tap "Artists" and then I can pick which artist playlist I want to shuffle.

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I foresaw this day would come and came to realization that Apple wouldn't make a Nano with the capacity I wanted so I purchased an iPod touch 128GB. Not ideal, but still a good music player compared to what's on the market. Other products made for lossless audio aren't an option because I live by my iTunes smart playlists.

The iPhone SE makes a decent media device. I use Cesium instead of Apple's app which is very simple and straightforward. I also use workflow to add playlists to a widget and also playlist folders. On my iPhone since it serves many purposes I only have a few in the widget. Since the iPod is only for music I plan to make more. So I don't even have to go into the device really. Just (1) wake up device, (2) swipe to widgets, (3) tap playlist.

For example, I use a "Working" playlist all the time at work. Now I can just swipe and tap "Working" and it shuffles the desired playlist. I don't know why I went into the hassle of going into an app. The second image is what it looks like when one "widget" presents a series of playlists. I tap "Artists" and then I can pick which artist playlist I want to shuffle.

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I'll be honest; I merely envisage using the iPhone SE (whenever I do invest in one) as a phone.

Even now, I still want a dedicated music player and my iPod classic still works. When it shuffles off this mortal coil, I'll perhaps invest in an iPod Touch - with 128 GB, and - if I am feeling unusually flush - a divine device from A&K.
 
if I am feeling unusually flush - a divine device from A&K.

I spent a not insignificant amount of time looking into these and other dedicated music devices before I purchased my iPod. While they're quality devices with better sound quality no doubt, the software seemed dreadful.

Further, despite the hate I have always loved iTunes for managing music and the incredible flexibility it offers. Unfortunately that means I'm stuck within type Apple ecosystem.

If a third part player could interface with iTunes and smart playlists, this would be very different.
 
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If a third part player could interface with iTunes and smart playlists, this would be very different.
And don't forget, car stereos. My 2017 Accord interfaces with my iPod Classic and postage stamp Nano perfectly. Even many current aftermarket stereos still interface with the iPod Classic.
 
I spent a not insignificant amount of time looking into these and other dedicated music devices before I purchased my iPod. While they're quality devices with better sound quality no doubt, the software seemed dreadful.

Further, despite the hate I have always loved iTunes for managing music and the incredible flexibility it offers. Unfortunately that means I'm stuck within type Apple ecosystem.

If a third part player could interface with iTunes and smart playlists, this would be very different.

Oh, agree that the software is perfectly dreadful; the effortless integration of the iPod with its ecosystem - and the sheer ease of use - (plus the superb customer service) - were all reasons that contributed to my becoming a "switcher" to the wider world of Apple having been wooed and won by the iPod some two years earlier.
 
I'll be honest; I merely envisage using the iPhone SE (whenever I do invest in one) as a phone.

Even now, I still want a dedicated music player and my iPod classic still works. When it shuffles off this mortal coil, I'll perhaps invest in an iPod Touch - with 128 GB, and - if I am feeling unusually flush - a divine device from A&K.

I don't think the iPod Touch will still be around when your iPod Classic gives up the ghost. Most likely whatever the iPhone SE has become will be the only option for that form factor, but it will be cheap enough that the cellular radio is merely a bonus should you decide to activate it.
 
I don't think the iPod Touch will still be around when your iPod Classic gives up the ghost. Most likely whatever the iPhone SE has become will be the only option for that form factor, but it will be cheap enough that the cellular radio is merely a bonus should you decide to activate it.

Well, I may purchase an iPod Touch in the relatively near future; but, I love my Classic - it has travelled the world with me and is a constant and reliable companion.

My only gripe is that it is a terrible pity that Apple never introduced a Classic with a SSD drive; the old HDD was unstable on a small - but not insignificant - percentage of classics; I had two that suffered HDD failure while still under warranty - they were replaced by Apple without a murmur, an example of excellent customer care, and one of the reasons I ultimately "switched" to Apple computers subsequently.

No. I don't plan to use a phone as a music player; the one is not the other.
 
Well, I may purchase an iPod Touch in the relatively near future; but, I love my Classic - it has travelled the world with me and is a constant and reliable companion.

My only gripe is that it is a terrible pity that Apple never introduced a Classic with a SSD drive; the old HDD was unstable on a small - but not insignificant - percentage of classics; I had two that suffered HDD failure while still under warranty - they were replaced by Apple without a murmur, an example of excellent customer care, and one of the reasons I ultimately "switched" to Apple computers subsequently.

No. I don't plan to use a phone as a music player; the one is not the other.


As much as it is a pity that apple never introduced a Classic with a SSD drive, that luckily when your Classic does give up the ghost it doesn't mean it has to be the death of it. Tarken makes a couple of awesome adapter cards for the 6th gen Classic and higher that is all plug'n'play. I've already modded several dozen Classics to SSD drives, which will undoubtedly last much much longer than the standard HDD that originally was installed in them. Pair the SSD up with a high capacity 2000mah or higher battery and you have a dedicated music player that will go over 100 hours of playtime in between charges. My current classic that I've been using for at least the past 4 years is a 5th gen 80gb logic board mated to a generic SSD adapter and a Samsung 128gb SSD. The 5th gen Classics had that "famous" Wolfson DAC chip installed in it, which gives a nice warm sound. Apple switched to a much cheaper DAC in the 6th gens and up, resulting in a "tinny" sound versus the 5th classic. But just wanted to add that when your HDD finally does crash then it'll be time to bring new life to your classic. As long as you have a 100% functional logic board when HDD finally does crash or what not, it'll be very easy to bring new life to it, not to mention way cheaper to upgrade to SSD than the price of what the HDD's used to cost back in the day. There are other alternatives to keeping your classic alive instead of having to automatically upgrade to a touch model or anything of the such.
 
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As much as it is a pity that apple never introduced a Classic with a SSD drive, that luckily when your Classic does give up the ghost it doesn't mean it has to be the death of it. Tarken makes a couple of awesome adapter cards for the 6th gen Classic and higher that is all plug'n'play. I've already modded several dozen Classics to SSD drives, which will undoubtedly last much much longer than the standard HDD that originally was installed in them. Pair the SSD up with a high capacity 2000mah or higher battery and you have a dedicated music player that will go over 100 hours of playtime in between charges. My current classic that I've been using for at least the past 4 years is a 5th gen 80gb logic board mated to a generic SSD adapter and a Samsung 128gb SSD. The 5th gen Classics had that "famous" Wolfson DAC chip installed in it, which gives a nice warm sound. Apple switched to a much cheaper DAC in the 6th gens and up, resulting in a "tinny" sound versus the 5th classic. But just wanted to add that when your HDD finally does crash then it'll be time to bring new life to your classic. As long as you have a 100% functional logic board when HDD finally does crash or what not, it'll be very easy to bring new life to it, not to mention way cheaper to upgrade to SSD than the price of what the HDD's used to cost back in the day. There are other alternatives to keeping your classic alive instead of having to automatically upgrade to a touch model or anything of the such.

That is a great (and helpful) post, and thank you for it.

I am by no means an expert on such things, but I will seek out advice - and suggestions (and will happily pay for it) when the time comes to breathe fresh life into my splendid classic.
 
No. I don't plan to use a phone as a music player; the one is not the other.
Except, there's absolutely no funcitonal difference between an SE and Touch, except the cellular radio. If in the future the SE costs the same as the Touch does now, except it has an LTE radio in it which you don't have to activate, what's the difference.

@Ipod Collector 2's post was most welcome, as it makes a lot of sense. Why not just pop in an SSD of even greater capacity? There are other things that can go wrong on the logic board, and battery, but the HDD is the most likely to fail over time. The only thing that would thwart keeping the Classic alive for many years to come is if Apple drops support for the 30-pin dock connector, and in iTunes.
 
Except, there's absolutely no funcitonal difference between an SE and Touch, except the cellular radio. If in the future the SE costs the same as the Touch does now, except it has an LTE radio in it which you don't have to activate, what's the difference.

@Ipod Collector 2's post was most welcome, as it makes a lot of sense. Why not just pop in an SSD of even greater capacity? There are other things that can go wrong on the logic board, and battery, but the HDD is the most likely to fail over time. The only thing that would thwart keeping the Classic alive for many years to come is if Apple drops support for the 30-pin dock connector, and in iTunes.

And, so?

I am old school; a phone (whatever its other capabilities) is a phone, and very often, especially when I am dining out, I deliberately forget it.

My job - when I am working - requires me to be in almost constant contact. Thus, deliberately forgetting to bring it constitutes an escape.

Whereas, for music, - some on these threads just don't get this - all I want is an excellent (and capacious) and indestructible, and ageless - music player. Nothing else.

I love music, and spend hours of my life with my iPod classic - as I am doing now, - it is playing music - Link Wray - and I am listening to it using my B&W headphones - I don't want it to make me coffee, be a radio, stream stuff, take messages, texts, play host to apps, whisper sweet nothings in my ear, I just want it to play lots and lots of music brilliantly. And nothing else. Then, that device is marked 'pleasure', 'relaxation', and 'music', in my mind.

And, oddly, cost is not the issue here; boundaries are.
 
And, so?

I am old school; a phone (whatever its other capabilities) is a phone, and very often, especially when I am dining out, I deliberately forget it.

My job - when I am working - requires me to be in almost constant contact. Thus, deliberately forgetting to bring it constitutes an escape.

Whereas, for music, - some on these threads just don't get this - all I want is an excellent (and capacious) and indestructible, and ageless - music player. Nothing else.

BINGO! This is exactly my situation. My music player is 100% music-centric. No distractions, no connections apart from the player to my ears, which is the point. Work-life balance is nearly always strained, and this NEEDS to be something that we can keep 100% life. No distractions... no connections apart from the player to our ears and psyches.

Even if I could "turn off" the work connected-ness, that would still detract from the life side of the equation. Frankly, I don't know that I'm disciplined enough to turn it off. "Forgetting" my phone can be done. Turning work off is so much more difficult to do.
 
And, so?

I am old school; a phone (whatever its other capabilities) is a phone, and very often, especially when I am dining out, I deliberately forget it.

My job - when I am working - requires me to be in almost constant contact. Thus, deliberately forgetting to bring it constitutes an escape.

Whereas, for music, - some on these threads just don't get this - all I want is an excellent (and capacious) and indestructible, and ageless - music player. Nothing else.

I love music, and spend hours of my life with my iPod classic - as I am doing now, - it is playing music - Link Wray - and I am listening to it using my B&W headphones - I don't want it to make me coffee, be a radio, stream stuff, take messages, texts, play host to apps, whisper sweet nothings in my ear, I just want it to play lots and lots of music brilliantly. And nothing else. Then, that device is marked 'pleasure', 'relaxation', and 'music', in my mind.

And, oddly, cost is not the issue here; boundaries are.

Maybe I misunderstood. All I'm saying is there's not likely to be an iPod Touch in the near future. Just an SE which may cost about the same as the Touch. In which case, you'd just by two Phones, and simply not activate the SE for use as a phone, with the peace of mind that you could call 911 in the US if you had to. You wouldn't set up Mail, or Messages, or FaceTime, any other communications app. That seems to be what you want, and the fact it had an LTE radio wouldn't change how you use it. Although, you could activate a data account only (like an iPad), just for accessing Apple Music, or iCloud, for any songs you might not carry, or fit on the phone. Or stream Pandora, or Spotify, etc. Of course then you'd be tempted use the internet on Safari, though I think you can now hide the Safari app, so in theory it wouldn't even be available to tempt you. That's all.
 
Technology is getting smaller, faster and cheaper. Why would I want to carry a device around that only plays Music? I can already play Music directly from my Apple Watch and my iPhone.

Yes, I can do it from my iPhone but I never had the "music" listening experience of the old iPods. I am a music lover and the current app and services are ruining it all.
 
I had been meaning to get a new Shuffle for years, since the dock on my old one broke. I had NO idea Apple had discontinued them until I saw this post earlier today. Checked my local Walmart and bought the last black one they had.

End of an era for sure... RIP traditional (non-touch) iPods.
 
I've always collected what i can as i can afford it. but when i heard this i went out and bought 6 shuffles. (no silver of pink, cant find any)... as the shuffle is my favorite even over my classics and 6th gen nano. I like using it without looking at it, and as a peterbuilt driver with aux. input only,, it just works. and my original silver on just died. didnt have much love for the nano (except 6th gen).... but i love my 3rd and especially 4th get shuffle. with the end if the shuffle, also comes an end to the "wheel" ,,, a sad time for me personally,
 
Also, iTunes 12.7 not longer sync's Nano run data with your Nike+ account. Nike suggests using an Apple Watch - using Nike Run Club app on my iPhone.
You could retro install iTunes to prior to 12.7 but that introduces other issues.

So to track my runs as my Nano has seamlessly done so for years, Apple (and Nike) is forcing me to buy a Watch. It's hard to view this cynically – forcing me to buy more Apple stuff. I refuse to carry my iPhone while running - for several reasons. This reminds me of the time AT&T and iTunes simultaneously stopped supporting the original iPhone about 4 years after launch.

The lack of support for syncing is "due to music and data management that has improved considerably over the last few years and iTunes no longer supports this older technology." ...I'm sure it could if they wanted it to.
 
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