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Apple Discontinues Xserve, Only Available Until January 31st
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I just bought 25 of them 2 weeks ago and now my boss is freaking out because of the lack of a roadmap. This is a disaster for people who work in large enterprises that rely on Xserves.
ibm joined the blade bandwagon too, so yes... although i would say IBM Global services is more what they focus on (support basically)
This also changes a capital purchase that I was about to make. I was going to order a $20k Promise raid unit, and use that to back up a video Xserve that we just bought. Now, I'll be looking at network storage provided on the enterprise system, and local backup tools.
Goodbye vendors that supported Apple...
Goodbye vendors that supported Apple...
Bingo.
Which is probably why they're discontinuing them.
And then there's Unisys.
http://www.fiercecio.com/story/apple-unisys-plot-get-more-business-businesses/2010-10-27
Yes, but profit, R&D costs, and cost/benefit are not concepts many MR posters really understand.
For those who can't grasp why Xserve is going to the graveyard:
Xserve was first brought to market when iPod was an experiment and Mac was Apple Computer's core business. It was when most companies used Windows Server and the less expensive to free Linux was for hobbyist. The idea was to make it a trojan horse into the corporate world. It largely failed at that.
But more than that times changed. Many companies use an Enterprise flavor of Linux for their servers. Xserve can't compete price wise. Keeping Xserve current also takes valuable R&D dollars and brains from other, more profitable Apple projects. And most importantly, Apple is no longer Apple Computer. It's just Apple, Inc. They are largely a consumer electronics company now. A niche enterprise server doesn't fit Apple's mission anymore.
As an administrator that supports Xserves, i believe all Apple needs to do is license OSX Server to run on ESX and a standard hardware platform, like HP Proliant BL460s, all our needs will be met.
I am sad to see the Xserve go, but I do not believe Apple is dropping the Enterprise side of their business.
I am sad to see the Xserve go, but I do not believe Apple is dropping the Enterprise side of their business.
umm, no.
Fact check:
Of course, Microsoft is probably running some Linux servers as well - but you tried to imply that they're only running Linux. In fact, the whole Microsoft.Com website runs on Windows.
It's not running entirely on entry-level 1U servers, of course, since big iron servers can run Windows.
Fact check:
Of course, Microsoft is probably running some Linux servers as well - but you tried to imply that they're only running Linux. In fact, the whole Microsoft.Com website runs on Windows.
It's not running entirely on entry-level 1U servers, of course, since big iron servers can run Windows.
And I work in a company that has at least 200 of them in our datacenter.
Cancel that order my friend...
They are. After this move, without the roadmap that you suggest, they are going to get laughed out of IT departments everywhere. Offering the solution you suggest even 6 months from now will be too late. Any 'tech cred' they've earned in IT departments in the last few years is gone in a flash.
Clearly they are not dropping it -- they still sell two current machines w/ OS X Server. But I think this is a signal that they are phasing it out. I would not be too surprised if 10.7 is the last version OS X Server ever developed. Then again, I wonder if 10.7 won't be the last version of OS X period. Seems a desktop iOS is the Mac's future (thinking 2014 or so).
How does that affect iPhone, iPad, iPod, and iMac sales? It really doesn't, big picture. Macs were never big sellers in corporate world and desktops are going to be as relevant as the slide rule by 2020.
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Yep, the Pro users are next. The photo/design and scientific users are a small segment compared to the iOS crowd.
My guess is that in 5 years I'll be buying 35 PCs for the graphics department that I work with.
I think many of you are forgetting that something else can be introduced in its place in the next 3 months.
Were just about to move a G5 XServe as back-up. Waiting on our recent XServe Intel purchase.
I sure hope support on this new box lasts just as long as weve had the G5.
Exactly. MacOS will never reach 11.
All we need now is for that rumored merger of Adobe with Microsoft.
You don't abandon the market and re-enter it 3 months later. Thousands of orders are being canceled right now probably.
Let me correct and expand on what I meant...
Microsoft Windows clients running Windows 7 and Windows servers running Windows Server 2008 R2 cannot join a domain mastered by a Mac OS X PDC.
The preceding is quoted from http://support.apple.com/kb/ts3235
Are you efing serious?
So much for our plan for the upcoming summer. Yea we'll just replace these with MacPros, with no redundant power supplies, no LoM and oh good we can place 2 where we used to place 12, we'll just go up our datacenter racks 6x, no prob.
They better announce that Snow Leopard and Lion Server (if it exists) will run on vSphere so we can buy Dell servers to actually give us the redundancy so we can run Apple's software.
So much for our plan for the upcoming summer. Yea we'll just replace these with MacPros, with no redundant power supplies, no LoM and oh good we can place 2 where we used to place 12, we'll just go up our datacenter racks 6x, no prob.
They better announce that Snow Leopard and Lion Server (if it exists) will run on vSphere so we can buy Dell servers to actually give us the redundancy so we can run Apple's software.
Nooooo
I manage a bank of 20 Xserves at work, and I love them. We were waiting on a refresh to update them all as well. Telling me to replace with Mac Pros simply doesn't work - wrong form factor, no redundancy.
Boo hiss.
I hear ya... You can stack 20 XServes into 1 maybe two racks. How many racks (and rack shelves) would you need for 20 Mac Pros? 4? 5? 6? That's a HUGE footprint, plus all the logistics that go with it. Not to mention the heat...
Got ya. I would imagine that the default security on Windows 7 and 2008 R2 would prevent that, but I would be surprised if you couldn't make some adjustments to get it to work. In the Security Options of the Local Security policy, there are several settings for digitally signed communications. You can even allow unencrypted passwords to be sent to third-party SMB servers, a setting that is disabled by default.
I swear to god you guys are the biggest bunch of drama queens I've ever read in my life. People coming here hoping to get some insight on things or perhaps different, thoughtful opinions, will be hit with conspiracy theories and total bat-***** crazy ideas.
Another step away from the Pro market
iVoid got it right listing the trend of "updates" that negatively affect the Pro users, this is the latest.
Perhaps Apple should take a trip to IBC some time. I was there this year and looking at all the stands you'd be forgiven for thinking MS was dead, everything was Apple based.
But now the clear moves towards chasing the consumer market make me wonder how long I have left using Pro apps on OS X. I remember when they used to demo new Macs with these apps and show bench marks about how fast they are and ideal for the Pro market.
Now it's heading down the Mac App Store route - trouble is I don't want to play Angry Birds on 27" screen I bought it to edit movies in FCP.
The glimmer of hope is we have a bit more time with XServe in the UK - no mention of the availability on the UK site - yet!
Just when our business was about to go all Mac and buy 2 XServes next month.
iVoid got it right listing the trend of "updates" that negatively affect the Pro users, this is the latest.
Perhaps Apple should take a trip to IBC some time. I was there this year and looking at all the stands you'd be forgiven for thinking MS was dead, everything was Apple based.
But now the clear moves towards chasing the consumer market make me wonder how long I have left using Pro apps on OS X. I remember when they used to demo new Macs with these apps and show bench marks about how fast they are and ideal for the Pro market.
Now it's heading down the Mac App Store route - trouble is I don't want to play Angry Birds on 27" screen I bought it to edit movies in FCP.
The glimmer of hope is we have a bit more time with XServe in the UK - no mention of the availability on the UK site - yet!
Just when our business was about to go all Mac and buy 2 XServes next month.
for the people who think Lion is the start of an iOS desktop experience with no user control, how will iOS apps be developed in such an enviroment and aren't the apps what's selling the devices?