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Anyone who thinks at this point that we're getting a OS X 10.7 Server version is probably delusional.

We'll probably be lucky if the client version of 10.7 Lion comes with a Terminal program or lets you install apps from outside the Mac App Store without hacking the system. Maybe this is something you'll purchase with a $99 developer subscription.

Everything Apple has done in the last few weeks is clearly leading in only one direction - a closed iOS experience on the desktop. People who choose to believe otherwise do so at their own peril.

I would seriously encourage everyone, developers and consumers, who do not want Apple to head down this road to boycott the Mac App Store.
 
I swear to god you guys are the biggest bunch of drama queens I've ever read in my life. People coming here hoping to get some insight on things or perhaps different, thoughtful opinions, will be hit with conspiracy theories and total bat-***** crazy ideas.

And you aren't the one whose job is on the line because you just ordered 25 systems that just got discontinued.
 
for the people who think Lion is the start of an iOS desktop experience with no user control, how will iOS apps be developed in such an enviroment and aren't the apps what's selling the devices?
Fullscreen version of Xcode that you get with a $99 developer subscription through the Mac App Store.
 
Dell, I will see you at SC2010 (have $$$ to spend)

Apple got a lot of my business... not anymore. I guess, we will buy stuff from Dell and run Linux.

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I would seriously encourage everyone, developers and consumers, who do not want Apple to head down this road to boycott the Mac App Store.

Actually, that won't make a bit of difference.

What might actually make some impact is for anyone in the enterprise to call up their Apple Rep and ask what the $&%($&%$( is going on at Apple.
 
for the people who think Lion is the start of an iOS desktop experience with no user control, how will iOS apps be developed in such an enviroment and aren't the apps what's selling the devices?

a special "Pro" version of OS X that allows you to install your own software. the iMac and MBP versions will be locked to the app store
 
Nothing Apple has done in the last few weeks is clearly leading in only one direction - a closed iOS experience on the desktop. People who choose to believe otherwise do so at their own peril.

Fixed that for ya.

Seriously, what's with the wild conspiracies theories flying around about Mac OS X turning into a closed system? There's no logic in there, I can tell you that for certain.

jW
 
I bought an XServe this summer.

Complete POS. Twice I have found it dead in the rack, with no meaningful explanation in the event log as to why.

The server OS is a joke. Windows Server really IS THAT GOOD, and OS X server really is that bad.

They know where they're beat, and they're pulling back. Let's not forget that Apple is a business, folks.
 
the MBA FAST? hahahahah the apple koolaid and brain washing has no limits

Fast for consumer needs. Not for Pro needs.

I use a Mac Pro myself. I would never switch to the Air for my day to day use. But many people can and will.

In a few years all Apple laptops will be flash only models similar to the Air. That is what Apple is really doing with the MacBook Air. A first step towards what will be the next MacBook Pro.
 
Actually, that won't make a bit of difference.

What might actually make some impact is for anyone in the enterprise to call up their Apple Rep and ask what the $&%($&%$( is going on at Apple.

This. Companies have the most financial sway, and therefore the most leverage. Let it be known that you're unhappy, and any reasonable minded company would bend to try to appease that segment of the market, since at the end of the day money is money.
 
Who cares.
Xserve was never Apple's market. It seemed so out of place in their product line-up. They never offered decent service&support contracts, and there never was software for Mac that could effectively replace a SBS.
 
Fixed that for ya.

Seriously, what's with the wild conspiracies theories flying around about Mac OS X turning into a closed system? There's no logic in there, I can tell you that for certain.

jW

Probably based on two comments by Steve.

Recently, at the MB Air announcement "We think this is the future of laptops"
Not too long ago at D8 conf "Tablet computing is the way forward"

Both paraphrased but that's the gist of it. Add that to the new Mac App Store paradigm and iOS features in OS X.... it's not that "wild" is it?
 
I think Steve's ultimate goal for Apple is to become the Sony of the 21st century--a media company that also makes gadgets, laptops and gaming consoles.
 
To be fair to everyone else, the fact that Apple has no penetration into the enterprise space is entirely Apple's choosing.

My company (a Fortune 100) and I know a LOT of others, WANT to embrace Apple and Mac OS X, but I was flat-out told by our Apple rep that Apple has zero interest in the enterprise.

So I'm not entirely sure RIP is even in order. Sounds like patricide to me.
Apple has much more than zero interest in the Enterprise, with over half of the Fortune 1000 actively investigating the deployment of Apple's mobile offerings. And Apple's signaled that they're actually starting to make their move.

Curious but not coincidental: Apple's reported to be signing a service agreement with Unisys that will bring reps into the Enterprise on a nationwide scale. And I thought first, yaay, this is the real beginning of Apple Enterprise at last.

I certainly noticed the agreement covered iOS products, so I read again and noticed what it didn't discuss covering was Macs. Wasn't sure I didn't think about X-Serve at the time.

Connect those dots - cancel X-Serve, start an Enterprise operation thru Univsys and don't include Macs in the deal - and Apple's vision of its future role in the business computing market is clear in three letters:

iOS .............................................................................................................

And it makes sense when thought about. Apple's long-awaited (by many us) push is into the frontier where there's no one to displace except smallish RIM who are currently struggling to turn a messaging phone into a smart one - and where growth is going to be explosive - and where MS, tho' they've had primitive devices there for years, are now behind. The alternative was directly taking on a entrenched, mature, slower-growing PC and small server market long owned and extensively serviced by MS.

Had Win 7 been Vista 2 (i.e., a technical and design failure), there might've been a slightly different script with Macs also playing a role.

But iOS would still be the wedge of the assault... ...what's harder to discern is whether this was all a real plan in their visionary's eyes back in '06 when the iPhone was being readied for the world, or more a serendipitous consequence of its astounding success, followed by the iPad's breaking open a whole new area of computing.

PS: There is one more dot. Workers are increasingly pushing their employers to let them use their own devices of choice while at work, and IT is learning it's easier to support those devices than to force staff to adapt to the corporate's standard, plus it cuts training costs dramatically and increases employee satisfaction. So Apple's focus on the consumer market actually becomes their entree into the corp world. Slick, that!
 
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I never knew BSD sucked in a server environment.

Its almost like its not BSD, its OS X and just happens to share some components. I mean Windows XP and Server 2008 R2 are like the same thing right? OS X server shared a lot with bsd and unix but it does have its own quirks.
 
Probably based on two comments by Steve.

Recently, at the MB Air announcement "We think this is the future of laptops"
Not too long ago at D8 conf "Tablet computing is the way forward"

Both paraphrased but that's the gist of it. Add that to the new Mac App Store paradigm and iOS features in OS X.... it's not that "wild" is it?

Yeah, actually it is, considering neither of those related to anything that's being said. The MacBook Air is a incredibly well-engineered machine, and the all-flash storage makes it very fast as well (maybe not workstation fast, but everyday use fast). My little brother works at the Apple Store here in Orlando now, and he showed me a little demo: he opened the applications folder, selected everything, and hit open. Less than 20 seconds later, every application had finished opening and was ready to be used (iMovie ready to edit, iPhoto displaying pictures, iTunes ready to play, Photoshop ready for editing, etc). They had a lot of third-party apps installed too, so it wasn't just the built-in Apple apps.

You're not going to do that ever, but it illustrates the speed at which flash-based computers can access information, especially because that machine does have a "slow" processor.

That's what he was referring to (context is king, remember).

As for the other quote, I'd prefer to see the original instead of the paraphrase, because I believe it was slightly different, but I have no problem thinking that there are two ways forward. The fact that an iPad currently requires a Mac or PC means to me that Steve doesn't really expect them to replace a standard computer anytime soon. For certain uses, yes, but not overall. He would be very happy to see most of the world with either a MBA or an iMac and an iPad (plus an iPhone, of course). That's the ideal situation for Apple.

jW
 
No, not every pro user has a xserve, but many companies that have invested in Macs for content creation do.

Look at the history:

1) Dropping expresscard on MBP 15" (affects Pro users negatively)
2) Dropping matte screens on all systems except two custom configured MBP 15" and 17" models (affects Pro users negatively)
3) Dropping pro features from Quicktime (affects Pro users negatively even if you can still use QT7 for now)
4) Very little Pro app development, including the next version Final Cut Studio getting scaled back (affects Pro users negatively)
5) Dropping Xraid
6) Dropping Xrserve
7) New "Lion" features touted are clearly aimed at general consumers, and *NO* mention of any improvements that Pro users would find useful
8) Dropping Java and 'hoping' Oracle will continue development of it. (and the number one users of Java on Mac is... Pro users)

There are more, but you should be able to get my point. This is the latest step in Apple's move away from pro users.

The pro users who kept the company alive through the 90's.

The pro users who make a lot of content for Apple's iDevices.

I've been an Apple fan for all of my adult life and it's getting harder and harder to support them to people who actually use their computers for more than consuming content.

Apple prices have always been high, but the quality and value of the hardware and software you got was always worth it. Lately, that isn't true. You get generic hardware that is just overpriced and a F... you attitude from Apple.

Well the strategy they are choosing to adopt has made them the second most valuable company in the US, very soon to be the first, above one of the worlds most famous historic mega corporations exxon mobil (founded by John D. Rockefeller!).

Macs are also still the best machine and I still believe it justifies the premium purely with the software.
 
Connect those dots - cancel X-Serve, start an Enterprise operation thru Univsys and don't include Macs in the deal - and Apple's vision of its future role in the business computing market is clear in three letters:

iOS
I could see Apple developing a cheap desktop-like iOS appliance for offices at some point in the future. A dumb terminal with eye-candy--everything would be web browser based and data would be stored centrally. In fact, I could see Apple abandon real computers (that is, full x86-based PCs) entirely and switch to ARM-based low-voltage appliances. Unfortunately, the future of Apple is embedded, low-power and "cloudy."
 
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This is why they will never be taken seriously by IT. I mean if you don't want to be in big business that's fine, but you can't dabble in this stuff and keep pulling back like that without raising serious questions about your commitment the next time around.
 
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