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Apple Discontinues Xserve, Only Available Until January 31st

iwod said:
Beautiful, the servers are looks 10 times better then Dell or HP.

Isn't that XSan thing in the picture disconed already?

I wish someone would just continue to make the casing...
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umm you know know the only difference between them in terms of looks is Apple looks like bar metal and the others are painted flat black. The blades are all made out of the same materal (steel or aluminum). Cheap plastic are not used on cases for blade servers.
Besides blade servers always put into a rack of some type never to be seen any how.
 
4nNtt said:
Maybe a iOS based server appliance for core features (File Sharing, Directory Services, MCX) and the rest integrated in to standard OS X? Time Capsule Pro? I think there will some interesting news whatever happens. Apple's server market wasn't failing. There is obviously something grander in the works.
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If there is something grander is the works then why don't Apple produce it now? It serves no one any good by delaying product replacements. Apple do a lot of FUD spreading due to their secrecy. Businesses do not like secrecy.
 
Battlefield Fan said:
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sorry what was it that you were asking?
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My God that's beautiful...:eek:
 
4nNtt said:
Maybe a iOS based server appliance for core features (File Sharing, Directory Services, MCX) and the rest integrated in to standard OS X? Time Capsule Pro? I think there will some interesting news whatever happens. Apple's server market wasn't failing. There is obviously something grander in the works.
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Doubtful. And I don't think it is accurate to say their server products weren't failing. While not failing per se, I doubt they were a big seller.

They like to cut waste, why waste money on hardware no one is buying. They hinted at this with the Mini Server. Most apple shops are small, so a Mini can handle it. When they need something more, many were likely going with Mac Pros since they likely did not have a rack environment.

The fact is, there are very few places that are racking more Xserves than Windows Servers.

We have one Xserve in a sea of HP and that Xserve is already being demoted in favor of AD.

This is just a response to the trends they are seeing. People are buying Minis and Mac Pros and not Xserves.
 
minjche said:
Well, gosh, I guess you'll just have to chill out and adapt to a change in technology.
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It will be a change to technology without Apple in the picture, A hard thought to swallow for someone like myself who has promoted Apple products for years. Technology changes constantly, that does not bother me. It is the fact that Apple just dumped thousands of us Admins off in the trash without warning, when we have been the ones pushing them in the first place. They just made us all look like fools for ever having recommended any Appple product. For schools like us this totally removes Apple as an option for 1-to-1, which means in this district size about 2,000 devices per year that will be from someone besides Apple. Dropping the server line will have a profound impact on sales of other devices as well.

James.
 
I always thought OS X Server was silly. Are there a lot of locations that actually use this?

I just don't see the demand, and therefor the justification for continuing this line. I'd rather see those resources put into desktop advancements.
 
PhoneI said:
I dont get it. I work for a fortune 500 were there are tons of users with MacBooks, iPhones, and iPads. We have not one OSX server. What does it matter?
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How does your company do the following:

1.) Kerberize
2.) AD Bind
3.) Push Policies
4.) Image
5.) Package and Push (ARD does not count)
6.) Manage Preferences
7.) Serve Native AFP
8.) Extend Mac Only Services
 
There can only be one reason for this announcement, the Xserve team lost the contract for Apple's new North Carolina data center. If that indeed happened, then the Xserve's position within Apple would be completely untenable. Unfortunately, I can imagine that this will send some serious shock waves into Apple's enterprise, engineering, and higher eduction markets. I guess some might say that the Mac has never had any focus on the enterprise, which appears to have just been confirmed by Apple.
 
Steve Jobs forgets why Apple sells so much products in the consumer market.
Over the years, Apple created an aura of being a "pro's company".

"That's what pros use" - would say every video/photo/music artist wannabe.
The pros had Mac Pros, they had an iMac... but it was a Mac...

Pro products help selling consumer products, period.

Nobody wanted a Subaru until the Impreza started to win rallyes.
Of course they wouldn't buy the WRC car, but the Impreza gained the same "aura".

With all the doubts over the pro software (Final Cut is the most obvious), with crippled Macbook Pros, 10.7 seeming like a 1st step to a closed system and now the XServe death, I can see many pros running away from Apple and Macs.

And what will happen in 10 years from now if the pro market steps away?
Will Apple keep the "aura"?

I hope I'm, wrong...
 
jamesjweg said:
It will be a change to technology without Apple in the picture, A hard thought to swallow for someone like myself who has promoted Apple products for years. Technology changes constantly, that does not bother me. It is the fact that Apple just dumped thousands of us Admins off in the trash without warning, when we have been the ones pushing them in the first place. They just made us all look like fools for ever having recommended any Appple product. For schools like us this totally removes Apple as an option for 1-to-1, which means in this district size about 2,000 devices per year that will be from someone besides Apple. Dropping the server line will have a profound impact on sales of other devices as well.

James.
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I rather go back to using a typewriter than use a Windows laptop. I am not sure people are going to be so willing to punish apple by giving up products they like.
 
fpnc said:
There can only be one reason for this announcement, the Xserve team lost the contract for Apple's new North Carolina data center. If that indeed happened, then the Xserve's position within Apple would be completely untenable. Unfortunately, I can imagine that this will send some serious shock waves into Apple's enterprise, engineering, and higher eduction markets. I guess some might say that the Mac has never had any focus on the enterprise, which appears to have just been confirmed by Apple.
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It has though. Apple has quietly been doing this for 2 years now. The problem in the enterprise world has always been Apple secrecy and this is the reason why. Companies want roadmaps and Apple wants Soccer Moms and Spoiled kids money.

PhoneI said:
I rather go back to using a typewriter than use a Windows laptop. I am not sure people are going to be so willing to punish apple by giving up products they like.
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Windows 7 is amazing. Get over your ignorance.
 
Does anyone know what type of server Apple is using in that big data center?

Given this announcement, I doubt it's Xserve boxes.

I do think that relaxing the OS X Server Virtualization policy is the only way this move can make sense. Rack some cheap HP or DELL 1U's, VMWare the cluster, and spin up your OS X Servers on that.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
How does your company do the following:

1.) Kerberize
2.) AD Bind
3.) Push Policies
4.) Image
5.) Package and Push (ARD does not count)
6.) Manage Preferences
7.) Serve Native AFP
8.) Extend Mac Only Services
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You beat me to responding to him. M$ can cover some of this.... if you have the money to piss away.

PhoneI ... How do you justify overpriced Apple devices when the server side support is not there. You just can not justify it to the people holding the check book unless it is a complete integrated solution.

James.
 
I was wondering how long they would last.

Does this mean that Apple is giving up on the business market and higher education?

Didn't someone make a supercomputer with linked Xservers a while ago?

To bad. Very sad. I was saving up for one too...
 
jamesjweg said:
You beat me to responding to him. M$ can cover some of this.... if you have the money to piss away.

PhoneI ... How do you justify overpriced Apple devices when the server side support is not there. You just can not justify it to the people holding the check book unless it is a complete integrated solution.

James.
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We use JAMF Casper for most it and a mix of Extreme ZIP and Centrify. Even with all of that we still need Xserves.
 
jamesjweg said:
You beat me to responding to him. M$ can cover some of this.... if you have the money to piss away.

PhoneI ... How do you justify overpriced Apple devices when the server side support is not there. You just can not justify it to the people holding the check book unless it is a complete integrated solution.

James.
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MS used to have windows services for Mac's years ago, not sure if it's around anymore. with with OS X 10.6 having all kinds of hooks into MS Windows do you even need these services?
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
Windows 7 is amazing. Get over your ignorance.
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To me its XP with a nicer task bar. I run Windows 7 virtually on my MacBook. If I didn't need it to run my corporate DB program, I would never look at Windows ever again. Anyway, lets not go to off topic.
 
Well, that's our TCO blown straight out of the water.

I for one am not replacing our current bank of Xserves with Mac Pros. The hope here is that they've got something in the wings, or otherwise they've more or less abandoned enterprise.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
How does your company do the following:

1.) Kerberize
2.) AD Bind
3.) Push Policies
4.) Image
5.) Package and Push (ARD does not count)
6.) Manage Preferences
7.) Serve Native AFP
8.) Extend Mac Only Services
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Figured I would answer from my perspective.

1) Active Directory
2) Part of the imaging process
3) Active Directory with schema additions
4) We run Deploy Studio, we don't necessarily need OS X Server for this
5) How is this relevant to Server? Also, why doesn't ARD count?
6) AD
7) Not necessary
8) Not necessary - although, what exactly do you mean here? Why would you want "Mac Only" services?
 
alent1234 said:
MS used to have windows services for Mac's years ago, not sure if it's around anymore. with with OS X 10.6 having all kinds of hooks into MS Windows do you even need these services?
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Macs can authenticate to Active Directory and mount the home folder, that's it.
Looks like Lion will bring us more integration with Group Policies etc...

maybe
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
It has though. Apple has quietly been doing this for 2 years now. The problem in the enterprise world has always been Apple secrecy and this is the reason why. Companies want roadmaps and Apple wants Soccer Moms and Spoiled kids money.



Windows 7 is amazing. Get over your ignorance.
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HP and Dell don't have any official roadmaps, but every year when Intel releases new CPU they release new servers with them. sometimes we have 2 years of a server generation but with CPU upgrades. we still have a bunch of gen 1 to gen 4 HP servers and getting rid of them little by little. larger organizations do it faster since the ROI on replacing old servers with new G7's is amazing.

with Mac Pro and XServe not getting an upgrade for 2 years and still costing a ridiculous amount of money there is no way you can justify a return on investment
 
Schizoid said:
Macs can authenticate to Active Directory and mount the home folder, that's it.
Looks like Lion will bring us more integration with Group Policies etc...

maybe
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Sorry, nope.

That is all you can do with Active Directory out of the box. If you extend the AD schema you get full control as if you were running OS X Server.

It would be impossible to utilize Windows GPO in OS X, without extensions to AD.

This is why most use the Magic Triangle.
 
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