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Apple Dismisses Rumors of Ever Putting Touch ID on Back, Side, or Under Display of iPhone X
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While the rest of the post is spot on, this is not necessarily true (see Touch ID on the MacBook Pro).
but the button is on the back. you can find the button without looking for it.
vibration or feedback after the fact isn’t what i was pointing out
With Apple, never say never. If it's available and they need to milk some new "wow" feature out of their technology cow, what's to stop them? They'll just spin it as why not give users a second option?
Like they would ever give their customers multiple options for the sake of saving money. I am saving this as an Apple fan. This is true though.
Not to mention the bad decisions on the MBP range with that unreliable keyboard. Also OSX is starting to feel dated next to Windows and thats something I never thought I would say. Apple needs to take a huge hit in the stock market to kick them back into gear imo.
Please explain to all of us how this would work without affecting the quality of the image that the camera could produce
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I have some friends with the Pixel and none of them use the fingerprint scanner on the back. They feel it’s location is extremely inconvenient.While I like the idea of having "TouchID" on the screen, the back would be too awkward. I still don't use it to unlock my current iPhone. Certain apps sure. And that is what I intend to do when I get the X. That way no one will get into my phone...except my wife...which could be worse than the cops!!!
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Wait I'm sorry. Maybe I'm just ignorant but so far nothing about face id seems better or more secure than touch id. In fact it seems like a half step backwards. Or like another poster said, a step sideways instead of forward. Not that I really know but there are plenty of situations in which touch id would work so much better than face id but I can't think of any situation where face id is better.
Why would Apple waste money and space adding TouchID, which does absolutely nothing advancing Apple's AR objectives, while FaceID does?
That makes zero sense.
Take a look at the essential phone.... The speaker grill is integrated into the space between the frame and the glass leaving only the front facing camera/ambient light sensor which is why the essential phone's notch is so small. Now take the fact that Apple has much more experience designing phones and I think they could have come up with a solution for the single front facing camera that would have either completely eliminated the notch or greatly reduced it.
Having FaceID with its dual camera modules and IR components is the reason for the notch being as large as it is and simply was not going to get any smaller. For a second though, imagine FaceID did not exist and under display touch ID was implemented.... We could have had a all screen iPhone with no notch. Apple could have even added in the ability to detect if you are looking at the phone (the most useful feature of the new camera system IMO) into the existing front facing camera tech.
FaceID just does not seem like a step forward IMO. It is an inherently less secure authentication method and will just not function well in certain normal conditions (sunlight flooding the IR sensor). It just seems like a half measure because of under display touch ID issues.
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I’m with you in the last two...the others I couldn’t care less.
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Inherently less secure? How do you know? Is Apple lying? They said it is A LOT better than Touch ID. 1in a million vs half that for Touch ID.
Less secure not less reliable. Identical twins will fool FaceID (which Apple admits) when they would not fool a TouchID sensor. Thats what I meant by less secure.
TouchID can be spoof more easily than having a twin though. Almost no one has an identical twin. TouchID is much easier to spoof.
I am not so sure... I do not think many people have the tools or skills to create a 3D fingerprint but I feel more would be able to 3D print a face with a desktop printer (assuming they already had a scan of your face) Obviously that is an extreme case that would likely never happen but the fact remains that I believe FaceID is taking less data points to authenticate then TouchID does if you really got down and looked at the tech of each.
Get some clay and boom. Hell someone can put your finger on the finger print sensor while you are sleeping.
Not quite that easy.... Search a few youtube videos to see. You can use the clay as a mold but you would then need to pour in some silicone or similar material to create the exact finger print surface again. Think of it as a positive and negative side.
And very true... likewise, someone can take your X and quickly point the phone at you when you are looking at then and unlock it. Something they would not have been able to do with TouchID.
Someone already tested this out and it didn't work. However, if you change the settings you can lower the security so faceID can get past the actively looking security check.
This is incorrect. It is more likely someone else can access your phone with their own finger. This is because Touch ID does not take your whole fingerprint, but rather small photos of parts of your fingerprint. As Apple mentions, 1 in 50,000 people can access your phone. The odds of this occurring with Face ID are less, at least according to Apple. We will know in time but I am inclined to believe it. I’m curious to know what makes you think it is less secure.
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No, but they could just place your finger on it. That argument against Face ID is also an argument against Touch ID.
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well most of us don’t have identical twins. Touch ID has a 1 in 50,000 chance that someone else can access your phone with their own finger. Face ID has a 1 in 1,000,000 chance that someone else’s face will unlock your phone. According to Apple anyways. That seems more secure to me. The real test will be how difficult it turns out to be to spoof the Face ID. We know Touch ID can be spoofed. We will see which is more difficult.
If they truly didn't ever even consider preserving TouchID, then Apple truly has become blindly arrogant. Sorry Apple, I will never, ever purchase a device with FaceID. If that means I'm done buying Apple products, so be it. Finally, I can have $10,000 a year to use on more important things, like food!
Apple have room until 2020 to release TouchID phones if they want along side the FaceID ones without making the naming of things too messy. Next year if they feel iPhone 8 sales are strong enough could do an iPhone 8s and an iPhone X1. Then an iPhone 9 in 2019 with an iPhone X2, with 2020 having an iPhone 9s and iPhone X3. (or XI XII XIII)