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Just to be clear Apple do not manufacture anything. They need suppliers like Samsung, otherwise for all the hype in the world, they would have no products to deliver.

There are plenty of manufacturers who still rely on Samsung for parts, they are not going out of business. Share price's go up and down, remember when Apple was almost out of business?

The constraint in supply of Apple products is not merely because they sold out, it's to do with supply chain and if there are only certain vendors supplying the components to make those products, you'd be wise to keep them onside.

All this hate directed at Samsung is quite childish, unless you are ripping the Samsung parts out of your Apple products, you should just put up with the fact that Apple aren't anything without their competitors.
 
Well to be fair both the demand and market share demand for .net devs has been increasing over the years.

In smaller enterprise development teams, yes that is true. I'm a big fan of C# as a programming language, but despise .Net for various reasons. However on the big bucks enterprise arena, companies have been actively moving their existing products and infrastructure away from the Microsoft stack. The idea of a cloud is catching on fast, even with smaller to medium sized businesses, and Azure has failed to keep them on the Microsoft stack for the call of cheaper, more robust infrastructure. Oracle, IBM, VMWare and RedHat will make sure Microsoft fail in the cloud in the long run, I would bet actual money on this.

C# is fairly new and I have been in the past few years seeing the demand for C# developers greatly increase and it is being coming one of those programming language that it is a very good idea to know and good idea to have in your tool belt. The job requirements that list C# is increasing a lot in just the past few years.
It has one huge advantage over Java. That is you can develop cross language with it and tie it back in with the older stuff. If you have old C code C# can directly use it. Java can not. Or say you have something in .Net, you can write a model in C# and still use it. At the same time you can have one guy write code in .net, Another in VB.net, another in C# and all the parts will work together just fine.
Java on the other hand it require a lot more hoops to jump threw to pull it off if you can even pull it off either way it is not easy.

I'm well aware of the features of C# and .Net, thankyou.

Just a small correction, the JVM can call native code and it can do cross languages, Java just hasn't exposed these features directly. It is just bytecode after all.

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And once again I've made a topic completely unrelated to the thread. :D
 
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The hot news today is that Samsung says they're going to stop responding as passively as they have to Apple's attacks, and will become more aggressive in attacking Apple themselves.

They say they were previously being polite because of Apple being a major customer.
 
My argument is that 7B in sales in NOT a big deal to Samsung. Market cap is a joke. Samsumg is so diversified in what they service/produce that they could quite the memory business tomorrow and still have much more revenue than Apple.

Apple needs Samsung much more than Samsung needs Apple.

They're hardly dependent on each other, both will do fine regardless.
 
I think the real issue here is that Samsung has chosen to compete with Apple on many fronts and Apple is choosing to not reward Samsung for doing so.

I know that if one of the manufacturers I purchase parts from suddenly chose to compete directly for my customers that I would end the relationship.

Simple business.
 
You make very little sense....

I believe we are misunderstanding each other....

1) I am not calling for more frequent upgrades. The original comment I responded to complained that Apple only releasing one phone model per year was unacceptable. I believe that is garbage and its like saying Microsoft needs to release a new version of Windows yearly, or Office, or anything. I probably did not make my point well since it was very late when I wrote that -- my apologies. I think less frequent updates, more stability, and making updates available to nearly all users are a good thing. I also think new features given to users of old devices makes more sense than selling a new phone every three months and expecting folks to fork over more cash to get the new features.

2) Clearly I am not up on my Windows Phone news -- I should probably get one of those devices. Apparently they have gotten more updates than I was aware of. I'm not trying to talk smack or even get into that argument of which is better. I was originally just trying to point out that Apple need not upgrade their phone more than once per year because every software upgrade makes even their 2-year-old phones even better than they were. I know MS botched their first upgrade and bricked some people, but I must admit I stopped following Windows Phone news after that with the exception of the Mango announcement a few months ago. Which looks very nice.

3) I did not say "the last six months", I said I get more updates in a six month period than most Android or WP users see in a lifetime. Clearly that statement was wrong on Windows Phone -- and I'd probably know better if I had such a device to play with. And that brings us to Android.....

Well I can assure you I've had some unexpected upgrades out of the last 6 months of development....

The vast majority of those iOS "upgrades" were already possible on Android due to the differences in the way that third party applications can integrate with the system and that Android as an OS already had that functionality.....

Yes, they are different platforms. I can say that I could pull photos from an SD card or use my iPad as a USB host for a keyboard with the adapters that shipped at the time the product shipped. I could even rent, download and watch movies on it when it shipped. Both platforms have their advantages and drawbacks, but are converging in many ways and diverging in others. I still can't use it as a generic USB host or have treat an SD card as external storage which are clearly two of the differences. Are these use cases I care about? No, but some would like that. Apple does put you at their mercy, but the trade off is you get things that work out of the box without any third-party setup and configuration which makes my life easier since at the end of my work day I am tired of configuring and setting up and doing technical support. It's nice that my wife rarely has to ask for help with her iPhone. It's two different models, like Chevy and Honda. I can go to a Chevy dealership and order a brand new car to my exact specifications and choose from tons of options. If I go to a Honda dealership I have a set of pre-defined choices that make sense together and I don't have to think about it. I am confident I could take a premier Android phone and trick it out to do almost everything an iPhone does and still have other options the iPhone can't do. I could even jailbreak my iPhone and maybe even do more than I could with the Android device. I don't bother with those options for the same reason I don't buy parts and build my own car or build my own computer, the building brings me no joy. I like using these things, not configuring and tinkering them except for the basic stuff. It needs to just work without a bunch of third-party downloads. That is "for me" -- and it is clearly not for everyone and so I am glad we have choices.


So it looks like some of the newer devices are getting upgraded. My iPhone 3Gs was released prior to the Motorola Droid. The only way to upgrade the Motorola Droid to Gingerbread is by rooting it, but my brother-in-law's experience with that has been horrible performance. Something Apple determined was the case for the iPhone 3G and iOS 4. My iPhone 3Gs is eligible for iOS5 next month, the performance may stink on that too. This is the list of phones that will not get Gingerbread, but I must admit that I am impressed by the list you provided because it looks the situation is much improved over what it was in the past.

Are these versions being offered including updates to the manufacturer's UI layer are they pure Android with nothing on top, or is it a mix of both?
 
Are these versions being offered including updates to the manufacturer's UI layer are they pure Android with nothing on top, or is it a mix of both?

Great input BC2009, always interesting to read! :cool:

I'm personally not a huge fan of firmware based services that can't be updated (things like the iOS YouTube app and Maps spring to mind) compared to the separate Maps/YouTube apps on Android. Those are two applications that are regularly updated across various releases (Froyo, Gingerbread & Honeycomb) that are not dependant on a firmware release. Hopefully with the release of iOS5 and OTA Delta updates the smaller applications will be updated regularly.

Regarding the above, the various updates do include custom HTC/Samsung/Motorla/SonyEricsson gumpf (I'm not a huge fan of baked in customisation myself).

I would prefer that each manufacturer offer a regularly updated AOSP based Rom to optionally Flash alongside their customised builds so that people can keep things up to date and stock if they choose. The development community are a massive help in those regards but an official route would be fantastic.
 
I think the real issue here is that Samsung has chosen to compete with Apple on many fronts and Apple is choosing to not reward Samsung for doing so.

I know that if one of the manufacturers I purchase parts from suddenly chose to compete directly for my customers that I would end the relationship.

Simple business.

Yeah it's war. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple has completely terminated Samsung as a supplier by 2013...
 
I think the real issue here is that Samsung has chosen to compete with Apple on many fronts and Apple is choosing to not reward Samsung for doing so.

I know that if one of the manufacturers I purchase parts from suddenly chose to compete directly for my customers that I would end the relationship.

Simple business.

I only see Samsung competing with Apple on its Electronics, and mobile division, specifically. Where else are Samsung competing with Apple? Unless an Apple hotel or hospital has appeared...
 
We know that Apple is "(apparently) guaranteed" to be infringing because Samsung told us so.

Yet, Samsung purports that same infringing technology in the iPhone 4, and no action yet after almost a year and a half?

Bark! Bark! Bark!

Apparently, because I don't know if Samsung is lying or not, and guaranteed is what Samsung said.

Word is, Samsung were just being polite. Now that they're moving away from Samsung they can start being aggressive.

You want action? You got it:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/18/samsung-countersues-apple-in-australia-claims-iphone-ipad-2-v/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/23/samsung-asks-netherlands-courts-to-block-ipad-iphone-sales/

Not sure what you were trying to get in your last line, but:
Meow! Meow! Meow!
 
In the end Apple will burn all bridges with Samsung & Intel. It's just in their DNA to piss off major partners.
 
I was hoping better things from Tim, alas his mind is poisoned with the Job's virus.

I think that Tim deserves some time to put his stamp on the company. Perhaps he will tweak it in good ways. I wouldn't expect any radical departure from Apple's tried and true business model, but there are certainly areas for improvement and I hope that Tim makes the company a bit more friendly in terms of using popular tech such as USB 3, BluRay, etc. I'd like to see Apple without the egomania.
 
I think that Tim deserves some time to put his stamp on the company. Perhaps he will tweak it in good ways. I wouldn't expect any radical departure from Apple's tried and true business model, but there are certainly areas for improvement and I hope that Tim makes the company a bit more friendly in terms of using popular tech such as USB 3, BluRay, etc. I'd like to see Apple without the egomania.

I'm pretty sure the egomania extends to the Apple board(Al Gore anyone?), they wouldn't allow Tim to moderate.
 
I'm pretty sure the egomania extends to the Apple board(Al Gore anyone?), they wouldn't allow Tim to moderate.

You're probably right. I don't know how they could fit all those egos in one room. Confidence is one thing, out and out arrogance is another. There's no humbleness anywhere in that company.
 
You're probably right. I don't know how they could fit all those egos in one room. Confidence is one thing, out and out arrogance is another. There's no humbleness anywhere in that company.

That's what I like about MSFT more these days. Steven Sinofsky strikes me a a very humble guy excited about technology. Even Ballmer is more quiet these days.
 
I was hoping better things from Tim, alas his mind is poisoned with the Job's virus.

I'm afraid the Jobs' virus has mutated into something worse inside Tim - based on all of the current litigation.

And for the fans who will chirp "but Tim's been CEO less than a month", puh-leaze.

MBA Tim's been acting CEO since January when Steve took his final medical leave, and was acting CEO during the other medical leaves. One would have to assume that Tim's been changing the company, little by little, for the last couple of years.

And I use "MBA Tim" because Tim isn't the (arrogant, irascible) visionary that Steve was - Tim is a bean counter.
 
I believe we are misunderstanding each other....

1) I am not calling for more frequent upgrades. The original comment I responded to complained that Apple only releasing one phone model per year was unacceptable. I believe that is garbage and its like saying Microsoft needs to release a new version of Windows yearly, or Office, or anything. I probably did not make my point well since it was very late when I wrote that -- my apologies. I think less frequent updates, more stability, and making updates available to nearly all users are a good thing. I also think new features given to users of old devices makes more sense than selling a new phone every three months and expecting folks to fork over more cash to get the new features.

Well, the complaint as such is valid if one calls for variety i guess. But yeah, it would come at a cost and that cost could easily be lesser-quality devices.

2) Clearly I am not up on my Windows Phone news -- I should probably get one of those devices. Apparently they have gotten more updates than I was aware of. I'm not trying to talk smack or even get into that argument of which is better. I was originally just trying to point out that Apple need not upgrade their phone more than once per year because every software upgrade makes even their 2-year-old phones even better than they were. I know MS botched their first upgrade and bricked some people, but I must admit I stopped following Windows Phone news after that with the exception of the Mango announcement a few months ago. Which looks very nice.

If you're fine being an early-adopter, you should.

As for Apple, while software updates are nice, they are not unique to Apple, and do not fix the variety "issue" either.

(as for MSFT bricking, you cant really blame them for others ****-ups)

3) I did not say "the last six months", I said I get more updates in a six month period than most Android or WP users see in a lifetime. Clearly that statement was wrong on Windows Phone -- and I'd probably know better if I had such a device to play with. And that brings us to Android.....

In a 6 month period you max out at 1. Most, almost all, will at least match that nowadays.

Are these versions being offered including updates to the manufacturer's UI layer are they pure Android with nothing on top, or is it a mix of both?

I care little for Android, but i do know that SE in their "re-commitment" to the Android platform have made serious efforts in the way their UI-overlay is written as to make updating easier (and more to the point, faster).

I would assume others are doing the same... and, that Google as the platform-provider, are working on better ways to maintain this separation effectively.

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That's what I like about MSFT more these days. Steven Sinofsky strikes me a a very humble guy excited about technology. Even Ballmer is more quiet these days.

Ballmer... :- (
Sinofsky yay! ...even read some notes about him being the successor of Jobs... imagine that, LTD! what would you do with yourself?* =)

Im sure that Ballmer is great "business-dude", but can he pretty-please just get out of our face when it comes to the rest? :- )

* no need to respond with yet another post whining about "what-ifs".
 
In the end Apple will burn all bridges with Samsung & Intel. It's just in their DNA to piss off major partners.

If Samsung were really a "major partner," then your argument would have some basis. But as it stands, Samsung is not behaving like a major partner. They are behaving like a competitor. So Apple didn't really piss off a "major partner." They simply refused to pad a competitor's pockets.

As for Intel, I don't know where you're going with that. And again, I see nothing wrong with it. Apple told Intel to get its act together on power consumption in processors. How is that "pissing off a major partner?"
 
If Samsung were really a "major partner," then your argument would have some basis. But as it stands, Samsung is not behaving like a major partner. They are behaving like a competitor. So Apple didn't really piss off a "major partner." They simply refused to pad a competitor's pockets.

As for Intel, I don't know where you're going with that. And again, I see nothing wrong with it. Apple told Intel to get its act together on power consumption in processors. How is that "pissing off a major partner?"

The very fact that you have Steve Jobs personally upbraiding the Intel CEO about the power consumption of the CPUs is insulting. I know I'd pissed off.
 
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