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Why Can't Apple Use American Memory Companies? Micron, Kingston and others.
Also how about companies like Segate, Western Digital Etc.

Well a long list of reason. Those guys might not be producing Nand-memory chips (aka flash memory) in large numbers if at all. Hell I believe some of them even buy the flash memory from Samsung then put it into there own products.

If I remember correct Samsung produces like 40% of the worlds Flash memory chips and they are among the Tier 1 suppliers.
 
So according to many of the Macrumor members here: the customer with the largest purchasing power in the world has to beg to the seller and losing an account is no problem whatsoever for a supplier business. Wow.
 
Specs are just icing on the cake. If specs were the dominant decider, then PC would be the most popular gaming platform instead of the Wii.

speccs is one thing, hype another. experience a third. i have no reason to argue with you here, i was just stating the obvious: specs may be irrelevant for the quality of the product, but they're still very useful in generating sales. you may not like it, i certainly dont, but its the way it is. simple as that.

Continued popularity in Apple products show that specs are not as important as they once were.

maybe, maybe not. then again, people are quick to forget.


What am I enjoying exactly? I'm more than familiar with Microsofts frameworks layout. I could probably explain how they work to you as well.

.Net was aimed at enterprise, it has failed to put a significant dent into Java because of its lack of platform agnostics, so C# adoption has been limited.

how what works? i mean, most parts are self-evident for those who would be able to understand anything of your explanation anyway.

as for your enjoyment, the fact that the new stack is way nicer for C# and non C# devs alike :- )

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So according to many of the Macrumor members here: the customer with the largest purchasing power in the world has to beg to the seller and losing an account is no problem whatsoever for a supplier business. Wow.

start from post 1 and read the thread properly this time.

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Well a long list of reason. Those guys might not be producing Nand-memory chips (aka flash memory) in large numbers if at all. Hell I believe some of them even buy the flash memory from Samsung then put it into there own products.

If I remember correct Samsung produces like 40% of the worlds Flash memory chips and they are among the Tier 1 suppliers.

like earlier statement samsung and seagate has some form of alliance (in which the basic idea was that seagate got access to sammys harddrives, and sammy got some flash stuff... something in that direction at least).
 
So according to many of the Macrumor members here: the customer with the largest purchasing power in the world has to beg to the seller and losing an account is no problem whatsoever for a supplier business. Wow.

Ever heard of 'customer from hell'? Not that apple is but...

Customer with largest purchasing power doesn't matter squat if the supply doesn't exist. It's happened before.
 
Ever heard of 'customer from hell'? Not that apple is but...

Customer with largest purchasing power doesn't matter squat if the supply doesn't exist. It's happened before.

Once upon a time the tech industry was a nice, friendly place where everyone got along. Then Apple showed up and it's been HELL ever since.
 
No problem, I'm sure you meant referring to me as Sparkey was a compliment.

It wasn't meant as a compliment or an insult. Just like buddy, partner, or any number of other terms doen't imply a compliment or insult. If I had wanted to insult you I would have made it clear. ;)

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Once upon a time the tech industry was a nice, friendly place where everyone got along. Then Apple showed up and it's been HELL ever since.

:eek:

I sure hope that was sarcasm.
 
serves them right, instead of competing for better products, they have only been competing for patent lawsuites which is just annoying!
 
I've had plenty of updates for my Nexus S and Xoom bringing varying additional features to my devices (NFC read/write functionality, USB host support, Scaling modes for applications, Keyboard Mouse support, SD card support and more), all via OTA updates.

Most of the stuff you mentioned was promised when the device shipped, so you bought it with those things in mind -- and some if it should have been put in before the OS made it past the QA deparement (like scaling modes -- truncating an App is really not acceptable). If Moto never delivered on the Xoom they would have a class-action lawsuit on their hands -- though I am not sure if the 4G has been delivered yet for those who paid for it. In my view, you already paid for most of those features -- you just paid for them in advance. "Upgrades" are the things you get that are in addition to what you paid for. I'm talking about things that you did not even know where coming when you bought the device (for iPhone 3Gs users it was multi-tasking, folders, AirPlay, wallpaper, hotspot, iBooks, and soon to be iCloud, Twitter integration, WiFi Sync, Reminders, Newsstand, iMessage, etc....). Because you are smart enough to buy "Nexus" devices like the "Nexus S" and the "Xoom" you are actually getting some of those unexpected goodies too, but most Android owners are not so lucky because the manufacturer would rather sell them a new device than give them an OTA upgrade.

1) Huh? Windows phone.....

Care to explain?

2) Office reiterates every few years. Where is the need for more rapid development of the Office product?.....

3) Same goes for windows. Where is the need? Where is the demand? Why would we even ask for massive reworks of our OS every year or six months? Just like Office, its a mature product as is.
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Yes Windows Phone had a bug fix update which they completely botched for some users and Mango is due out soon, which should be nice. But you keep saying "where is the demand?" and "where is the need?" I was only pointing out that AppleScruff1 is denouncing Apple for failing to update often when his favorite horse (Microsoft) does not release that often either. I actually believe and agree with you. Where is the need? There is no need. Look at the iPhone and the iPad.... are they doing really well? Has Apple fallen down to competitors who keep releasing a newer hardware version every time a new spec can be crammed in there? No they are not. They are the most valuable company in the world and they are selling more trinkets than anybody. There is value in consistency. People kick and scream when Apple updates something quickly and we hear the cries of "planned obsolescence". Given that a phone carrier contract is anywhere from 18 months to 2 years I am fine with an upgrade every year or so -- as are 99% of customers (especially non-tech-geeks). Further, Apple does a great job providing updates to older devices for a solid 18 to 30 months.

Care to list this vast feature list you've seen in the past 6 months? And how much money are you willing to bet that it's longer than the list of features Android or Windows Phones will ever see in their lives?

I'll bet the $300 I will pay for my next iPhone. Apple has kept my 3GS updated for more than 2 years now. Since I bought it two years ago running iOS 3.0 it has gotten a ton of new features, and its about to get more features with iOS 5 next month. Multitasking (done without killing my battery), AirPlay, hotspot, folders, updated built-in apps like email, iBooks, and a bunch of other crap I can't even remember. All this was free. No hardware upgrade required. Soon my 28-month-year-old iPhone 3Gs will get iCloud, Twitter integration, iMessage, reminders, Newsstand, WiFi Sync, etc...) If you buy a non-Nexus Google device you are basically screwed by the manufacturer who wants to sell you a new phone and is not going to QA their old phones on the new software. Even the Nexus One owners had to wait quite a while for Gingerbread after the Nexus S was released. New phones are releasing on Gingerbread now with no promise of an upgrade to Ice Cream Sandwich.

What I stated was true. He made his point, I made my counter point. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, except here of course. The fanaticism is comical.

You're comical buddy -- that seems to be your favorite word. Your other favorite word: fanaticism. I don't think it means what you think it means. :) I actually like the preview of Windows 8. But to paraphrase Andy Ihnatko, seeing the desktop on Metro is like having the drunken uncle show up to an elegant family wedding. But Metro is sweet looking.

I think it is comical that whenever anybody disagrees with you, then you label them a fanatic and you turn your brain off. Try thinking about your position a bit more. I think you find this is one more instance of the "Pot and the Kettle". I am one "Apple Fanatic" that is rooting for Microsoft and for HP to get their Mobile OS situation figured out and done right. Apple can't be the only serious game in town for the next three years. Microsoft has the best chance because of the money and existing user base they can put behind Windows 8 -- they are first and foremost a software company (not an advertiser like Google is).

And for the record, I don't think Microsoft should release more than one major revision to their Metro stuff per year -- it creates too much fragmentation and confuses customers. I don't think Apple should either.
 
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You're comical buddy -- that seems to be your favorite word. Your other favorite word: fanaticism. I don't think it means what you think it means. :) I actually like the preview of Windows 8. But to paraphrase Andy Ihnatko, seeing the desktop on Mango is like having the drunken uncle show up to an elegant family wedding. But Mango is sweet looking.

I think it is comical that whenever anybody disagrees with you, then you label them a fanatic and you turn your brain off. Try thinking about your position a bit more. I think you find this is one more instance of the "Pot and the Kettle". I am one "Apple Fanatic" that is rooting for Microsoft and for HP to get their Mobile OS situation figured out and done right. Apple can't be the only serious game in town for the next three years. Microsoft has the best chance because of the money and existing user base they can put behind Windows 8 -- they are first and foremost a software company (not an advertiser like Google is).

And for the record, I don't think Microsoft should release more than one major revision to their Metro stuff per year -- it creates too much fragmentation and confuses customers. I don't think Apple should either.

I enjoy good discussion, and there was some of that earlier in the thread. Then the Appleonians took over and rationality went out the window. I have no problems with people who disagree with me. The problem is the fanboys. They know who they are.
 
Obviously this is all part of Apple's 5 year plan.

Over the next few years they will use legal assaults to destabilise samsung.

With the introduction of the iTV they will immediately block samsung television sales across as many countries as they can. (not that anyone will buy a korean POS when they could buy an apple television)

Samsung in 5 years will be able to sell nothing, they will be a shell of a company.

By that time Apple will swoop in and purchase them, which would be then be capable of self-sufficently producing memory, display panels, everything they need.

Around that time, computer sales will stop entirely. We won't need them, the apple iDevice family will provide all the computing we need. A cellphone will have 10 times the computing power of a desktop, just plug your iPhone or iPad into a Apple iTV or Cinema Display and work away.

****** on Microsoft, p**s on Google, Apple is all we need.

(p.s., i'm not being exactly serious)
 
Hmmmm...didn't Apple just recently come running back to Sammy for some displays for their Samsung iPad2. I believe their "Non-Sammy" supplier didn't cut it in drop tests, so good'ol Sammy to the rescue. Apple's such a joke.
 
Hmmmm...didn't Apple just recently come running back to Sammy for some displays for their Samsung iPad2. I believe their "Non-Sammy" supplier didn't cut it in drop tests, so good'ol Sammy to the rescue. Apple's such a joke.

I wouldn't mind being a $100 billion joke. :cool:
 
Obviously this is all part of Apple's 5 year plan.

Over the next few years they will use legal assaults to destabilise samsung.

With the introduction of the iTV they will immediately block samsung television sales across as many countries as they can. (not that anyone will buy a korean POS when they could buy an apple television)

Samsung in 5 years will be able to sell nothing, they will be a shell of a company.

By that time Apple will swoop in and purchase them, which would be then be capable of self-sufficently producing memory, display panels, everything they need.

Around that time, computer sales will stop entirely. We won't need them, the apple iDevice family will provide all the computing we need. A cellphone will have 10 times the computing power of a desktop, just plug your iPhone or iPad into a Apple iTV or Cinema Display and work away.

****** on Microsoft, p**s on Google, Apple is all we need.

(p.s., i'm not being exactly serious)

Got a good laugh. You will need to throw in Apple building cargo jets and container ships to transport their goods also. Not to mention buying up BP to drill its own oil used in the jets/ships. I mean how does Apple management sleep at night knowing their shipping expense is way too high due to the oil used to transport stuff? Apple should spend some of the billions on oil companies to lock in lower rate for oil used to transport iDevices.

Seriously, I wonder what their 5 year plan is. Will they ever consider building own factories (prob not in US but more likely other places) to manufacture core components?

In the followup reporting of the Japanese earthquake, I read that Apple actually owned a battery company in Japan?
 
Maybe you should read before you post. Samsung is planning to sue Apple NOT because of how the bloody iPhone will LOOK. It will have something to do with infringements of patents for certain wireless technologies of which Samsung claims that it is nearly impossible to build a smartphone without infringing on their patents. This has nothing to do with visual design, it has something to do with REAL technology - stuff that you don't see, just use.

There is something seriously wrong with that picture. The iPhone 5 is nothing more than vaporware at this point. Samsung's mobile division has supposedly planned to take legal action. However, how do they even know that the iPhone 5 will contain? The only division within Samsung that should know anything about the iPhone 5 is the components division, which is under NDA. If Samsung comes out with a lawsuit against the iPhone 5 before it's even on the market, they may be exposing the fact that the NDA was violated.

To give a stupid example what this is about: Imagine for a second that Samsung holds a pattern on the wheel and Apple wants to ship a new car. Samsung wouldn't have to know what this car looks like - it is going to have wheels, and when you own the patent on wheels then you know that you can sue the company as soon as their product is revealed to the public. You don't even have to know any details of that new product. In Samsung's case, Apple's next phone will have various wireless connectivity features and Samsung holds sufficient patents in that field to kick Apple's sorry ass.

Read the previous paragraph.

You might get red of the stupid idea that only Apple innovates. The truth is that Apple does not even design new key technologies. They design cases and graphical user interfaces (on top of an open source operating system) and then they take available shelf parts and put them together to form a product. Now those shelf parts that work the real magic behind the curtain are usually NOT designed by Apple, they are designed by companies like Samsung and Toshiba and Intel and many others. They are not glamorous, they are merely the slaves that do the real work. But they are patented as well and thousands of man hours went into their engineering. It now happens that Samsung owns a lot of the patents that allow a phone to make phone calls and connect to wireless hubs.

This is a long paragraph filled with nothing but vitriol and not an ounce of supporting evidence. Apple does source a lot of the components used in their products. But Apple designs a lot of them in house. Others actually manufacture the physical units of those components but Apple designs a lot of them. So no, Apple does not just buy off-the-shelf components and assemble them.
 
never said so either. :- )
Once people start talking about superior performance (experience) it will.

We're waiting. Apple has proven you wrong for well over 20 consecutive quarters (Macs, and going by consumer satisfaction reports you've no doubt seen, it's actually 8 years in a row) and lord only knows how long with iOS devices. Probably since their inception.

There's a good chance (understatement) they will continue to do so. We have learned (well, some of us have, who've been paying attention) that specs/performance do not = superior User Experience.

It is the synergy between the software and hardware that counts. If that is difficult to conceptualize, you're not alone. So just look at whatever Apple's been doing and think about it. Then you'll have your answer about what User Experience means and how it's developed.


So according to many of the Macrumor members here: the customer with the largest purchasing power in the world has to beg to the seller and losing an account is no problem whatsoever for a supplier business. Wow.

The MacRumors Alternate Reality. Welcome.

In short, this entire issue is explainable in one simple sentence: Apple no longer needs Samsung and they're phasing them out. Sucks to be Samsung in this case, but they too, will move on.

Simple as that. Done. The party who loses out here is obvious, and the answer is obvious each time a customer says goodbye to a supplier. It's not pleasant but it happens. Obvious stuff . . . except of course to those who just hate to see "arrogant" and "aggressive" Apple win yet again. So unfair!

But thems the breaks. Apple is in a position to determine their future, and they're doing it. Tech geeks and traditional IT folk don't want this. Because the more Apple does this, the more the rest of the market moves in Apple's direction. It's already happening. That spells bad news for the traditionalists.
 
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No surprise to see these types of moves. Seems like Samsung should reconsider their current course of action. Doesn't seem like they're making much if anything with their phone/tablets :p
 
Most of the stuff you mentioned was promised when the device shipped, so you bought it with those things in mind -- and some if it should have been put in before the OS made it past the QA deparement (like scaling modes -- truncating an App is really not acceptable). If Moto never delivered on the Xoom they would have a class-action lawsuit on their hands -- though I am not sure if the 4G has been delivered yet for those who paid for it. In my view, you already paid for most of those features -- you just paid for them in advance.
Well I can assure you I've had some unexpected upgrades out of the last 6 months of development.

"Upgrades" are the things you get that are in addition to what you paid for. I'm talking about things that you did not even know where coming when you bought the device (for iPhone 3Gs users it was multi-tasking, folders, AirPlay, wallpaper, hotspot, iBooks, and soon to be iCloud, Twitter integration, WiFi Sync, Reminders, Newsstand, iMessage, etc....).
The vast majority of those iOS "upgrades" were already possible on Android due to the differences in the way that third party applications can integrate with the system and that Android as an OS already had that functionality. Airsync is one of those applications that bring wireless synchronization and sharing to Android. The difference between Android and iOS is that a third party can fill in any needs that you have and iOS users are at the mercy of Apple if they deem their older hardware capable/worthwhile to add these upgrades.

Because you are smart enough to buy "Nexus" devices like the "Nexus S" and the "Xoom" you are actually getting some of those unexpected goodies too, but most Android owners are not so lucky because the manufacturer would rather sell them a new device than give them an OTA upgrade.
Which OEM's have left their handsets behind out of interest? I'm regularly reading news story after news story of different devices recieving Gingerbread or a Honeycomb update.
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/1064679/o2_rolls_out_htc_sensation_gingerbread_234_update.html
http://www.themobileindian.com/news...with-video-Chat-via-Android-2.3.4-Gingerbread
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/09/14/sprints-lg-optimus-s-gingerbread-update-rolling-out-now/
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/09/13/motorola-droid-r2-d2-gingerbread-update-rolling-out-now/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392582,00.asp
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=16691
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/09/14/sprints-lg-optimus-s-gingerbread-update-rolling-out-now/

Take some time to check out Android news every now and then and you'll see that the update situation isn't as dire and that "most" Android owners are quite lucky. ;)
 
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Most of the stuff you mentioned was promised when the device shipped, so you bought it with those things in mind -- and some if it should have been put in before the OS made it past the QA deparement (like scaling modes -- truncating an App is really not acceptable). If Moto never delivered on the Xoom they would have a class-action lawsuit on their hands -- though I am not sure if the 4G has been delivered yet for those who paid for it. In my view, you already paid for most of those features -- you just paid for them in advance. "Upgrades" are the things you get that are in addition to what you paid for. I'm talking about things that you did not even know where coming when you bought the device (for iPhone 3Gs users it was multi-tasking, folders, AirPlay, wallpaper, hotspot, iBooks, and soon to be iCloud, Twitter integration, WiFi Sync, Reminders, Newsstand, iMessage, etc....). Because you are smart enough to buy "Nexus" devices like the "Nexus S" and the "Xoom" you are actually getting some of those unexpected goodies too, but most Android owners are not so lucky because the manufacturer would rather sell them a new device than give them an OTA upgrade.



Yes Windows Phone had a bug fix update which they completely botched for some users and Mango is due out soon, which should be nice. But you keep saying "where is the demand?" and "where is the need?" I was only pointing out that AppleScruff1 is denouncing Apple for failing to update often when his favorite horse (Microsoft) does not release that often either. I actually believe and agree with you. Where is the need? There is no need. Look at the iPhone and the iPad.... are they doing really well? Has Apple fallen down to competitors who keep releasing a newer hardware version every time a new spec can be crammed in there? No they are not. They are the most valuable company in the world and they are selling more trinkets than anybody. There is value in consistency. People kick and scream when Apple updates something quickly and we hear the cries of "planned obsolescence". Given that a phone carrier contract is anywhere from 18 months to 2 years I am fine with an upgrade every year or so -- as are 99% of customers (especially non-tech-geeks). Further, Apple does a great job providing updates to older devices for a solid 18 to 30 months.



I'll bet the $300 I will pay for my next iPhone. Apple has kept my 3GS updated for more than 2 years now. Since I bought it two years ago running iOS 3.0 it has gotten a ton of new features, and its about to get more features with iOS 5 next month. Multitasking (done without killing my battery), AirPlay, hotspot, folders, updated built-in apps like email, iBooks, and a bunch of other crap I can't even remember. All this was free. No hardware upgrade required. Soon my 28-month-year-old iPhone 3Gs will get iCloud, Twitter integration, iMessage, reminders, Newsstand, WiFi Sync, etc...) If you buy a non-Nexus Google device you are basically screwed by the manufacturer who wants to sell you a new phone and is not going to QA their old phones on the new software. Even the Nexus One owners had to wait quite a while for Gingerbread after the Nexus S was released. New phones are releasing on Gingerbread now with no promise of an upgrade to Ice Cream Sandwich.



You're comical buddy -- that seems to be your favorite word. Your other favorite word: fanaticism. I don't think it means what you think it means. :) I actually like the preview of Windows 8. But to paraphrase Andy Ihnatko, seeing the desktop on Metro is like having the drunken uncle show up to an elegant family wedding. But Metro is sweet looking.

I think it is comical that whenever anybody disagrees with you, then you label them a fanatic and you turn your brain off. Try thinking about your position a bit more. I think you find this is one more instance of the "Pot and the Kettle". I am one "Apple Fanatic" that is rooting for Microsoft and for HP to get their Mobile OS situation figured out and done right. Apple can't be the only serious game in town for the next three years. Microsoft has the best chance because of the money and existing user base they can put behind Windows 8 -- they are first and foremost a software company (not an advertiser like Google is).

And for the record, I don't think Microsoft should release more than one major revision to their Metro stuff per year -- it creates too much fragmentation and confuses customers. I don't think Apple should either.

You make very little sense. Fact of the matter is that iOS is not updated more regularly than, say, windows phone. Fact of the matter is that NoDo was not mere bug-fixes, but concerned additional functionality. Fact of the matter is that Tango 1 and Tango 2 - interim updates before Apollo - will not be mere bug fixes either. Stop talking smack.

Second, i keep asking because your questions make no sense. You seem to imply that there is some intrinsic good with having tons of updates, when - in the real world - that could not be further from the truth. More, faster, updates, simply does not equate better. Thus, for your calls for more updates to hold any relevance at all i need to ask "Why? For what need?".

Third, look at Office and Windows - are they doing really great? Yup. Still dont get your point. How is Apples success with the iphone and ipad correlated with update-speeds of iOS, and how is this in turn related to your questioning of the update-cycles for Office and Windows? In a competition where the device is simply software (Jobs words, not mine), one would think that it had some importance after all.

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Fourth, please hand over your 300 usd. You said in the past 6 months, not in the 2 years you have had your device. Afaik, iOS had 0 updates in the past 6 months. Windows phone had 1.

Fifth, yes, updates are free. That is the new norm you know, not something unique for Apple. You dont think that anyone had to pay to get NoDo and Mango, right? Additionally, carriers would be screwing themselves by not giving you updates. Sure, some have failed early on -- they do not come from software, and thus dont get it very well just yet. But they are learning their lesson (look at SE for example). Will there be a cut-off at some point? Of course, then again that cut-off happened quite naturally for iOS users as well with iOS4. Difference here was that these people had their pre 3gs devices turned to crap by the update (rendering them virtually unusable), with no means to roll things back. How is that so much better?

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We're waiting. Apple has proven you wrong for well over 20 consecutive quarters (Macs, and going by consumer satisfaction reports you've no doubt seen, it's actually 8 years in a row) and lord only knows how long with iOS devices. Probably since their inception.

There's a good chance (understatement) they will continue to do so. We have learned (well, some of us have, who've been paying attention) that specs/performance do not = superior User Experience.

It is the synergy between the software and hardware that counts. If that is difficult to conceptualize, you're not alone. So just look at whatever Apple's been doing and think about it. Then you'll have your answer about what User Experience means and how it's developed.

Troll less, read more. Hay, much?
 
What am I enjoying exactly? I'm more than familiar with Microsofts frameworks layout. I could probably explain how they work to you as well.

.Net was aimed at enterprise, it has failed to put a significant dent into Java because of its lack of platform agnostics, so C# adoption has been limited.

Well to be fair both the demand and market share demand for .net devs has been increasing over the years.
C# is fairly new and I have been in the past few years seeing the demand for C# developers greatly increase and it is being coming one of those programming language that it is a very good idea to know and good idea to have in your tool belt. The job requirements that list C# is increasing a lot in just the past few years.
It has one huge advantage over Java. That is you can develop cross language with it and tie it back in with the older stuff. If you have old C code C# can directly use it. Java can not. Or say you have something in .Net, you can write a model in C# and still use it. At the same time you can have one guy write code in .net, Another in VB.net, another in C# and all the parts will work together just fine.
Java on the other hand it require a lot more hoops to jump threw to pull it off if you can even pull it off either way it is not easy.
 
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