Apple Driving iCloud Conversions with Free Copies of Snow Leopard for MobileMe Users

[Taz Mangus]

You have MORE than enough RAM...

Some people are making the comment that Lion is a RAM hog and I was trying to show that Lion does not use that much more RAM then Snow Leopard did. Of course there has to be a minimum requirement but RAM is cheap, even 8GB is on the order of $40 these days. So the argument about Lion being a resource hog is a pretty weak argument for not upgrading to Lion. And yes there are other factors people need to consider when deciding to upgrade.

 

[ixodes]

She's not missing out on anything. Lion is laggy as hell and it chews up RAM as well. If she wants a computer that just works, she'll appreciate Snow Leopard far more, even at 10.7.3, Lion still feels like a Beta test. It really is Apple's Vista. The fact that Apple is pushing for people to get a free copy of Snow Leopard to get Lion is proof of that, they badly want people to switch to Lion, but the consumer knows better.

While I think you're comments are a bit strong, I don't disagree with your take on this situation overall.

All my Macs but one, are on 10.6.8. It's the very best version of OS X for my use. Within the engineering environment at work it's simply stellar, something I cannot say about my Lion equipped 13" MBA. I bought it upon release, specifically for the purpose of trying Lion under optimum conditions. IE: preloaded on a new Mac optimized to run 10.7.x

I'm very disappointed, yet I'm not bashing Apple about it, since I understand why they made it with beginners in mind.

For those coming to Apple via an iToyz device, they will find the same iCandy & familiar layout as they have on their iPhone or iPad.

It's Apples best work to date in an effort to keep the momentum up, as they garner the headlines and massive profits they crave. Lion shows well in the mass market stores. During day to day usage in a professional setting, not so much.

 

[The Phazer]

Some people are making the comment that Lion is a RAM hog and I was trying to show that Lion does not use that much more RAM then Snow Leopard did. Of course there has to be a minimum requirement but RAM is cheap, even 8GB is on the order of $40 these days. So the argument about Lion being a resource hog is a pretty weak argument for not upgrading to Lion. And yes there are other factors people need to consider when deciding to upgrade.

RAM being cheap is pretty irrelevant when Apple are soldering it to the motherboard now leaving machines completely unupgradable.

Lets not forget that Apple are still shipping non-upgradable Air's with 2GB of RAM.

Phazer

 

[doelcm82]

While I think you're comments are a bit strong, I don't disagree with your take on this situation overall.

All my Macs but one, are on 10.6.8. It's the very best version of OS X for my use. Within the engineering environment at work it's simply stellar, something I cannot say about my Lion equipped 13" MBA. I bought it upon release, specifically for the purpose of trying Lion under optimum conditions. IE: preloaded on a new Mac optimized to run 10.7.x

I'm very disappointed, yet I'm not bashing Apple about it, since I understand why they made it with beginners in mind.

For those coming to Apple via an iToyz device, they will find the same iCandy & familiar layout as they have on their iPhone or iPad.

It's Apples best work to date in an effort to keep the momentum up, as they garner the headlines and massive profits they crave. Lion shows well in the mass market stores. During day to day usage in a professional setting, not so much.

Heh. Heh. It's funny when you say you aren't bashing Apple about it. Bashing with faint praise is still bashing.

 

[milo]

Seems really weird, they want people to run iCloud so they offer a free upgrade to 10.6...which doesn't run iCloud.

I guess it is a nice opportunity to get it free if you don't already have it, although I would never recommend going to Lion in a million years.

I'd say if you're not on 10.6, go for it and get the update. But either get it and say on 10.6 (which I suspect many people will do), or wait until 10.8 is out and skip straight to that, it looks to basically be Snow Lion, even though Apple is trying to avoid that perception. I just can't recommend running 10.7, especially with 10.8 so close on the horizon.

Apple probably isn't seeing nearly the iCloud adoption they'd like...but if they really want that the smart thing would be to release 10.6.9 with iCloud support instead of this convoluted mess. In my case I have an older machine that can't run 10.7, without iCloud support in Snow Leopard I won't be running iCloud at all. And I'm sure I'm not the only one in that situation.

 

[Ngorkes]

The link

What's the link to this

 

[milo]

No one is "forced" to do anything.

Did you forget that apple is forcing people to stop using MobileMe (by shutting it down)?

So maybe you can explain what those incredible technologies are. I am still waiting for someone to tell me why I should install Lion (or even Snow Leopard) on my Mac Pro that is running Leopard.

SL just runs better than Leopard in many ways. In my case it was worth upgrading just to be able to run apps like Logic in 64 bit, a huge performance improvement. I totally agree with people who don't want to go to 10.7, but 10.6.8 is actually a big improvement over 10.5.

they stil makes those things

You don't use a USB cable? I'm dying to know how you charge your iPhone.

I've used mobile me for years and that's all iCloud is really.

Would it really be so hard to compare the feature list for each before making erroneous statements like that?

 

[*LTD*]

Did you forget that apple is forcing people to stop using MobileMe (by shutting it down)?

So?

What, you think services last forever?

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-shuts-down-msn-direct-service

In any case, Apple has replaced it to whatever degree with iCloud.

If consumers don't like it, they can LEAVE. It's just that simple.

 

[dellar]

Oh come on, are you telling me people didn't post a lot of complaints in the Leopard/Snow Leopard forums? Back when snow leopard was 10.6.0-10.6.3 (the same number of iterations as Lion today), I saw a lot of problems about crashes and bugs and people complaining about how SL was not a "better Leopard". Same with the Leopard release. You wouldn't believe the amount of Time Machine issues people had. People rarely post about good experiences on those threads. More people will post if they actually have a problem. The rest of us are too busy enjoying Lion to post our experience.

This sounds like you made it up to justify your experience. I don't remember this many people complaining of Leopard and Snow Leopard. I've bought every Mac OS since version 7 and Lion is the first one I regretted and happily (actually more than happily) went back to Snow Leopard on all 6 macs. Even 10.0 which was slow and incomplete at least gave a positive indication on where the Mac was heading. Lion doesn't.

Lion is not a good OS. If your telling yourself anything else you're delusional.

 

[InuNacho]

Just because it works fine for YOU, doesn't mean it works fine for EVERYONE.

Just go to the Lion and Mountain Lion forums and you'll see a lot of complaints about bugs, lag, etc.

These is an Apple oriented forum, you have to remember that if it works for one person it magically works for all.

 

[milo]

So?

What, you think services last forever?

I was responding to the statement that Apple doesn't force people to do things with an example of them forcing people to do something.

In any case, Apple has replaced it to whatever degree with iCloud.

The key there is "to whatever degree". A number of features are missing and for anyone with older hardware, switching to the new service isn't an option. There are many cases where people with older stuff can just keep using it and ignore newer versions, but this is an exception.

If consumers don't like it, they can LEAVE.

No, in this particular case everyone HAS to leave. There is a new service taking its place but it doesn't have all the features and has more limited availability.

 

[ixodes]

you have to remember that if it works for one person it magically works for all.

Thanks for the BEST laugh of the day.

Magical as in the slogan used to introduce the first iPad :

"It's Magical & Revolutionary"

Magical is one of the most overused words in the Apple lexicon as created by Stevie Jobs.

Not too much unlike the word "Sale" that retailers use to draw in women shoppers.

In AppleLand it's always "Magical"

Too funny.

Thanks for Friday Humor At It's Finest

 

[Fergo]

The provided link is not working for me - stuck in the spinning wheel...

 

[Bregalad]

+1. I am still on MobileMe because they idiotically removed keychain sync for no reason and with no replacement.

I have never wanted to sync my keychains or bookmarks or most of the other things MobileMe sync'd. My work computer is for work and my home computer is for personal stuff. There's very little overlap.

I'm still on MobileMe because I have no interest in Lion. I will soon be forced to use Lion at work so I'll be able to use that machine to save my @mac.com email address, but my iMac at home is staying on Snow Leopard. Mountain Lion isn't appealing either. I'm sure they'll take off some of the rough edges in Lion, but it'll be even more like iOS and the sandboxing will break every cross-application tool out there (launchers, scripts, macro tools). I can see some huge productivity drops for people who make use of such tools on a regular basis.

 

[johnny_b]

Apple doesn't make any money on supporting your old machines. Apple is in their full right to close MM and give iCloud out for free and to close that in ~5 years for something else. Is it a good way to run your business? Well, looks like it. But it certainly pisses of some people, but it doesn't matter, you still buy their products. Apple win, you loose

If you want your old hardware to last longer Apple is not your company. Try a lightweight Linux on your machine and your machine will get a new spring. But without the "Apple" experience.

 

[ixodes]

My issue with all of this is that Apple is supporting legacy Windows systems while failing to support SL.
I would gladly move to Lion, but I don't have hardware that supports it.
But if I had a similar age PC with an older version of Windows, it would support iCloud.
I understand Apple's desire to sell me updated hardware, but shouldn't that same analogy apply to Windows/PC users?

I'm with you in thinking as you do.

That said, I believe the reason Apple is offering more to Windows users is the fact that it will attract the most windows users possible. In turn Apple achieves the bragging rights they crave.

On the Apple side, they know their user base very well. As one can see there's a lot of peer pressure to adopt Apples absolute latest version of OS X. Many of the Apple believers, love to attack and insult those who say or do anything based on their own preferences, or thinking for themselves.

The popular myth is Apple knows what's best for you, even more than you do. The believers are so convinced, anyone that disagrees is looked down upon.

Finally it's the "keeping up with the Jones" scenario, where it's assumed that everyone must have the latest or be left in the dust. An attitude that's already proven successful and sold an incredibly high volume of Apple computers, pads, pods & phones.

Apples careful & cleverly crafted marketing is sheer brilliance, having proven itself time after time. For that alone, it's all quite impressive. No one has influence and power over their customer base like Apple does.

This strategy (even if it smells of self serving early obsolescence) will sell one heck of a lot of new hardware for Apple, just what they need to approach the trillion dollar mark.

Steve would be thrilled.

 

[Mac2012]

Would it really be so hard to compare the feature list for each before making erroneous statements like that?

 

[Ryanalogy]

No. Not true at all. You put the shared file in your pubic dropbox folder then control-click to "dropbox" and hit "copy public link". From there just send the link to those who you want to share it with. All they have to do is click the link.

Thank you!

 

[yourmn]

I've already migrated to iCloud, requested my disk last Thursday from the Link and it came via Fedex today - Not bad Apple!

 

[Richdmoore]

Package arrived today via FedEx 2 day. It includes a disc (version 10.6.3) in a paper sleeve, and a thick CD sized book titled Software License Agreement For Max OS X Snow Leopard.

 

[milo]

I'll take your silly meme photo instead of answering the question as...

Yes, it is too hard for me to compare the feature list before making erroneous statements.

You said iCloud is really just MobileMe - seriously, you're completely ignorant of iDisk? The web hosting? The galleries features (and yes, there is some gallery stuff but so far with much less functionality)?

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Apple doesn't make any money on supporting your old machines.

Not directly, but certainly indirectly.

If they support machines long enough that buyers are happy, they keep buying macs. Obviously Apple hopes that cutting off support will motivate mac owners to buy new ones...but if support is cut off too soon, buyers are pissed off and look at alternatives instead of buying another mac. Length of support IS a criteria that users consider when they're buying.

And yes, of course apple has the right to do things like closing services and cutting off support for machines. It's just a question of whether it's in their best interest since users also have the right to take their money elsewhere.

you still buy their products.

Not necessarily. Last time I bought a new machine I was ready to send a couple grand Apple's way, but they blew it for me so I went Hackintosh. Apple's loss.

 

[Morod]

Received the SL disk today via FedEx as well. Thanks, !

 

[twoodcc]

that's nice of them

 

[Wild-Bill]

iPetition

Petition to to make iCloud available to Snow Leopard users.

-->! http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/apple-must-make-icloud-available-to-snow-leopard-users/ !<--


Windows 7 users have iCloud........why don't WE ?!?!????!!

 

[goosnarrggh]

Petition to to make iCloud available to Snow Leopard users.

-->! http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/apple-must-make-icloud-available-to-snow-leopard-users/ !<--


Windows 7 users have iCloud........why don't WE ?!?!????!!

Windows Vista users have iCloud. That's a slightly older vintage than Leopard, let alone Snow Leopard.