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That 4gb download of Lion is going to suck, especially for Canadians where Bell and Rogers (basically the only two ISPs) customers are limited to 2gb entry level service at bell (or 25gb for the next best) and 15gb with Rogers.

Just make a release of Lion on DVD.

Bell doesn't currently advise of any data caps on any of their DSL or Fibre plans in the Nova Scotia market. They simply have the generic statement that they will "manage" the bandwidth of individual customers who are, at Bell's sole discretion, causing detrimental effects on the overall system.
 
Can't Update

I am becoming an orphan. Both my G4 Mac's still work. I'm 74 on SS and a small pension. At this point, the only path to keep my e-mail account is on my iPod touch. Of course the "Cloud" will be of no use to me. Now I know how users of OS9 felt when OS10 was released.
 
She's not missing out on anything. Lion is laggy as hell and it chews up RAM as well. If she wants a computer that just works, she'll appreciate Snow Leopard far more, even at 10.7.3, Lion still feels like a Beta test. It really is Apple's Vista. The fact that Apple is pushing for people to get a free copy of Snow Leopard to get Lion is proof of that, they badly want people to switch to Lion, but the consumer knows better.

even with 6gb of ram lion feels somewhat sluggish and it drains battery.
 
My issue with all of this is that Apple is supporting legacy Windows systems while failing to support SL.
I would gladly move to Lion, but I don't have hardware that supports it.
But if I had a similar age PC with an older version of Windows, it would support iCloud.
I understand Apple's desire to sell me updated hardware, but shouldn't that same analogy apply to Windows/PC users?
 
If you recall, if you were an iOS developer they made iCloud available for Snow Leopard so you could test it with iOS 5. Besides a few slight bugs it worked just fine. Of course shortly before Lion was released it was no longer available.

Point is, it can be done because it HAS been done. Why the short memories?

I remember that clearly, just as I remember that "Siri" was initially touted to be available for the iPhone 4. That was pulled, and "Siri" became the selling point for the 4S. Some speculated that was due to a new iPhone that was shelved, for whatever reasons, and the "backup" 4S was released. As general consumers wouldn't notice the hardware differences, Apple made "Siri" a consumer point to pimp out the 4S. Lion is in much the same vein, making iCloud exclusive to it forces many to OS X Lion, even though, as you stated, iCloud was initially on the road to SL use.

In the end, it's all about money and image. The main reason Lion is in high use is iCloud integration, followed by high Notebook and iMac sales with Lion. This doesn't necessarily mean it's popular, in fact many Apple/MacRumors/etc threads are filled with complaints and I have a ton of bug reports still open and acknowledged by Apple engineers.

Thankfully, I have SL running on another SSD, with help from the many threads on MacRumors, I finally got Address Book in SL to sync my contacts (after getting the correct info for my iCloud account, the trick that many figured out was removing any images from your contacts as, for some reason, they created duplicates in SL - not in iCloud thankfully). Once that was done, my contacts, mail, bookmarks and calendars are fully syncing in SL 10.6.8. :)
 
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I always thought it was interesting that Apple would support iCloud on Windows Vista but not OS X Snow Leopard :(.

iCloud is OK. Nothing really special. I'm still kind of sore about what they took out of MobileMe when transitioning to iCloud. It forced me to use DropBox and I still haven't found a good replacement for MobileMe Gallery.

For folks that worked on multiple Macs, I'm sure the loss of key chain and prefs is pretty crappy too.

Photostream is alright... I like the way it works in Windows more than the way it works in iPhoto on OS X Lion. But w/e.
 
So my options are upgrade to Lion or lose my .mac account (or me.com, mobile me... whatever it has been called) that I have has since I first used it as a free beta app? For how many years now?

If you want to keep syncing the info directly to your computer, yes. You must upgrade to Lion.

If you don't care about that, then move your account over and have at it. You might have to go to iCloud.com to read your email, or use your iOS 5 devices for that but it will work.

Otherwise come June, they will just zap that unmoved Mobile Me account and you will lose it. And likely with no way to get it back.
 
If you want to keep syncing the info directly to your computer, yes. You must upgrade to Lion.

If you don't care about that, then move your account over and have at it. You might have to go to iCloud.com to read your email, or use your iOS 5 devices for that but it will work.

Otherwise come June, they will just zap that unmoved Mobile Me account and you will lose it. And likely with no way to get it back.

No, you can get your contacts, calendars, mail, notes and bookmarks fulling syncing with 10.6.8 and iCloud. You will not have Picture Streaming. If you want, I can help you with it. It takes a little work, mail, notes and bookmarks need no work. Calendars and contacts need a bit of work to get your iCloud server and account info, and you need to remove any pics associated with your contacts. Got SL fully syncing.
 
agreed, I have Lion and ive never used iCloud, I really still dont see the point of iCloud unless you have unlimited Data on your iDevice

to me is pointless since it just work for apple application, it doesn't even accept pdf!!
and if you use itunes wifi-sync you don't really need it that much for music/photos/contacts/calendar.
 
Apple, I might have upgraded to Lion by now if you hadn't axed Rosetta.

Which wouldn't have been an issue if the 3rd party companies like Intuit hadn't been lazy about rewriting their software ages ago when Mac went Intel.

So basically you are griping at Apple over something that these other companies didn't do.
 
iCloud is the future of the internet and data storage.
Not my data.

Local storage is cheap and keeps getting cheaper, and SATA is a heck of a lot faster than AFP-over-TCP/IP-over-Ethernet-over-PPP-over-Ethernet-over-ATM-over-ADSL.
 
Staying with Snow Leopard

This strikes me as something of a desperation move. I already upgraded to Snow Leopard and am staying there. Changing my e-mail as it's the only feature of mobile me I used with any regularity. No desire to install Lion after reading the reviews of it on Apple's site. Worst OS reviews I've ever seen for Apple, and I've been using Macs since the '80s.
 
I'm still holding out hope that SL 10.6.9 will have iCloud access in it. Please, Apple, make it so.

Get over it. Snow Leopard is dead. There is and will not be a 10.6.9. Apple has moved on.

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Sure ..
* Spaces for once, I am not very fond of the new iOSy layout (personal preferences, not to bad)
* no way to permanently disable this dull "Reopen Windows at Restart" crap (the little checkbox at shutdown) .. even fighting with the Reopen Windows at Application launch (and there is even a general checkbox for that ...)
* Where is the Finder bar telling you the free space
* Grey icons/themes (I know those can be changed, but I don't want to do it all over every update)
* Login Screen with all the service demons that can't even log on
* Don't even get me started on the new XCode and the llvm compiler
* Not very fond of the AutoSave / Save Duplicate thing, although it hasn't caused to much trouble for me yet .. they just "fixed" something that wasn't broken, which is always dangerous (from a usability point of view).

I believe the question was what are the glitches. Not 'what are the things you find annoying'. Perhaps only one thing on that list is a glitch. THe rest are just things you don't like.

A glitch might be that some older wifi routers including some older Airport routers went bonkers if you did an upgrade and wouldn't stay online until the user did a wipe and fresh install of Lion. Although that might be more a glitch of the older equipment and not Lion but it was a noticeable and more than 'mere annoyance' for those that were hit with it.
 
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard: why upgrade to Snow Leopard first and then to Lion, when you can simply install Lion without having Snow Leopard?

They want to make folks actually realize what the Mac App Store is all about. And to pay at least some of the cash that the rest of us paid.

I bet that to install Mountain Lion, Apple will give you a copy of OS 9.0, Jaguar, Tiger, Snow Leopard, and Lion for free and you'll have to install all of them in the right order in order to get Mountain Lion.

And I bet you are just trying to be an asshat.

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I have a rather embarrassing problem and a big dilemma to boot....

Whilst I gain the use of top-end MacPros and MacBook Pros in the studios I work in for my job, I still have only two very old PowerBook G4s at home for email and the odd small job. I can't move to iCloud!

No you CAN use iCloud. You just can't sync your stuff to your computer.

And to be honest, given that you are talking about two computers that are so far out of warranty even all the various extended coverage laws requiring Apple to service it at your cost are over, it's beyond time for you to replace your computers. I'm sure those odd jobs would love for you to be able to use software that isn't easily two versions behind. And you would certainly get the work done a lot faster.
 
They want to make folks actually realize what the Mac App Store is all about. And to pay at least some of the cash that the rest of us paid.

THIS

and not to mention the only way to install Lion without the MAS is a 79$ USB version of Lion this way they are giving people a cheaper fast track way to go from Leopard to Lion for $29
 
Just make a release of Lion on DVD.
The point of them not putting it on DVD is that they are trying to go fully digital (Which is where the market is headed)... PLUS, the Macbook Air doesn't even have an optical drive which means how would someone install an operating system with a dvd? It would just confuse people to have 2 different ways. I can download 4gb with my Verizon connect card in 15 minutes max.
 
LOL
how nice from them, to give me a FREE SL so that i can BUY lion so that i can finally access to that great thing which is iCloud.
no thanks, this kind of advertisement just works on kids..

Well then lets just cut that offer and make everyone either pay $79 for the USB drive, buy a brand new computer for $600+ or lose their Mobile Me accounts come June.

That's a way better way of doing it.

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And the other day I got a notice that my iPhone will no longer back up to iCloud because I'm out of room. The only thing I've used that storage for is my iPhone backup. So if Apple's service can't even handle an iPhone backup (which is what it's supposed to be for), it's not very useful.

So iCloud sucks because they only gave you 5GB of free space and that's not enough for the 10GB+ of stuff you have on your iPhone.

Yeah that's totally Apple's fault
 
I finally upgraded my original Mac Pro (late 2006) to Lion this past weekend, primarily so I could get all my computers/devices synced up to iCloud, which I also converted to (from MobileMe) at the same time. No issues so far--everything seems to be working as it should.
 
The link didn't work for me.
It just redirect me to iCloud and Find My iPhone.

Too bad, I'd have loved free discs.

Anyone else have that problem?
 
The link didn't work for me.
It just redirect me to iCloud and Find My iPhone.

Too bad, I'd have loved free discs.

Anyone else have that problem?

Are you still on MobileMe, or did you do the migration to iCloud? I was curious about what the criteria actually would be.

EDIT: I've migrated to iCloud already, and it let me order my copy no problem, so that's not it.

jW
 
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So which is it? :rolleyes:

Your first sentence says the Lion USB key can only upgrade a SL installation, then you say it can do a clean install, which is the exact opposite of an upgrade..

It is both. If you want to do a clean install, run Disk Utility while booted into Lion install and erase the HD first and then start the Lion install. If you want to do a upgrade only then skip the HD erase and just do the Lion install.


Sixteen gigs of RAM? Do you people actually think it's normal to need that much memory? Has OSX really become that bloated? I'm running the Windows 8 developer's preview on 6 gigs of RAM and it's going great.

I have Lion installed on a 2009 2.0GHz Mac-Mini with 4GB of RAM on it and Lion runs great on it. RAM is cheap these days so why not add it if you can. Besides the more RAM you have the less you have to worry about page-outs due to running multiple programs at the same time.
 
She's not missing out on anything. Lion is laggy as hell and it chews up RAM as well. If she wants a computer that just works, she'll appreciate Snow Leopard far more, even at 10.7.3, Lion still feels like a Beta test. It really is Apple's Vista. The fact that Apple is pushing for people to get a free copy of Snow Leopard to get Lion is proof of that, they badly want people to switch to Lion, but the consumer knows better.

If what you say is true then my 2009 2.0GHz Mac-Mini with 4GB should run like crap with Lion installed on it. Quite the opposite, no lag and there is no issue with the amount of RAM. RAM is cheap any ways these days. Have you actually used Lion to any extent or are you just parroting what others say about Lion? It sounds like the latter.

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Just make a release of Lion on DVD.

Now you want to force people that own the MacBook Air to have to buy an external DVD drive just because you want Lion on a DVD. Lion is available on a USB stick and has for quite some time.
 
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