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Not all Chinese manufacturers are bad. The reason why China got a reputation for cheap products had nothing to do with Chinese people or corporations but an American corporation specifically one that wanted the cheapest possible items and bought it in bulk to sell at an extreme markup. 60 years later they’re still doing this.
You say that as if we live in a universe where AliExpress does not exist.
 
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So Apple must have some type of ‘inspection test’ randomly if they caught this ‘change’ that BOE made at some point. My question is, when are these inspections conducted and who conducts them that can find anomalies with alterations?
 
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Cutting edge is a bit tougher to pull off when there is a supply crisis. How will they make more money while producing less things? Get ready for a $1,500 iPhone Y.
 
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Changing specifications behind a client's back to reduce operating costs? That's a big no-no.
Its pretty normal in this space, although it usually isn't to reduce operating costs but increase yields. Just like an architect will design a house and then the builders have to change the design to make it actually work, PCB designers will design a board and to increase yields, the PCB maker will make slight modifications to make it work without informing the parent company. This is also how companies keep clients, when they switch to someone else and their quality plummets, they'll come back without knowing why the competitor was so bad.
 
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When will Tim Cook ever learn that BOE is not the way to go? Just go with Samsung and LG. I just don’t understand why he is taking risk to squeeze pennies. BOE has been unreliable for years.
 
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If you want to see how bad this used to be, read "Poorly made in China."

You basically have to have a dedicated QA team on-site. For smaller customers you're basically screwed if the manufacturer does this.

It's interesting, I've talked to a few people now that would rather manufacture here because of behavior like this. I mean, you order, and what happens if they send you 20,000 units but have the color wrong? You're not going to return it or sue them; you're stuck.

One person who does small lots (5000 pieces) say that US small-MOQ manufacturing is better now. From a machinery and tooling point of view small-MOQ equipment is becoming more accessible as well, although it's amusing that most of those are made in China too.

Remember that great line from Ozark: "It's not the first time they stole, it's the first time they got caught."
 
In a previous role I was involved in developing products manufactured in the Far East, but the further down the supply chain you go the lower the quality. When we got 3 or 4 layers down there was no QA process, but unfortunately there was also no incoming inspection so problems got into the end products.

FWIW we tried buying display products from BOE, they were more communicative and helpful than their Japanese/Korean competitors, but seemed to be a bit behind on bleeding edge technology.
 
I disagree. China is known for dodgy practices in general. You have them manufactoring dangerous knock off chargers, selling questionable batteries, stealing IP, selling equipment that failed QC or a device that was supposed to be destroyed, and making design/material changes without approval.
That’s such an American take. Not all of China is “dodgy”, based on a few knock off manufactures. Also high priced, name brands, with big marketing budgets doesn’t mean quality. Like the original commenter said, it’s the American companies setting that cheap standard, to make the most profit possible. Knock offs are just cutting off the American middle man.
 
That’s a big no-no in the manufacturing world. Especially in electronics where everything is tested in a certain configuration and any change goes through Engineering test changes.

Surprised Apple didn’t put them on Probation.
 
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I disagree. China is known for dodgy practices in general. You have them manufactoring dangerous knock off chargers, selling questionable batteries, stealing IP, selling equipment that failed QC or a device that was supposed to be destroyed, and making design/material changes without approval.

You are blaming contract manufacturers who manufacture to a design for a price.

Besides not being design responsible they are likely not certification responsible. The designer distributor is likely responsible for this.

Of course there are manufacturers and assemblers who cheat in their operations too. It’s just not as one sided as your remark indicates.
 
I live in Asia. Been here for 20 years. If you don’t run your own QC (Apple obviously does) then many of the locals in China feel as if they’ve achieved something spectacular if they can get away with dropping quality midway, to pocket more money. It’s an endemic problem in Asia, and many, many foreign companies learned the hard way.

US manufacturers once took great pride in “a job well done.” Japanese manufacturers are about perfection. Germans will over-engineer a product to amazing specs. But Chinese will wheel and deal in a lightning fashion, then pull the rug out from under quality and feel absolutely giddy if they can get away with giving less than was ordered. Proud, in fact.

Of course, there are companies who have learned long term gains are better than short term cheats. Juggernauts like Apple will give their business to the first group, and dump the rest like a bad habit.

It’s not racist to call this out. China is not a race. It is a cultural issue they have been changing (but it still exists). Korea was once this way, but it has become a world leader in tech, and they are darned proud of it.

I’ve restructured and desourced American suppliers who have done similar.

Some of my own employer’s plant managers (in EU and the Americas) accepted the risks associated with doing this to our customers just to increase their performance metric numbers. They were caught after their cheats caused recalls and near recalls.

Greed, and fear, are powerful motivators for unethical actions world-wide.

This is why, even with zero-defect and self-certification strategies, regular continuing conformance spot checks and audits by the purchasing or regulating authority are necessary.

Skeptical? Think it’s only Asia? Then, may I remind you of a decade-long emissions fraud scheme conducted by the VW Group?
 
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