What is the ASP for the brands that are in 1 - 5? I'm betting it is no where near the $900+ Apple has achieved for ASP.
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Apple Drops to Sixth Place in China's Smartphone Market
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Yeah they’re still attending college after all. That’s why I added especially in front of both wealthy and poor, especially since I’ve taught wealthy students before. But it’s just a typical university so the income and class level has a reasonable spread likely representative of those who attend university in China.
One key factor that affects the college kid poll is also that the phones they are using are kind of like school graduation presents from their parents because they’re finally finished high school and don’t have all the phone and computer restrictions anymore and are going off to another city to attend college. So money is coming 100% from their parents who might also be willing to spend a bit more than they would usually on a phone.
It’s also English majors, I’ve wondered how the breakdown would change for say Engineering majors.
so most of this leads me to price as THE determining factor. But it’s not like those street vendors and drivers who are using Oppo phones used to use iPhone and then suddenly switched because iPhone got too expensive either. Another complicating factor is that many many people are perfectly willing to just use an old iPhone that can be bought on taobao or second hand or even just use the same phone for years if they are price conscious but still like iPhone. A lot of posts here are trying to present Chinese people as all tech maniacs who need the latest XTREME tech but that seems very untrue and like others have implied many end up getting their new tech innovations from wechat and Alipay updates rather than phone hardware. But people do like a good camera.
Oh, 100%. I'm not encouraging that or agreeing with that, but people are bored with the "same" iPhone, whereas the competition in China is far greater, innovative, and higher quality.
While some people certainly balk at the cost of US made products I feel your claim is a gross generalization. We simply don't have the choice in many cases.
For me, it depends on if I have the choice and if I do I generally seek out those choices. Obviously quality products can be made in china but more and more are just cheap knock offs, one only needs look at Amazon for examples.
This is a great video:
Play stupid games comes to mind! Buy cheap crap and burn your house down.
I never ever noticed this. But now I can’t unsee it. Thanks for ruining iPhone for me 🤣
Of course you can buy Chinese phones in the US, just not Huawei. It sucks that I can't buy a Huawei, since they make awesome phones.
I'm using a Chinese smartphone, a OnePlus (Oppo), and I like it more than the iPhone. For starters, I can have 2TB of storage thanks to having a microSD slot. Secondly, I can root/jailbreak and have a firewall*, because subsequent update doesn't break root/jailbreak. Finally, multiple ways of easily getting stuff on and off my phone unlike the PITA methods required on the iPhone.
*Firewall is an absolute deal breaker. I don't care if a phone can fold/zoom 100x/blue bubble/download p*rn 100x faster. No firewall, no phone.
90% of iPhone users and Samsung users charge their phone overnight. Because it charges so damn slow, there is no other way around it.
The people I know using fast charging phones just plugs in their phone for a few minuets when it’s low on battery, during showers, or dressing up before heading out.
You essentially forget your phone has a battery because it fills up so fast.
People charge at night because they have to? Come on.... lol
I charge my phone in the kitchen at night because I'm not using it and won't be interacting with. Why bother otherwise? Not because it's slow, but because it's convenient. I almost never need to charge during the day, and usually head to bed with 30-40% remaining.
Once all-day batteries became a thing, charging speed mostly doesn't matter anymore.
But apple shareholders with a couple dozen of apple shares justify iPhone purchases cause they think they are getting rich. 🤣
I think 7 is a bigger part of it than the other 6 items you mentioned but Apple has been too conservative with the iPhone line and not aggressive enough in the low end to middle of the market.
The problem is OnePlus isn't top end, you can't even buy Oppo in the U.S. Huawei is by far better in leading edge tech.
Back in 2019, when night mode on iPhone was still in its infancy, you could already do literal moonshots at 50X using P30 Pro. You could take shots in complete darkness because of computation photography.
Americans are insulated from leading edge tech, so they think it's new. They think satellite SMS is "new" when it was available last year. They'll think mechanical variable aperture is a "new" thing in 2025/2026 when it's available this year on Pura 70.
You see a lot of posters here think "patriotism" is the main reason because they have no visibility on Huawei features. Similar to Tesla, there is no Xpeng, Huawei, Nio, BYD, Li Auto in the U.S. So Americans think Tesla is the bee's knees when it's kinda crap in tech compared to others.
This right here. I would also add those saying otherwise (likely a majority of buyers If I had to guess) have nostalgia goggles on and are trying to catch the feeling of iPhone 4-6. They will try to justify their nostalgia goggles by saying ”oooh, a new button“ or “wow, the chip is X nm so now I can play COD Mobile with 125 frames instead of 120 frames (when I redownload the game after forgetting about it for 8 months)”.
The market is boring. But then again, we need new smartphones every few years. So round and round we go.
Back-on-topic-reply: Chinese patriotism and more interesting options are likely the top reasons for Apple’s drop there.
1, 2 and 4 you’re wrong. Any file I have on my phone is automatically available on my Mac via ICloud for instance. It doesn’t get easier than that.
I guess I'd have to care about any of these things in order to value them. I am not interested in the iCamera with phone functionality, I want an iPhone that takes "decent" pictures. Hence I could care less about keep up with the jones's on camera features. If 5 extra MP or 2 higher optical zoom gets the chinese buying public excited then they can have it, they are also saddled with their government spying on everything they do so.......
There was an article on Macrumors comparing glare and colours between iPhone 15 and Galaxy S24 Ultra. iPhone’s display looked downright pedestrian.
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That’s what I’m saying all the time. You can get a better specced mobile phone for half the price on every street corner in China. Also Chinese people are paying much greater attention to what the phone is capable of. Apple can lower the price in China what they want but it will still lose market share by better offerings from the competition.
Chinese people all use WeChat and other home grown platforms, so Apple's platform has no advantage there. Nobody cares about green bubbles blue bubbles. There's no shortage of choices for cheaper and still pretty good hardware. Apple mainly has the market share it does due to brand/luxury/western cachet, but that's waning with rising nationalist/anti American sentiment
Isn't iPhone the most expensive line of phones out there? It should not be near the number one spot in countries whose average income earner earns far less than what would make an iPhone "affordable" to them. Until iPhones are king of the low end phones too you can forget about them dominating in nations that can produce phones that are more than good enough for average people. Why pay the cost of 5 phones in one when you can buy 5 affordable phones during the time you would own the one iPhone? And those phones would get better every year for much less.
I’ll buy number 10, but frankly the rest sound like a lot of hooey. Please note that these are percentage figures; we’ll know next week if their unit sales changed in that market.
I'm glad that more people in China are caring more about phones' functionality instead of buying an Apple phone as a status symbol.
When people buy Apple products as status symbols, it only encourages that greedy MBA degree-holding corporate suit scumbag Tim Cook to continue providing as little value (in terms of functionality) to customers in order to maximize profits.
When people buy Apple products as status symbols, it only encourages that greedy MBA degree-holding corporate suit scumbag Tim Cook to continue providing as little value (in terms of functionality) to customers in order to maximize profits.
Which speaks for itself how much of non-issue it really is. Also, comparing that white line to a physical hole on the screen in terms of obstruction, to me, is laughable. Apps had attempted to make notch less of an issue, but not too many considered that “Dynamic Island” yet.
Still using the iPhone and the iPad. Haven't booted the Mac in years.
