Truffy
macrumors 6502a
OMFG if only MR hadn't removed the down vote option.Not a big deal. It's still the same PC game whether it's on Windows 7 or Windows 8. That's the only reason people bootcamp isn't it, for PC games?
Apple Drops Windows 7 Boot Camp Support in New Mac Pro
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As has been mentioned, secure boot and hardware compatibility is why there is no Win7, and that's ok. If legacy support (I hate to say it, but Win7 is legacy at this time regardless of it's footprint) is important in a high performance product, Dell, HP, Lenovo all have options for you.
As for the Win8 argument - The funny part to all of this is that, as an MS Partner, they have been telling people that the start menu is changing to universal search since vista.
Every official usability and training platform I have seen from them for many years now has said that common applications pin to the task bar and to open or launch anything else hit the windows key and start typing.
This was a thought process that works very well in Mac (The Dock and Command-Spacebar for spotlight) which they borrowed.
If you ever trained your users for anything post-XP, then you should be able to give them 8.1 with a boot-to-desktop option and the start menu defaulting to show-all-apps with no out of the ordinary difficulty.
The real issue is that people haven't been retrained since 95. While having people re-learn systems all the time for no reason is bad sense, that isn't the case here. We are over 20 years on the point-and-click system, and the new (TaskBar/Universal Search) system is better for productivity.
The "Metro" Favorites / all-apps display is actually better for people who are looking for a "Simple" system and/or get confused by dozens/hundreds of nested menu's. (Note, again, consider this "Launchpad" - Something great for a subset of the population).
Win 8.1 is much better than Win8 in the UI department, and the underpinnings of Win8 have been great all along. I anticipate Win9 will be largely like Win8 (maybe with an option to suppress the Metro screen and just give you a search box when you hit the Windows key) and after a bunch of learning, most people will get used to it and either have similar productivity to before, or better for those who embrace the new system.
Karl P
As for the Win8 argument - The funny part to all of this is that, as an MS Partner, they have been telling people that the start menu is changing to universal search since vista.
Every official usability and training platform I have seen from them for many years now has said that common applications pin to the task bar and to open or launch anything else hit the windows key and start typing.
This was a thought process that works very well in Mac (The Dock and Command-Spacebar for spotlight) which they borrowed.
If you ever trained your users for anything post-XP, then you should be able to give them 8.1 with a boot-to-desktop option and the start menu defaulting to show-all-apps with no out of the ordinary difficulty.
The real issue is that people haven't been retrained since 95. While having people re-learn systems all the time for no reason is bad sense, that isn't the case here. We are over 20 years on the point-and-click system, and the new (TaskBar/Universal Search) system is better for productivity.
The "Metro" Favorites / all-apps display is actually better for people who are looking for a "Simple" system and/or get confused by dozens/hundreds of nested menu's. (Note, again, consider this "Launchpad" - Something great for a subset of the population).
Win 8.1 is much better than Win8 in the UI department, and the underpinnings of Win8 have been great all along. I anticipate Win9 will be largely like Win8 (maybe with an option to suppress the Metro screen and just give you a search box when you hit the Windows key) and after a bunch of learning, most people will get used to it and either have similar productivity to before, or better for those who embrace the new system.
Karl P
First Apple drops support for its own OSes that deserve support - Leopard and Snow Leopard in particular, but now this? Windows 7 is still a modern and advanced OS. That's a total joke.
Are other models affected? Moves like this make me weary getting a new Apple computer. I run Windows via Boot Camp now and that's not going to change anytime soon.
Are other models affected? Moves like this make me weary getting a new Apple computer. I run Windows via Boot Camp now and that's not going to change anytime soon.
Hey, how about you read the original post and get the answer for yourself. Then you will have a clue what this thread is about and can decide if the situation is a "total joke".
Windows 7 will have extended support from Microsoft until 2020.
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?alpha=windows+7
Glideslope
macrumors G3
My Opinion?
The first move into Gaming on the Mac, iOS. Mainly iOS. Develop for each platform. No more POS Ports. It will be a bit, but iOS will challenge Sony and Xbox.
The first move into Gaming on the Mac, iOS. Mainly iOS. Develop for each platform. No more POS Ports. It will be a bit, but iOS will challenge Sony and Xbox.
snowmoon
macrumors 6502a
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle
Windows 7 is within 10 months of it's "end of mainstream support". I really don't blame Apple for now wanting to deal it.
Windows 7 is within 10 months of it's "end of mainstream support". I really don't blame Apple for now wanting to deal it.
RedCroissant
Suspended
ok......
I don't see a problem with this. Sure, it drops support for something that a lot of people use, but I seriously doubt that the majority of people that buy a Mac is so that they can put Windows on it to boot via bootcamp. If I'm wrong though, then that's crazy.
I personally will continue to use VirtualBox if I have to run something other than OS X.
I don't see a problem with this. Sure, it drops support for something that a lot of people use, but I seriously doubt that the majority of people that buy a Mac is so that they can put Windows on it to boot via bootcamp. If I'm wrong though, then that's crazy.
I personally will continue to use VirtualBox if I have to run something other than OS X.
people don't drop $3000 on a computer to run windows 7 or 8. That's just insulting. with that many cores, just put Parallels or VMWare on that and be done with it. Running Windows on that is plain criminal and Apple should confiscate the new Mac Pro and give it to a better class of user.
dumastudetto
macrumors 603
I agree. If you're using Windows on a Mac you blew it.
CrazyNurse
macrumors regular
Maybe Apple did this at the request of MS in order to finally get Office on the iPad.
From an age of OS perspective, it is consistent with when they dropped Vista support. However, considering that the difference was that Vista was a flop, Windows 7 was a success, and Windows 8 looks like another flop, it is a bit questionable.
Liquorpuki
macrumors 68020
So MS puts Office on iPad and Apple makes a move to drive W8 sales
They friends now or something?
They friends now or something?
Why are you assuming running Bootcamp suggests someone is running Windows exclusively?
"Doesn't fit a wide use case" - given the adoption patterns of Windows 8 in many enterprise environments (low) and a desire to play well with others/use existing licenses, I don't think it's safe to necessarily write this off as an edge case.
Like I said, I find value in being able to run things on a system running Windows directly. Not saying there isn't a case to be made for virtualization in many cases, but "many" is not all. Almost everything I do is either processor bound or memory bound, and VMs impose an overhead on either - memory being the bigger issue in my case.
And given the transition to Thunderbolt-based peripherals is also necessary, needing a new copy of Windows 8 for "I just want a Windows install that works" is another tick up on the nMP's total cost of ownership.
Because they'd like to use a Mac most of the time?
Why are you assuming I can't be irked at more than one company at a time?
For many cases, it should be fine, but VMs impose an overhead that could be annoying.
This is...I can't even wrap my mind around it. Apple is still supporting Windows, they're just EOLing Windows 7 and Bootcamp support.
My concern would be drivers and AppleCare. Apple's pretty bad at "Well, you shouldn't have done that..." as a reason to deny AppleCare support.
rdlink
macrumors 68040
That's what I was thinking. Windows 7 old my behind! But what else do we expect on an Apple website?
Still this is nothing more then a calculated move to remove the competition, which is a shame as boot camp is one of the main reasons some people buy Macs.
dermeister
macrumors 6502
True. Apple doesn't really care about putting an effort, like then in made the 64 bit MacPro1,1 incompatible with Snow Lion because they didn't want to update the EFI32, or when they stripped out the 32bit targets for Lion and made the MacBook1,1 and a few other Core Duo devices incompatible.
The point is the effort required is minimal, but Apple concludes it's customers will just take it, since mostly they are right.
Yeah, its a shame but Apple does appear to be running a business model now where it supports software on a 3 or 4 year bases. Trouble is its starting to do that with its hardware too! His long before my 2010 MacBook Pro won't be supported under the latest osx? Yet ironically I bet it'll run the latest Windows.
