You mean EPIC has a monopoly over the games engine market? Whoa ... maybe the authorities should start looking into this. /s
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Apple Earned Over $100 Million From Fortnite
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You say it all there, “pay $100m to be in our club or face having nothing”...the absolute definition of extortion. That is the (abuse) of power Apple holds over iOS
That’s the absolute definition of capitalism. Opt-in to the club for $99, camp on somebody else’s property and make a few hundred million. Guess glass-half empty or full. We’ll see.
Apple collected more than $100 million in revenue from the 30 percent cut that it takes from Fortnite in-app purchases, according to testimony provided by App Store gaming business development head Michael Schmid, who shared the detail in the ongoing Epic v. Apple trial.
As noted by Bloomberg, Schmid offered the $100 million figure as a rough estimate, and declined to provide a specific dollar amount because that would be "inappropriate."
Sensor Tower last year estimated that Fortnite players have spent $1.2 billion on in-app purchases in the App Store, which would have netted Apple $354 million. Fortnite has been on the App Store since 2018, and prior to its removal, it was a highly popular iOS game.
According to Schmid, Apple spent $1 million marketing for Fortnite in its last 11 months on the App Store.
Apple software engineering chief Craig Federighi is testifying in the Epic v. Apple trial today, following Phil Schiller's testimony earlier this week. Apple CEO Tim Cook is expected to take the stand on Friday, where he will answer questions for 100 minutes.
Article Link: Apple Earned Over $100 Million From Fortnite
Flip-side: Epic earned over 200 million from IOS App Store fortnight distribution.
Thank you epic for your contribution towards ensuring the overall viability and vitality of the App Store. The very model which you seem intent on burning to the ground just so you can host other developers’ games and charge them a commission.
For all the trouble you have caused, I hope you are never allowed back onto iOS.
For all the trouble you have caused, I hope you are never allowed back onto iOS.
Any data to prove that? In fact there is more data indicating thay is not the case. Fortnite was a huge success before Epic decided to offer their customers a mobile version of an already extremely popular global phenomenon. The App Store being the only way one in two Americans have to pay, install and update any piece of software / app … just piggy backed on getting a cut of that success.
By default in the App Store world If the App or service is a huge mobile success it’s Apple making, if it’s a failure it’s dev making. An unreasonable reasoning over its dynamics.
Now Apple is indeed a device and OS creator and manufacturer, audio and video digital services, games developer, who knows what’s next. While Epic is a creator and developer of games. Each successful on their own ventures. What do they have in common? The desire to reach the American population with their own products and services … things they feel passioned about.
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Good try, ignoring the other options. Your statement is only true if every Americans owns only mobile phones of either iOS or Android. You conveniently forget, to build your argument (come to think of it, all Apple's critics' strategy), that there are other ways to play Fortnite, e.g. console, computers, etc.
Again, nobody is forced to use an iOS device.
Besides whether anyone can play Fortnite is not important. IMHO, the benefits of not being able to play outweighs being able to.
but mall clients don't purchase the physical mall to be able to shop at said mall. the high cost of hardware for apple products alone already pays for the "safe ecosystem and the app store.
There are choices for users that want the same content.
For example, you can buy Playstation and Xbox games from a number of other retailers, like Amazon. Sometimes even DLC is offered on Amazon, as serial codes you can purchase and enter into the game.
They don't HAVE to use IAP's ... they could just do what Netflix currently do and simply tell users that they need to go elsewhere.
But you see, EPIC run their business like a casino. They get people hooked and RELY on the impulse sales that IAP's provide.
A value added service like that should not be given away for free.
And you can also purchase EPIC V-Bucks via a number of retailers and from their website as well, which, in-turn can be used on iOS.
So what's the issue?
But on the other hand Apple has to cover the development of iOS and other software such as iWorks, which they give away for free. So saying those $100m is pure profit I think is wrong. I'm sure there are other wholes to cover with this money.
Of course they do, whatever trolls/haters would waste their time saying. It is their AppStore, they made it with their money, they do maintain it, they set the rules.... which deves can either follow or p..off the sore and build their own platform.
I read over at another Apple centric site that EPIC actually enjoys the 15% commission instead of the 30%, which was disclosed during the trial. If true, then EPIC made $566.7m just by being on the iOS App Store. Wow! Anyone listened in during the hearings can confirm?
I know, that’s why I posted.
Well, you didn't state the correct figure, so I was just trying to lay it all out there since people seemed confused about the math.
Why not? The terms were set before they entered this agreement. Whatever terms Walmart sets is what they are “entitled” to.
Yes and I’m upset I can’t play PS5 games on my Nintendo switch.
or that my Smart Fridge with a 2 inch LED screen won’t let me run MacOS.
Why can’t my Xbox play IOS games?
These hardware manufacturers made a product. They design it to run what they want. It is their product.
They don’t owe the consumer the ability to do anything outside of what they intend.
Apple also don’t owe developers anything. Apple has made a hardware device - people like to use it. Developers can make software for it if they want. If they agree to the terms set by the owner.
Just because Apple got so big people take them for granted shouldn’t mean basic rules of business and product design should go out the window.
That’s true which is why we need the courts to rule that their terms are an unfair abuse of their monopoly power.
Thanks for point that out. I amended the quoted post to reflect an opinion. It gets tiring, writing, I think, imo, in my opinion, it's my feeling, etc. words that convey opinions with every sentence....as is most of the posts in this thread.
If I'm understanding what you are saying, IAP is only one vehicle for buying v-bucks...they can be bought almost anywhere. When Epic sells them in a store, the store doesn't get a cut? Why shouldn't Apple get a cut, even if some believe Apple charges usury rates.
That's one way to look at it. The other way, is Apple is providing a complete management platform, for $99, plus a cut of sales with no upfront costs. The only thing standing in the way between a dev and success is imagination. That the app store is a success is a testament to the devs that are attracted.
Cars and what not, I guess.
Totally agree. And Epic is using Apples ios app store platform as a vehicle to reach 1 billion devices. They are pissed off at the fact they have to pay Apple to use Apples' platform and probably figuratively shot themselves in the foot for what they did.
Not a fraction ? Not anything for building the hardware or brand or enabling their access to hundreds of millions of customers....?
Good for Apple, it's their platform. Everybody made money here, and it would be fair if Epic fell off a cliff...or came back to Apple with their tail between their legs. Obviously we don't know how it will turn out.
Why would it be fair if Epic fell off a cliff? Because they dared to challenge Apple’s rules? The world would be in terrible state if nobody ever challenged the established order.
They might not want to come back. Not everyone in life is solely motivated by money. Epic can make a lot of money selling Fortnite elsewhere because they have a loyal user base. They might lose a few Apple fans but gain more anti-Apple fans or Android fans.