The difference here is that the Microsoft Surface IS a laptop replacement, due to running a full desktop style OS, while the iPad very definitely isn't a laptop replacement at all, due to running a mobile OS.I wonder if that's because Apple is trying to compete more with Microsoft and the Surface which they also try to market as a laptop replacement.
What? Are we looking at the same table? It looks like Samsung is gaining on Apple, not the other way around.
Didn't you see the sarcasm?Yes, iPhones and iPads and Apple Watches and Apple TVs are computers, just not in the "old" way many got used to.
When you see someone holding up an iPhone in front of one' face to talk to someone (and not like many have been conditioned to in the last century by holding it to one's ear), then you see someone who sees that device not as a phone, but as a computer with phone capabilities.
Everything at Apple these days is about MONEY, MONEY MONEY. They don't care one iota about customers, except to milk them for more cash. Their "customer service" does NOT make up for what they are doing with their products, and the utter contempt they are constantly showing towards their users. The very fact they would make 16gb iPhones was insulting enough (a 32gb storage card was only $4 more expensive as a part), but to put 5400 speed mechanical hard drives in their iMacs to save $50 worth of manufacturing costs is even more disgusting. Even the latest OS on the Mac is nothing more than a cash grab through introducing features designed to push users into iCloud subscriptions. Personally, I will NOT buy another Apple product, and I refuse to buy into their marketing BS. I had my eyes opened to what they are really like by some incredibly BAD behaviour, and I don't think I will EVER see them the same way again.Put me in the 16%. Apple's new trackpads and keyboards suck. The quality control in the OS has been in decline since 10.9. They have removed discrete graphics from mac minis. They charge ridiculous money for storage upgrades while moving to proprietary interfaces that prevent customers from performing their own storage upgrades.
Why the bashing? Its not as if Apple solder a fixed amount of ram in to their computers now or use custom screws to try to stop you opening up the cases.Everything at Apple these days is about MONEY, MONEY MONEY. They don't care one iota about customers, except to milk them for more cash. Their "customer service" does NOT make up for what they are doing with their products, and the utter contempt they are constantly showing towards their users. The very fact they would make 16gb iPhones was insulting enough (a 32gb storage card was only $4 more expensive as a part), but to put 5400 speed mechanical hard drives in their iMacs to save $50 worth of manufacturing costs is even more disgusting. Even the latest OS on the Mac is nothing more than a cash grab through introducing features designed to push users into iCloud subscriptions. Personally, I will NOT buy another Apple product, and I refuse to buy into their marketing BS. I had my eyes opened to what they are really like by some incredibly BAD behaviour, and I don't think I will EVER see them the same way again.
apple makes computers?
Is that juvenile snark really necessary?
Well that's pretty dismissive. Maybe this other guy's hardware needs aren't determined by speed but rather size or appearance. What you consider a sacrifice he might consider a breakthrough. And since you're both different people with different use cases, you're both probably right.It really isn't subjective though. Hardware wise everything is determined by speed. In a desktop where you shouldnt be hindered by restrictions, Apple has done just that; sacrificed a lot in order to make it pretty and thin. They didn't have to.
Well that's pretty dismissive. Maybe this other guy's hardware needs aren't determined by speed but rather size or appearance. What you consider a sacrifice he might consider a breakthrough. And since you're both different people with different use cases, you're both probably right.
If it takes a "real" computer to restore it to working condition after an OTA update breaks it...
Wow I am so enlightened and thrilled to have 28 computers in my home.
But I didn't stop at this. I was on a mission to find the meaning of the word computer and found the below explaination which means I am a computer, you are a computer, 7 billion computers in the world and some more. (Read the last line from the below definition)
computer
kəmˈpjuːtə/
noun
noun: computer; plural noun: computers
- an electronic device which is capable of receiving information (data) in a particular form and of performing a sequence of operations in accordance with a predetermined but variable set of procedural instructions (program) to produce a result in the form of information or signals.
- a person who makes calculations, especially with a calculating machine.
Sargasm? Where?Didn't you see the sarcasm?
Yes an iPhone is a computing device, just like a calculator but certainly closer to a computer that a calculator.
But an iPhone is not a computer in the traditional sense like you mentioned. If you ask a 100 people if they have a computer, i'll guarantee that most if not all of them will not consider an iPhone as a computer and that is what matters is it not?
Not because it would make things easier for me, but because it would make it easier for all of us to communicate without having to go around in circles as to what one person means when they say "computer" vs. another.
Again, the OP was being facetious, but can we let go of the (rather apologetic) stance that iPads and iPhones and iWatches are "computers" too?
I mean yes, they are "computers". They "compute". That's a given.
But an iPad/iPhone does not equal a MacBook Pro or a Mac Pro, a specific construct that the term "computer" has been long associated with.
So for the sake of giving everyone context, can we perhaps agree on a "computer" being something that runs a "desktop" OS, not a mobile one?
iPads are tablets, iWatches are "smartwatches", iPhones are "smartphones", iTVs are "set-top boxes", and Macs are computers.
Thus for many, tablets, smartphones, and even smartwatches can replace a computer.
But until all devices mentioned are interchangeable in ALL their functions (unlikely), the term "computer" should refer to something specific.
Running a desktop OS on a notebook is what then?
And yes, it is splitting hairs, but what can you do on a rainy Sunday night with no politics on TV?
For most people a car is a tool. Some people, however, literally do enter them in beauty pageants. For some a dog is a pet. For a police department it is an asset. Some people need a pen that just makes an even dark line on a page, while others need a range of individually designed pencils with different lead qualities and line weights to do their job.A computer is a tool. It's not entering a beauty pageant.
Fanboy? Have you seen how much I complain about Apple in my posts? I stopped being a fan in 2010. Dude, it happened. You probably went to the wrong store. As I said, our local Apple Retail Store wasn't doing anything about it no matter how much we argued.Yet they refused to do anything about a early 2011 15" MBP for a coworker of mine here that was exhibiting "textbook" symptoms of dGPU failure because the serial number was "not within the effected range"; same model number as effected units and a valid purchase date, just not the "right" serial. They told her to go pound sand essentially.
I don't believe it as more than fanboi stories, spun up only to defend what they love in absence of facts... Sorry.
A desktop computer? Well, what if an iPhone will be able to restore one day without an additional computer? It is possible now, technology wise at least, and I guess Apple is working on something like that anyway.
Yes, I'm definitely not happy with how Apple has been treating their PCs, especially the desktops, and ESPECIALLY the Mac mini. Part of me wants to build a Hackintosh or FreeBSD workstation in protest, but I really just need regular working Mac at all times for schoolwork and programming.yeah, jI don't really recommend hackintoshes for those who are not able to support themselves with their computer. I'm running one, and it is not without the odd bug / hiccup.
But Apple has made it harder these days to justify buying a mac computer
I love that being understood on this thread has come to the point of referring to computers as "computer in the common/classical sense" because... reasons? We here will split all the hairs!One day maybe you could use an iOS devices to jump start a separate bricked iOS device... but right now, if you get stuck, you need a computer in the common/classical sense to get it going again.
Or, you know, take it to an Apple Store so they can hook it up to a real PC and getting working for you again.
But sources on the "I guess Apple is working on something like that anyway", please.
I love that being understood on this thread has come to the point of referring to computers as "computer in the common/classical sense" because... reasons? We here will split all the hairs!![]()
Fanboy? Have you seen how much I complain about Apple in my posts? Dude, it happened. You probably went to the wrong store. As I said, our local Apple Retail Store wasn't doing anything about it no matter how much we argued.
How can someone's customer satisfaction be high when their phone burns down their house?5 of us read an article about PC customer satisfaction of customers who recently purchased products. 5 of us commented about cellphones.The survey was "measuring" customer's satisfaction with their purchase, not with a company portfolio of products. It would be interesting to hear what a Note 7 owner thinks of Samsung's response to the issue. Might not be what some of us think. Maybe @GrumpyMom can weigh in. Mom?
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