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Nothing against Apple, as this is not really an Apple issue, but I love the way their lawyers offloaded responsibility to “your physician,” as if we know. Yes, you can suspend a defibrillator or pacer with a magnet of a certain strength held in a certain spot. We get this from the device manufacturers, who in turn base that statement on their FDA applications, which in turn come from clinical trials. Or, according to Apple Legal, you should go up to your internist, let them know your iPhone model, how far away from your sternum you plan to hold it, for how long, and through what material, and ask if your iPhone will deactivate your implant. Yeah, we know. :rolleyes: The only reason that language exists is to try to insulate Apple from lawsuits: “We told them to ask their doctor!” All I’d do is err on the side of caution and advise not to hold close any cell phone, which is what Apple told them anyway.

This is an extension of a time-honored Big Pharma practice, ever since they started direct-to-consumer marketing: “TAKE OUR DRUG!!!! But ask your doctor first.
 
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Hilarious the negativity here. This has duh written all over it. I am in love with my MagSafe accessories y’all are just haters 😂
 
It is a reference to the perhaps upcoming changes in the EU that will dictate a uniform connector across all phones. He meant apple is removing the connector and goes wireless to circumvent this and identifies this as the sole reason of magsafe’s existence

Well they've been fighting the EU on implementing USB-C. My guess (and not only mine, btw), is that they will get rid of the lightning port at some point, and it will only be wireless charging, but with a twist...

You'll be able to charge at slower rates with QI compatible chargers as you can now, but if accessory makers want to license the proprietary magsafe authentication for faster charging, they're gonna have to pay up thru the MFI program.

By then Apple is probably hoping that wireless will be ubiquitous enough that the EU will get off their backs about USB-C, and they can continue to make their millions from accessories.

Gotcha. That proposed legislation isn't in the forefront of my mind since I don't live in the EU.

That said, IMHO it's still a conspiracy theory. Of course Apple is thinking of the MagSafe ecosystem and the accessories revenue, but it's not necessarily "sinister" - there are benefits to a portless device, and it is possible that Apple really just thinks they are doing something cool with MagSafe. Obviously the jury is still out on this iteration... that new feature definitely didn't incite me to pick up a new phone this year.
 
One has never been recommended to carry any device such as a smart phone or anything magnetic in your upper pockets with any chest implanted electronic device. That has always been the case. Just like you don't go through metal detectors or let TSA wand you.
So what happens when it's carried in a pants pocket if someone has a penile implant? Instant flaccid frankfurter? No more Time Warp?
One has never been recommended to carry any device such as a smart phone or anything magnetic in your upper pockets with any chest implanted electronic device. That has always been the case. Just like you don't go through metal detectors or let TSA wand you.
 
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The users are the problem. How dare they are not perfect and educated about everything. Apple, as usual, did nothing wrong.

That was sarcasm btw...🤣
 
Why does Apple seem to be dragging their feet on switching to USB-C to replace Lightning? They've already done it on iPad, it's not like it's new for them. And they've done plenty of these transitions, like the switch from miniDP/TB2 to USB-C/TB3 on Macbooks.

They don't seem to have an issue with selling adapters/dongles which would solve the compatibility issue. So what gives?
 
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I get what people are saying, that it affects a small number of people that are probably well educated about safety with their medical devices etc, but it is kind of a bad look to have to come out and tell your customers that they might kill themselves with your product if they aren't careful. Especially if it is because of an accessory that is, at this point, superfluous at best.

Also re: MagSafe: it has nothing to do with USB C over lightning. I think it has always been proof of concept/socializing the idea of a phone with no ports to come in the future. The current iteration of the technology is to see what people think of it and how big the uptake is. Could be wrong but I think that's the case.
 
Apple: look at how many people the Apple Watch AFib sensor is saving
Also Apple: Our new phones may kill your pacemaker and possibly you too

Yea, that doesn't bode very well. I hope (the new) MagSafe goes the way of Butterfly in one generation and not three. Like other commenters said, the cons outweigh the pros to such a margin I don't really see the benefit at all, plus Apple has an awful track record at building on their innovations (Touchbar, 3D Touch). At the end of the day I'd rather have the space it occupies used up by a slightly larger battery.
 
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Apple: look at how many people the Apple Watch AFib sensor is saving
Also Apple: Our new phones may kill your pacemaker and possibly you too
Apple: *releases feature*
Doctors: This feature is a good example of why we warn a select few patients about these types of devices.
Forum warriors and click-bait-media: APPLE IS KILLING EVERYONE, ABSOLUTLY EVERYONE, NO EXCEPTIONS, AND EVERYONE EXCEPT THE APPLE ENGINEERS FORSAW THIS!! OH WOE US ON THIS DAY OF THE APOCALYPSE!! JUDGMENT DAY IS HERE!! PRAY ALL YOU SINNERS AS THESE APPLE DEVICES WILL KILL YOU FROM AFAR!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!

It's definitely a serious thing, but may I humbly suggest that perhaps some people have a touch of a problem with scope/perspective here?!
 
As a person who does not only have a pacemaker, but I am ventricular dependent on it. That means, if it stops, I die.
I have been a little disappointed in the quality of products ha has been making. Unable to say Hey Siri to my watch at time in walks, Airpor Max’s underwhelming ability to figure out what device you are on. The battery dies ridiculously slow. My faith in Apple has been cast in doubt but I can give them a chance to do the right thing and get their act together.
 
What cons? I’ve experienced no cons, other than cost and availability.
This is no cons per se, it’s just an advisory. The people that you see lambasting this product, are ones that don’t find value in something like this regardless of this message sent from Apple.
 
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One has never been recommended to carry any device such as a smart phone or anything magnetic in your upper pockets with any chest implanted electronic device. That has always been the case. Just like you don't go through metal detectors or let TSA wand you.

Electromegnatic interference is one thing. And in general Cellphones that operate at higher frequencies have not posed more than a minimal and temporary risk for implanted cardiac devices.

But the strong magnets in the iPhone 12 are an issue on a magnitude far higher.

Apple should design a case that cancels out the magnetic field to make it safer and cover their bases.

I frankly don’t believe the 6” guideline for general cellphones is sufficient for the iPhone 12. And also lower frequency 5G bands may also pose risk

That said, the latest technologies (pace makers etc) should have far superior electromagnetic shielding than those made decades ago.
 
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Apple: look at how many people the Apple Watch AFib sensor is saving
Also Apple: Our new phones may kill your pacemaker and possibly you too

Yea, that doesn't bode very well. I hope (the new) MagSafe goes the way of Butterfly in one generation and not three. Like other commenters said, the cons outweigh the pros to such a margin I don't really see the benefit at all, plus Apple has an awful track record at building on their innovations (Touchbar, 3D Touch). At the end of the day I'd rather have the space it occupies used up by a slightly larger battery.
Like the hyperbole, it goes a long way toward understanding how significant the problem really is, if at all.

Apple: look at how many people the Apple Watch AFib sensor is saving
Apple: using cell phones gives you brain cancer

Apple had to know about and whether this poses a more than normal risk than other iphones, microwaves, emf radiation needs to be seen. Only time will tell.
 
Like the hyperbole, it goes a long way toward understanding how significant the problem really is, if at all.

Apple: look at how many people the Apple Watch AFib sensor is saving
Apple: using cell phones gives you brain cancer

Apple had to know about and whether this poses a more than normal risk than other iphones, microwaves, emf radiation needs to be seen. Only time will tell.
I know you like to defend Apple but you gotta be trolling hard now.

Did you check the source articles? Magnetic interference from the MagSafe coil is evidenced. Now, someone might not slip their iPhone into their front shirt pocket, but you might as well slip it in the inner pocket of your jacket, blazer or coat. I know I do all the time.

Brain tumours from cell phone use is all but an urban legend.
 
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Nothing to see here. Really. Pacemakers for some time have had magnetic interfaces for diagnostics. It beats the hell out of opening someone up to change settings on a pacemaker....

of course anything with a reasonably strong magnet can internet interfere with the device. If you don’t realize you can’t slap your MagSafe device, especially the charger, on your chest near the pacemaker.... well, it may end poorly for you and that is not Apple’s or the pacemaker manufacturer’s fault
I feel like to summarize your state: I don’t care that this poses a risk. If you know better don’t rub MagSafe on your chest. Apple should not be aware of this. If it happens, too bad you get you deserve.

Correct?
 
I know you like to defend Apple but you gotta be trolling hard now.

Did you check the source articles? Magnetic interference from the MagSafe coil is evidenced. Now, someone might not slip their iPhone into their front shirt pocket, but you might as well slip it in the inner pocket of your jacket, blazer or coat. I know I do all the time.

Brain tumours from cell phone use is all but an urban legend.
Wow. Talk about trolling. I knew you would criticize Apple. :rolleyes:

You missed the point. People who have gluten allergies have to stay away from wheat. They need to do their due diligence to avoid cross-contamination. People who have pacemakers have to do their due diligence and be careful of their surroundings. That includes the iphone 12, microwaves and everything else in the article cited above.

Is the risk of brain cancer from cell phones 0%?

 
No one should be pocketing an EMF device over their heart all day anyway... like duh.

Next we're going to hear it interferes with metal plates in someone's head... next on the blogs..... Bob likes to pocket his iPhone in his hat now he can't due to his metal plate and MAgSafe,.. bla bla... Apple, Bad; MagSafe, Bad...
 
Never thought I’d live to see the day that a major phone manufacturer had to tell people to be careful not to accidentally kill them selves with their phones...

“Though all iPhone 12 models contain more magnets than prior iPhone models, they're not expected to pose a greater risk of magnetic interference to medical devices than prior iPhone models.”
 
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Magnet Gate? Really? Does someone have to play this card every time there's a problem with an Apple product?

But how does this issue relate to not switching to USB-C, which is just another connector for wired charging?

until it pulls electrons or holes out of thin air, Magsafe is still wired charging
 
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