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Good! They should have been back months ago when the vaccine was available to all who wanted it. The pandemic is over in the US because we can all get the vaccine if we want. For the most part the only people dying are people who don't want to protect themselves.

in my part of the state, almost 27% of the recent deaths in hospitals are from people who have been fully vaccinated(and some even had booster shots as early as August).

the state health department is refusing to continue to count breakthrough death cases.

the doctors interviewed by local public station said it was most likely that fully vaccinated people either (1) stop practicing COVID protocols such masks and handwashing, or (2) have other conditions, such as being 15 pounds overweight or have other serious diseases which made them more vulnerable

that's pretty similar to what's happening in the European Union right now...(where vaccination rates are much higher than the US, but they are experiencing extremely large number of cases)
 
Sorry, but we can't keep living like this forever. The vaccines are out. If you don't want to get it, fine. But you have to live with the consequences of that (including potential death, potential joblessness, etc.).

If the vaccines weren't the finish line, then what exactly is to stop us from continuing restrictions forever? Because covid isn't going away (which means China's zero covid policy is complete nonsense).
Agree.

At this rate, everyone is going to get it (vaccinated or not). Thankfully, the survivability is extremely high at this point. (survivor myself)

But my point remains that everyone needs to accept that at this rate, that they WILL catch COVID-19 at some point. It is up to them to make health decisions to minimize their risk. Vaccines certainly help, but there is plenty of science that proves that they are not the prophylactic that we are used to with our normal childhood vaccines.

But we will ALL get it. So let's go back to work, collaborate, and transfer knowledge and skills in person.
 
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in my part of the state, almost 27% of the recent deaths in hospitals are from people who have been fully vaccinated(and some even had booster shots as early as August).

the state health department is refusing to continue to count breakthrough death cases.

the doctors interviewed by local public station said it was most likely that fully vaccinated people either (1) stop practicing COVID protocols such masks and handwashing, or (2) have other conditions, such as being 15 pounds overweight or have other serious diseases which made them more vulnerable

that's pretty similar to what's happening in the European Union right now...(where vaccination rates are much higher than the US, but they are experiencing extremely large number of cases)
ok? What do you want to do about that? Even if that is accurate, which I don't doubt because there seems to be no correlation between vaccine rate and covid cases/deaths are we just supposed to lockdown and wear masks indefinitely? I'm done. If people want to continue to do those things, they are able to, I will not nor will I continue to support a policy that does.
 
And every single person at Apple Campus is all product design?

That’s my point - everyone is pushing for an automatic transition to working from home without even stopping to consider if the nature of their job even makes sense in such a context.
 
This is great news. Please humbly come back to the billion-dollar campus.

Why would you not want to come back and work in the spaceship?

It is our money that has helped build this campus. Please don't let it just sit there.

It is just beautiful.

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Why? Three words: Open Floor Plans

Notice how Apple, like yourself, only posts external pictures. Inside it's row after row after row of people packed in, with no privacy and limited ability to focus well.
 
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Those that are saying yes lets work from home... do you realize how many business rely on people going to work and traveling for work? There is a huge segment of the economy that is still suffering because people wanna work in their PJ's. Honestly tf
 
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Why? Three words: Open Floor Plans

Notice how Apple, like yourself, only posts external pictures. Inside it's row after row after row of people packed in, with no privacy and limited ability to focus well.
Open floor plans stink and are also useful in other terms. I’m back at the office part time. Company has a hybrid approach. Productivity has gone up as many us are no longer separated by a digital divide.
 
Those that are saying yes lets work from home... do you realize how many business rely on people going to work and traveling for work? There is a huge segment of the economy that is still suffering because people wanna work in their PJ's. Honestly tf

I believe that when one door closes, another opens.

For example, people working from home may be bad for say, eateries which open near business districts, but it would also be a boon for my neighbourhood shops because it means I frequent them more often.

Then there are also services like Blue Apron which deliver pre packed groceries to my house that I can then use to cook my own meals.

I am not spending less money by staying at home, I am simply spending my money differently.

At the end of the day, nobody owes these businesses a living.
 
What I don't get is why they expect (all hybrid work) people to work on say, Monday, Tuesday and Friday, instead of running reduced numbers in the office to give more social distancing, etc. I.e., not everyone in the office on the same days.

IMHO, unless you need to be in the office for in person meetings on a specific day, you get back so much commute and other associated time working from home and can often focus more without distractions.

Put it this way, they just released their best laptops ever during this work from home era :D
 
What I don't get is why they expect (all hybrid work) people to work on say, Monday, Tuesday and Friday, instead of running reduced numbers in the office to give more social distancing, etc. I.e., not everyone in the office on the same days.

I think that’s the whole point - to get everyone back in the workplace for a few days a week so they can meet everyone they need to meet in person.
 
I think that’s the whole point - to get everyone back in the workplace for a few days a week so they can meet everyone they need to meet in person.

Yeah that's cool. BUT... teams can meet in person as and when required, without everyone else in the office being there because they have to turn up on day X Y Z.
 
Yeah that's cool. BUT... teams can meet in person as and when required, without everyone else in the office being there because they have to turn up on day X Y Z.

I imagine the stipulation is there so you don’t have a scenario where say 8 out of 10 people are at the office for a meeting, and the other two say - sorry, it’s my WFH day today. Can we zoom instead?

I get why this is being dictated at the company level, rather than being left to individual teams to work it out because I imagine that there will be some people who given the option, will simply try to push everything to zoom to get out of having to commute to work.
 
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Does that means we'll be getting better, more stable, and less buggy OS updates* starting in February?

* based on comments here from people who blamed the work-at-home Apple employees
It’s lack of good management in the software department, not the remote working.
The hardware department is flying high, while having the same challenges of COVID, because of a masterful management.
 
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It’s lack of good management in the software department, not the remote working.
The hardware department is flying high, while having the same challenges of COVID, because of a masterful management.
Yep. Even though I think we would be at least the iMac Pro by now if COVID and supply shortages never happened. But M1* processors are just killing it while the engineers are "remote".
 
I think that the biggest issue here is that blanket statements (that end up becoming policy due to PERSONAL bias) of "WFH is bad" or "WFH is the only way it should be" by Managers and Executives just don't make ANY sense.

You cannot apply the same paradigm to the entire company.

Some positions NECESSITATE in-person activities and/or collaboration. I cannot use the on-site labs from home.

Some thrive on it, even if it can be done remotely (as the last TWO YEARS have proven), like meetings, brainstorms, etc.

Other positions don't need in-person work AT ALL (like some software development/deployment, maintenance, etc).

Companies today need to start to take a good, hard look at the pros and cons of EACH scenario (or department) and see WFH as what it really is: an opportunity to reduce costs, increase morale and retention, and even reduce the impact we have on the environment, instead of falling back on Boomer-ish sentiments like: "Well, that's the way it was in my day" and "It's always been done this way, so suck it up, Snowflakes..."
Yes, mostly.

The group I lead is really 2 closely related functions that are quite different in operation. One can be done largely, but not entirely from home. The other is more the other way round.

We've learned from experience that some tasks are best done at home - more specifically, in a quiet place without many or all of the usual distractions & interrupts.

Others are significantly hampered, slowed, by the WFH situation.

So a mix - work from home for those tasks that best benefit from it, and in the office for those other tasks. Thankfully for us we can pretty much plan around this, and individuals can plan some of their personal activities & tasks around this too, for a much better work-life balance.

I'm fortunate that my boss, as well as I, are more interested in the quality of the work done, and much less so about how, where etc... And my team appreciate it, and I appreciate their flexibility in return.

There are some practical challenges. IT/IS support has been a real problem, taking weeks at times to get relatively minor things sorted because we can't just go down to tech support when the problem arise. They're doing a lot of their work remotely, and it has caused significant project delays for us. It's not their fault, they're not bad folk.

Other practical challenges include working from home with very young kids in the home at the same time and with nobody else available to look after the kids properly. Child care is hideously expensive in most countries & states. It's become a significant challenge, mitigated in large part in the short term by massive flex on working hours, but it's not sustainable. Some people are going to have to decide on how they want their home/personal lives to be, and accept the fact that on occasion their employers simply can't accommodate them.

I know for certain client-facing functions we've had many colleagues leave because they can't juggle the intensity of their tasks with child care & home schooling duties - exacerbated by dealing constantly with very angry & emotional clients wondering where, when or even if their orders will be fulfilled and to what extent, due to the global supply chain shortages.

So this is not a simple situation requiring a simplistic solution.

Looking at each role, department etc and with an eye to a hybrid model is, I think, the reasonable & balanced way forward. What will be a speed break to some of the desires are the various laws & regulations focused on preventing discrimination in various domains.
 
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It’ll be interesting to see where COVID numbers are in February and, if this gets moved again, what policies Apple puts in place.

I have to imagine they’re still going to see some attrition from this, though I’m sure many employees left or started making plans to leave when the initial policy was announced.

This will certainly limit the talent pool for them long term.

Undoubtedly the demographics for the bulk of Apple's employees need not fear the virus.
 
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Why are people so obsessed with COVID numbers? I can't even remember people being obsessed with Flu numbers? With malaria numbers? With tuberculosis numbers? Millions who die each year as a result of pollution? So much hype and scaremongering propaganda around for something that is essentially nothing more than a bad flu.

If you think that those numbers aren't tracked and acted upon, you're just not paying attention to what is done, and weren't alive for when they were huge issues. Each is very actively tracked by the CDC at a high level and your county health department at a finite one; and to stick with the flu -- quarantines are enacted when there's a big enough outbreak. It's an incredibly well-controlled disease. It's just that the quarantines are placed upon hospitals, businesses, and individuals that - through contact tracing - were at those impacted locations. It never grows to such a massive nationwide/worldwide scale that this has.

What does that look like? Well, if you've ever entered a hospital or medical building that has an active outbreak, you'd be asked to put on a mask and wash your hands. Or, visitation may be disallowed for the next 5-10 days. It's on a much smaller scale, so often few are inconvenienced by it. And that's the crux of the problem here with a much deadlier and transmissible disease; we've learned very fast here how many people can't cope with minor inconveniences, how many have poor hygiene, how many can't be bothered to properly cover a cough or wash their hands.
 
Why are people so obsessed with COVID numbers? I can't even remember people being obsessed with Flu numbers? With malaria numbers? With tuberculosis numbers? Millions who die each year as a result of pollution? So much hype and scaremongering propaganda around for something that is essentially nothing more than a bad flu.
This kind of thinking is exactly why we are still having to think and talk about COVID numbers.
 
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The problem is the open floor plans. No ability to focus, etc.

It’s always pictures of the outside of Apple’s spaceship—nit pictures of row after row after row of workbench desks, employees packed in side-by-side. And it’s the later which is the employee experience. So of course, they want to stay home—they get more done.
So much in life is geared for the extroverts, not the introverts. I have to wonder how the open vs. closed design affects people on the autism spectrum? I've heard rumors that autistic people can very great programmers -in the right setting.

I also have to wonder how much of the "Back to the office" push is actually for productivity reasons, and how much of it is for middle managers trying to feel important and someone to whom they can look over their shoulders?
 
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