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Denmark sounds amazing when you don't pay attention to what things cost. $21 an hour for the same job that only pays $8 here? Awesome! Oops, wait. Pricing of consumer goods in Denmark is on average over 40% higher than the US. Eating out at restaurants in Denmark? *90%* more! Groceries? 15-20% higher. Your internet and cell service might be cheaper, but your utilities average 50% more than what we pay in the US. Vehicle prices, gasoline, taxis? Double the cost of the US. Income tax in Denmark can be double that of the US as well, not to mention VAT.

So $8/hr vs. $21/hr isn't nearly the outrageous difference you imply.
Very true. Gross salary is not a very good meter. U.S. and Denmark both do well in PPP corrected GDP comparisons and things like the Big Mac Index.

It's really comes down to what you value more. Time off the job or time in your cubicle. Secure life or chance make mega bucks. Long summer holidays or no. Big house or medium house.

I'm sure the average person in either country has more stuff than they need.

I live in Switzerland. It's an odd mix of Europe and US with low taxes, high salaries, very high prices and complicated insurance systems. Free university but incredible expensive day care. Longer days in the office than northern Europe but at least we still get 5 weeks vacation per annum.
 
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Denmark sounds amazing when you don't pay attention to what things cost. $21 an hour for the same job that only pays $8 here? Awesome! Oops, wait. Pricing of consumer goods in Denmark is on average over 40% higher than the US. Eating out at restaurants in Denmark? *90%* more! Groceries? 15-20% higher. Your internet and cell service might be cheaper, but your utilities average 50% more than what we pay in the US. Vehicle prices, gasoline, taxis? Double the cost of the US. Income tax in Denmark can be double that of the US as well, not to mention VAT.

So $8/hr vs. $21/hr isn't nearly the outrageous difference you imply.

Sir I've been to New York, Las Vegas, Chicago and prices are like here. Only thing I noticed is more expensive here is coffee at Starbucks. Where do you get your 90% more expensive? #####
 
Extra holiday ... A reward?? :eek:

I love my 6 weeks a year and that a working week is only 37 hours. I don't need more....

It's the norm in the US to work 40 hour weeks (if you're lucky), and 2 - 3 weeks of holiday, you get more holiday as you get more senior. From what I've seen, most people that work 40 hour a week don't really go to far in their careers, those who get promoted are those who put extra hours.

Good? Bad? I don't know. All I know is that Apple, Google, Microsoft, and an array of companies that shape the world economy are American.. so draw your own conclusions.
 
I just left Apple after three years in AppleCare. This is truly insulting considering the amount of work we put in, the time we're expected to be away from our families, the lack of upward advancement opportunities, and low wage compared to similar jobs elsewhere.

This would be worth about $200 to me based on what my pay was when I left. Diddly freaking squat. Richest company in the world is also the cheapest. The only rewards we get our cheap Apple pens and mugs ordered from the same promotional company over and over again. I have four water bottles, three pens, a mousepad, a hat, one jacket (2 sizes too large, thanks manager for paying attention to the size I sent you) and a keychain with a light on it that was broken when I received it.

Apple is a great tech company -- the best -- but they have a lot to learn about how to treat their employees.
Really? Those are your complaints? I can understand the being away from your family part, but all that's paradise compared to most people's jobs. Try having a job where the company insurance sucks and people will often not take it simply because they don't get paid enough to afford it. Try having a job we're you get almost no bonuses. Try having a job where you are FORCED to work on Thanksgiving and are threatened if you try and call out. Try working at someplace where you're part of a skeleton workforce where one person does the work of four people but will be told not to get overtime under any circumstances.
Try working at a place where regular hourly employees have to train their own bosses, the very people who are supposed to be supervising them because your company doesn't care much about properly training it's employees. And a measly $200? Where I work, we would beg for that kind of money!

You may have thought your Apple Care job sucked, but I bet I know a lot of people who, if they could, would take it in a heartbeat.
 
I just left Apple after three years in AppleCare. This is truly insulting considering the amount of work we put in, the time we're expected to be away from our families, the lack of upward advancement opportunities, and low wage compared to similar jobs elsewhere.

This would be worth about $200 to me based on what my pay was when I left. Diddly freaking squat. Richest company in the world is also the cheapest. The only rewards we get our cheap Apple pens and mugs ordered from the same promotional company over and over again. I have four water bottles, three pens, a mousepad, a hat, one jacket (2 sizes too large, thanks manager for paying attention to the size I sent you) and a keychain with a light on it that was broken when I received it.

Apple is a great tech company -- the best -- but they have a lot to learn about how to treat their employees.
It doesn't sound like you had a very good attitude. Your pay/benefits likely reflect that.
 
Slap In the face

I guess that's why you left right? It wasn't working out for you, but that doesn't mean it doesn't workout for other people. I want to see you start a large company and try to please everyone, get back to us.
Well Ren I used to work for Apple as Weil here in the UK and while I was working for Apple the wages weren't good to raise a family on. I was claiming social security benefits while working for the richest compony on the planet. I left there in the end as it was better not to work and get full benefits from the government. It's a great job for school and university leavers.
 
I Agree

I just left Apple after three years in AppleCare. This is truly insulting considering the amount of work we put in, the time we're expected to be away from our families, the lack of upward advancement opportunities, and low wage compared to similar jobs elsewhere.

This would be worth about $200 to me based on what my pay was when I left. Diddly freaking squat. Richest company in the world is also the cheapest. The only rewards we get our cheap Apple pens and mugs ordered from the same promotional company over and over again. I have four water bottles, three pens, a mousepad, a hat, one jacket (2 sizes too large, thanks manager for paying attention to the size I sent you) and a keychain with a light on it that was broken when I received it.

Apple is a great tech company -- the best -- but they have a lot to learn about how to treat their employees.

Same here in the UK wages didn't even cover my living cost with one child. ended up having to claim social security benefits to top up my wages so i could live not a good look really. great job if your single and have no resopnsibilites.
 
It's the norm in the US to work 40 hour weeks (if you're lucky), and 2 - 3 weeks of holiday, you get more holiday as you get more senior. From what I've seen, most people that work 40 hour a week don't really go to far in their careers, those who get promoted are those who put extra hours.

Good? Bad? I don't know. All I know is that Apple, Google, Microsoft, and an array of companies that shape the world economy are American.. so draw your own conclusions.

Yea they are big companies... But anyhow - that doesn't help the US economy much. Every year same thing in congress. They wrestle each other on how much money they shall lend the following year and / or everything falls apart. Been like that for 40 years? Crazy depth's the us has.

A nation living on loans will eventually collaps. Just a matter of time.
 
Good? Bad? I don't know. All I know is that Apple, Google, Microsoft, and an array of companies that shape the world economy are American.. so draw your own conclusions.

Is a company still american when the majority of its profits are built abroad and realized abroad?
Besides, if Apple were German, there is no way the iPhone 6+ would bend... :p
 
I just left Apple after three years in AppleCare. This is truly insulting considering the amount of work we put in, the time we're expected to be away from our families, the lack of upward advancement opportunities, and low wage compared to similar jobs elsewhere.

This would be worth about $200 to me based on what my pay was when I left. Diddly freaking squat. Richest company in the world is also the cheapest. The only rewards we get our cheap Apple pens and mugs ordered from the same promotional company over and over again. I have four water bottles, three pens, a mousepad, a hat, one jacket (2 sizes too large, thanks manager for paying attention to the size I sent you) and a keychain with a light on it that was broken when I received it.

Apple is a great tech company -- the best -- but they have a lot to learn about how to treat their employees.

When I here stories like this, I envision the person who is complaining, was probably an equal awful employee.
 
I just left Apple after three years in AppleCare. This is truly insulting considering the amount of work we put in, the time we're expected to be away from our families, the lack of upward advancement opportunities, and low wage compared to similar jobs elsewhere.

This would be worth about $200 to me based on what my pay was when I left. Diddly freaking squat. Richest company in the world is also the cheapest. The only rewards we get our cheap Apple pens and mugs ordered from the same promotional company over and over again. I have four water bottles, three pens, a mousepad, a hat, one jacket (2 sizes too large, thanks manager for paying attention to the size I sent you) and a keychain with a light on it that was broken when I received it.

Apple is a great tech company -- the best -- but they have a lot to learn about how to treat their employees.

Hate to play Devils advocate but ummm sometimes people like you don't under that some people would have loved to have that Damn job. Regardless, at least you received some type of thanks. And you were paid. And told how much you'd get paid before hand. You're ungrateful. Period.
 
Yea they are big companies... But anyhow - that doesn't help the US economy much. Every year same thing in congress. They wrestle each other on how much money they shall lend the following year and / or everything falls apart. Been like that for 40 years? Crazy depth's the us has.

A nation living on loans will eventually collaps. Just a matter of time.

I didn't say they help us economy, they affect global economy, big time. Whether positive or negative, you have to admit that the top players are mostly American companies.

Is a company still american when the majority of its profits are built abroad and realized abroad?
Besides, if Apple were German, there is no way the iPhone 6+ would bend... :p

Lol, true and true!
 
When I here stories like this, I envision the person who is complaining, was probably an equal awful employee.

Nope, consistently in the top 5% of advisors according to metrics. I left Apple on good terms, not a bad employee, and eligible for rehire.

I left because I was offered another job that paid 3x what I was making at Apple. Benefits not as great, but I can afford my own healthcare now. At Apple, we were still eligible for Medicaid because I was being paid so little.

I was an exemplary employee, so I don't appreciate you coming up with some mental picture of me that is far from the truth.

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Hate to play Devils advocate but ummm sometimes people like you don't under that some people would have loved to have that Damn job. Regardless, at least you received some type of thanks. And you were paid. And told how much you'd get paid before hand. You're ungrateful. Period.

Nope, not ungrateful at all. I left Apple on good terms, not a bad employee, and eligible for rehire.

I left because I was offered another job that paid 3x what I was making at Apple. Benefits not as great, but I can afford my own healthcare now. At Apple, we were still eligible for Medicaid because I was being paid so little.

How is that being ungrateful? I was an exemplary employee, so I don't appreciate you coming up with some mental picture of me that is far from the truth.

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Well Ren I used to work for Apple as Weil here in the UK and while I was working for Apple the wages weren't good to raise a family on. I was claiming social security benefits while working for the richest compony on the planet. I left there in the end as it was better not to work and get full benefits from the government. It's a great job for school and university leavers.

It's a perfect job for single people. Like he said, not great for families. At all.

We were still on public assistance and I was working for one of the richest companies in the world.
 
Just Another Apple Trick

New apple employees get only 10 PTO days for the first 3 years. Even with these 3 extra holidays during Thanksgiving, they get 13 days per year. Nothing to feel bad about for the rest of the world. Most people in US get at least 15 PTO days in the corporate world.
 
New apple employees get only 10 PTO days. Even with these 3 extra holidays during, they get 13 days per year. Nothing to feel bad about for the rest of the world. Most people in US get at least 15 PTO days in the corporate world.

side discussion - i think the PTO nonsense is a scam to be honest, dressed up as a "good deal" by HR people with fancy brochures and company letter heads.

for a salaried professional, 2 + 2 has been the standard for a while. 2 weeks vacation, 2 weeks sick = 4 weeks. in in terms of working days, that's 20 days off. then after 3-5 yrs or so, the company will increase you to 3 weeks vacation. then after 10-15 yrs the company will increase you to 4 weeks. sick leave typically stays at 2 weeks regardless.

companies, mainly for-profit hospital networks, are changing the differentiation between types of leave even for salaried employees and merging them into PTO and reducing the total number of days. HR says this is a "good deal" b/c now employees can choose how they want to use their leave, whereas before employees were throwing away sick days every year. no one that i know, who has a family with kids ever throws away sick days. in fact, there aren't enough sick days as is and many employees have to use vacation time to take care of their family and in some cases themselves. unless you're a single healthy person or maybe married without kids, expect to blow through your 2 weeks of sick leave easily. for the company to then reduce the overall number of days, is a scam dressed up as a good deal

anyways back to Apple. with how successful Apple is and how much cash they have, it's beyond me why they can't be near the top of the best places to work list along with Google, Whole Foods, etc. sure, Apple doesn't "have to" do anything - they are a for-profit company and their main goal is to make a profit. IMO - they have not only reached that goal, but they have surpassed that goal exponentially. they have the reputation for their products, so i think it would be beneficial to develop a reputation as a great place to work. whether it's the stores or corporate positions either in management or engineering, you tend not to hear favorable things from people who work there with regards to work/life balance and benefits packages when compared to comparable companies in the industry and of that size. you also hear every so often of these horror stories that go on at Apple Retail stores behind the scenes - stuff that would never go on at Whole Foods. if Whole Foods can turn a profit off of food (thin margins), pay their employees w/ 0 experience at $12/hr starting in my area, yet still maintain excellent employee work satisfaction...well there is no reason why Apple cannot do the same and why they feel it's beneficial to pay their non-commissioned employees with 0 experience at a starting hourly wage of $8.15 in my area. this is actually less than the non-commissioned employees at Best Buy in some cases selling the exact same products
 
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Hate to play Devils advocate but ummm sometimes people like you don't under that some people would have loved to have that Damn job. Regardless, at least you received some type of thanks. And you were paid. And told how much you'd get paid before hand. You're ungrateful. Period.

That's a bit harsh, but then again I thank God I live in a country with free healthcare and reasonable PTO even if our government sucks major a$$!
 
Employees at Apple have no life and an extra day isn't going to change that.

But hey, they are probably all Buddhists like Jobs and believe they are going to have several lives! This life is for suffering at Cupertino, the next is for living, hopefully in Europe!
 
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