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Apple Ending Development on Aperture as Upcoming Photos App for OS X Will Replace iPhoto

jakesaunders27 said:
The problem I have with moving to Lightroom is the fact that soon it's going to be a subscription only application whereas I psychically own Aperture and like you say the workflow is so quick, really disappointed tonight :(
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I still have hope that Lightroom will remain available through a non-subscription option. Unlike the most of the rest of the Creative Cloud stuff, it's got both a mass market and a professional appeal - and hopefully with the addition of some iPhoto and Aperture users, Adobe will decide to keep it available through conventional means.

But then again I was hopeful that there would be an Aperture X.
 
Steve jobs would never have let this happen

Is this how apple treats professional photographers? giving them the middle finger? :mad:
 
With Apple, the big fear is that they will dump the software or dumb it down.

With Adobe, the big fear is that they will transfer Lightroom to subscription-only under the Creative Cloud. A subscription means paying a fee till your dying day if you want to access the edits of your photos.
 
ohbrilliance said:
Can you provide a link to where you can buy Lightroom 5 outright? I can't seem to find it. The main drive is to the creative cloud version, but I've managed to add an Upgrade to my cart, but not an outright licence.

(I already own LR5, but am just interested to see whether you can still actually buy it outright if you're not upgrading from an earlier version).
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You can. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html
Scroll all the way down, it says Lightroom 5 standalone. You'll have to edit the cart from the upgrade to the full version, but it's there.

Or just buy it from a retailer. Very easy to find that way.
 
mistasopz said:
Apple is becoming a toy company. Apple is not for professionals, they don't care about that segment of the market... they haven't for some time now. It's all about the iPhone/iPad and apps and making OSX look more like iOS. Final Cut Pro was made a useless product, now Aperature is going away. Mark my words, Apple is going to start producing its own chips and move away from its unix base and everything in the future will just be iOS.
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IOS is unix base.
 
This is the problem with Apple, they don't have commitment to keep a product going. Road Maps are secret, the end user is left in the dark to whether the product will be developed, or retired.

Its a shame since Aperture was a nice product.

Anyone who uses Apple software professional had better think twice - continue to use Apple software or migrate to a 3rd party?
 
katewes said:
With Apple, the big fear is that they will dump the software or dumb it down.

With Adobe, the big fear is that they will transfer Lightroom to subscription-only under the Creative Cloud. A subscription means paying a fee till your dying day if you want to access the edits of your photos.
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BOTH are pretty sure bets. Apple is moving fat to the consumer side of the market and no matter what they claim will abandon their suite of Pro Apps or merge them with some IOS version

Adobe was only selling non-expiring LR licenses because of competition from Aperture. Once Aperture really is gone and Adobe has grabbed enough Aperture users, LR will go to subscription only

But there are OTHER chooses. Catpure One Pro looks good. Correl has a product too. Bibble and others. We have time to try these.
 
robjulo said:
I've seen about ten posts in this thread with this exact type of spin for FCPX, pages, keynote etc. How many times does apple get to fumble releases, leave out basic features and still get a pass?
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I'm not giving Apple a pass. I stated that they fumbled it, which is to say, they screwed it up. They should have waited another year, maybe even 2, before releasing it. But to keep saying that it still sucks? Leads me to believe you either haven't used it LATELY, or you don't get how to edit in FCPX, which is faster than the old style NLE's like FCP 7 or Adobe Premiere Pro.
 
No More Local Storage?

Can anyone confirm that photos will not allow local storage? While I'm not a professional, I have a fairly large library of around 20,000 photos and would like to maintain local storage.
 
Stella said:
This is the problem with Apple, they don't have commitment to keep a product going. Road Maps are secret, the end user is left in the dark to whether the product will be developed, or retired.

Its a shame since Aperture was a nice product.

Anyone who uses Apple software professional had better think twice - continue to use Apple software or migrate to a 3rd party?
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I think this will just KILL Apple's reputation with ALL professionals, not just photographers but musicians and others. Secret road maps that have secret dead ends. No way on Earth could you trust them enough to make long term business plans.

They could change this by publicly announcing that EVERY software product will be supported for some number of years from its release date.

I'm sure the marketing people know this effect on pros but decided there are not enough of them to matter and they can save a lot of money by not supporting Aperture.
 
Some time it is fun reading here, sometime it is not. Im begin to ask myself, why it is always, that when Apple announces something new (or different) in the first place it gets beaten down ? Yes, I think you can call me a pro, I live from shouting stills and video and a camera like the 1DX has a live span of no more than 12 months ( I shoot far more then 1 million pictures a year and the photo equipment has to be retired after 300.000 reliability wise.) Yes and I work with Aperture and LR since they where betas. Aperture for organizing and export of lightly enhanced versions for post production in LR and sometimes from there to Photoshop. When I have in one project over 100000 pictures (only 5000 will be used in the end) LR is no good for sorting, Aperture does a better job in my workflow. Now we learned that Aperture will be retired---so the end of the world!!!! No! 1. we don't know how good the new photo will handle the task, and 2. Aperture will not stop to work - in the worst case one Mac has to stay with the then antic OS 10.10 and it still will work as long as the computer exists (what is pretty long in the case of a Mac).
I guess that the new photo app, will be very powerful. We learned that that we where wrong when we thought FCP7 was the best editing solution, no FCPX is multiple times as powerful and more intuitive, if and only if someone is willing to learn the new UI.
Why always beat something new? Because it is from Apple? Isn't this the company that gave us all these great tools like Aperture or FCP in the first place, didn't they prove with this that they know what they are doing, why not now with something different?
 
jclardy said:
Sure, but that means there will be no future versions. In 3-4 years when OS X Mountain View no longer can run Aperture what is he supposed to do? If you are going to switch software at some point it will be a lot easier to do it at the beginning when you have no library to convert.

For me I already switched to Lightroom. Managing content across multiple externals is so much easier than Aperture. I like Aperture's interface better, but now that it is being discontinued I am glad I made the switch already.
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I never said he had to use it indefinitely... but if it's functional now, why not use it? Also, why wouldn't a later version of OS X be able to run it, assuming it's still running on Intel CPUs? Mavericks can still run UBs made during the Tiger era.
 
That's what's coming - overhauled Aperture under name Photos

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mistasopz said:
Apple is becoming a toy company. Apple is not for professionals, they don't care about that segment of the market... they haven't for some time now. It's all about the iPhone/iPad and apps and making OSX look more like iOS. Final Cut Pro was made a useless product, now Aperature is going away. Mark my words, Apple is going to start producing its own chips and move away from its unix base and everything in the future will just be iOS.
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Have to kind of agree with you. I'm new to the world of Mac after having just purchased my first rMBP. I've had three iPhones - all of which I love and I'm a potentially lucrative customer for them being at a young age and an engineer. But moving to Mac after building systems for the past ten years is only going to last as long as A, they continue to make great products like the rMBP and iPhone and B, as long as I can game and run Windows on my Mac. As soon as they ditch Intel and build their own ARM based chips then I would move back to Windows. Although why would they ditch UNIX? It's that underpinning that makes OS X and iOS as stable and good as they are. I'm just not interested in ARM for anything more than an iPhone or tablet and with Intel hammering down their TDP's is there really a need for Apple to build their own chips for their Macs?

I think their obsession with thinness and battery life (atleast on Macs) while nice is going to start coming at the sacrifice of performance and productivity. No doubt the iPhone 6 while great will see no considerable improvement to battery life. I would rather they kept the already very thin dimensions of the iPhone 5S and focus on battery life.

As for Aperture, I never used it. I have always used Photoshop. But after Adobe's password leak and stupid CC subscription (sure it might be good for some but I hate having more monthly outgoings than is absolutely required) I just have zero interest. CS6 looks and works great on my Mac, so why would I upgrade to some DRM laden version?
 
re ne photo app replacing iphoto

I do not mind this IF Apple has learnt from its mistakes of the past of dumbing down etc.
BUT ..... BUT....
I hope they learn that not all of us are at all interested in 'iclouds'.
iclouds are Ok for somethings BUT NOT for large collections of photos.
I am NOT interested in paying for iCloud storage when I have just bought a 3T hard drive iMac and which to control what photos I put on my iPhone and iPad.
SO Apple ALWAYS give your customers the OPTION.
 
The writing was on the wall!

I'm completely shocked too—by how shocked everyone claims to be. Really?

Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed Aperture quite a bit. I've still got 30K photos parked in an Aperture Library. (I've since migrated to Lightroom. Over 2 years ago.) Aperture had some great little nuances about it that made it a joy to use. It felt like it was made by photographers, whereas LR feels like it was made by engineers. Which is lame!

But let's be honest here: the writing was on the wall for a VERY long time that this day was coming. I think a lot of folks got caught up in their own personal hopes for this software—instead of paying attention to reality. There's all this chatter that Apple "is" becoming this mainstream company. iOs-ifying everything they can. If you think that—you're wrong. It already HAS BECOME that company. We're not in the middle of some transition here. We're at the tail end of the transition.

Apple does not make niche products any longer and have not done so in a very long time. Apple used to make specialty software, that appealed to the 20%. (I'm going to improvise on some numbers here using the loosest version of the Pareto Principle, the 80-20 rule.) Shake is the perfect example. It was a highly specialized bit of software. VFX companies used it. No one else. VFX companies, overall, represent a very tiny portion of the general, computing public. 20% of the general computing public. Pfft, not even! Apple doesn't cater to these specialist now. They're focused on the 80%—the mainstream, John Q. Public, the mass market. This is all incredibly obvious by now, right? Is FCPX a fit for every video editor on the planet? Nope. Networks? Feature Films? No. Again though, these are niches. Nowadays everyone wants to be a video editor, with all the GoPro, iPhone, DSLR footage floating around. And for 80% of this whole group FCPX is probably just dandy. Apple's playing to the masses. End of story.

Aperture's appeal lied with a very select group. Pro Photographers. High end users. A niche. Of all the people in the world, right now, with a need to store and/or slightly adjust photos…are 80% of them "Pros"? No. 80% of them are "iphoneagraphers" posting their latest meal on instagram. So it follows, that Apple doesn't care about this little sliver that Aperture was servicing. Poof. It's done. Kaput. I'm a little disappointed, but "shocked"? Not one bit! Photos will work a treat for 80% of the "photographing populous". That's where Apple's aim is. They're not concerned with the specialists any more. Sorry, but this has been their modus operandi for years now. Years. I don't want to put anyone down here, but this news came as a shock to anyone, I can't say 'Shame on Apple', I'd have to say, 'Shame on you'. Either way though, it is a shame—just not a surprise.

Anyway, there's seems to be some paranoia and panic surrounding the "stand-alone" version of Lightroom. It's here. Scroll to the bottom. Lower right:

How long will this last? Who knows…
Q. Will Lightroom become a subscription only offering after Lightroom 5?
A. Future versions of Lightroom will be made available via traditional perpetual licenses indefinitely.
 

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GoSh4rks said:
You can. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html
Scroll all the way down, it says Lightroom 5 standalone. You'll have to edit the cart from the upgrade to the full version, but it's there.

Or just buy it from a retailer. Very easy to find that way.
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Just download it for free, after all you never "own" the software, and the system is rigged against you. We must all stop being sheep.
 
I have been a Professional Commercial Photographer for 29 years, I moved to Digital 100% 14 years ago..

NOBODY I know in the Industry has ever used Aperture!! NOBODY!!

We all use Photoshop!!

So, Pros out there are NOT going to miss something they never used..


I'm in the process of Moving my RAW Process to Lightroom 5, Nikon is NOT supporting new Bodies with their RAW Converter Capture NX2 and Beta Testers for the new OS say that Capture NX2 DOES NOT work at all!! Nikon's new Converter is an overly simplified and Dumbed Down Version of a previously good Converter!! One of the Main Reasons I dumped Canon was because their RAW Converter was just useless!!
 
I think that there a few things to keep in mind, iPhoto, in particular, and Aperture, are both in need of a redo. The Photos app that we very briefly saw at WWDC look really good. And that app is functional on an iPad, including RAW manipulation. The update to the Arstechica indicated that the Photos app will support support 3rd party plugins and professional features. Maybe this will be like FCPX where features kept being added. There was a natural collision that was inevitable as features are continually being added to iPhoto and other inexpensive, or free, photo programs as they grew close to Aperture in capabilities. It makes sense for Apple to consolidate its photo apps. The new app is going support the current Aperture library, which is good news. Cloud based storage options are good for folks who are mobile. So I will wait for more information before I migrate to LR.
 
I used to use Aperture but it's fallen so far behind that this was pretty much inevitable.

Switched to lightroom at the end of 2013 and haven't looked back. It blows aperture out of the water when it comes to image processing... it's really not even close.

And let's face it... most real pros haven't used it for a long time.. if they ever did. It's all about Lightroom and Photoshop.
 
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