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Well this sucks :/

I liked Aperture sooo much better than Lightroom. I like the Loupe tool, the adjustments, the biggest thing is the library structure itself, there was only ONE file to worry about.
This is where I have the biggest problem with Aperture, that library structure was a disaster for pro or even amature usage. The concept and design is just totally unreasonable for pro usage.

In some ways I'm shocked at the adoption Aperture did get. I basically gave up on it because it worked contrary to my best interests.
Lightroom (unless things have changed) has that awful XMP sidecar file, and a few other smatterings of files to deal with when you move your library around.
 
$80 is an expensive piece of software? Let's do the math. Professional photographers, which is the market it was serving, would make that back after ONE paid photo shoot.
The overwhelming majority of professional photographers are not living well off their chosen profession. Sure there are the few in the spotlight that through reputation make a good living but the vast majority would be living in poverty if it wasn't for a wife or husband to support them. $80 is a lot of money to spend if you don't need too.
 
Lightroom 5 costs $99 AUD at the moment.

How long until the price rises back up now that it doesn't have to compete with Aperture?
 
Hopefully Photos will at least support Aperture adjustments.


I'm sooooo glad I bought VSCO 2 for Aperture a couple months ago. :mad:
 
most apple users are like walking dead......no matter how many times apple beat the crap out of them with some crappy stuff.....they keep getting up and wanting more....
interesting.

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As someone that uses Aperture weekly, I say 'boo' to Apple. :mad:

so does that mean you'll leave apple for good? and maybe try something else?
 
The last time I used Aperture sidecar was not an option and if you didn't move it there went all your metadata.

Also Aperture is not "expensive software". I'm pretty sure when Apple launched it they didn't say "Oh, lets kill this in exactly x years". Your hate is unfounded.

Yes, its a shame Aperture is gone but this kind of thing happens in the software world. Luckily Lightroom is full fledged and is a perfectly worthy replacement.


Yes, $80 isn't expensive. Fine. But Apple has some nerve charging anything for software they know is dead. It's a sad way to treat their customers.
:apple:
 
Also Aperture is not "expensive software". I'm pretty sure when Apple launched it they didn't say "Oh, lets kill this in exactly x years". Your hate is unfounded.

It is well know that Apple only cares about the bright shiny new stuff.
 
Yes, $80 isn't expensive. Fine. But Apple has some nerve charging anything for software they know is dead. It's a sad way to treat their customers.
:apple:

You know EVERY company does this right? You're still buying a perfectly fine product. Microsoft still charges for Windows 7, Adobe still charges for CS6, these programs don't magically stop working just because Apple made the announcement that they were killing it. Apple is making it compatible with Yosemite, giving people time to migrate their workflow, working with Adobe to create a transition plan, and creating another program that may fill the needs of the rest of the users.

Thats a pretty good way to retire a program if you ask me.

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It is well know that Apple only cares about the bright shiny new stuff.

I disagree. I think that kind of statement is completely unfounded. I don't see any proof of it anywhere.
 
Maybe that is good for the simplistic user but the whole idea of organizing pics the way Aperture did just strikes me as amateurish. It might be ideal for somebody that has no clue as to how the UnIx directory structure works but that is about it.

The filesystem structure is a horrible way to organize data.

DATABASES are meant to organize data, and Aperture/Lightroom took that approach.

Filesystems are a very unintuitive way to organize data. You're stuck with a fixed organizational structure, and can't really cross reference files.

It's far easier to shove everything into a database and let the database figure it out for you. The shoebox model of data is far more user-friendly when the data is known - iTunes, Aperture, etc.. all use this model, as well as many other apps.

Filesystems should only be used as a last-resort for data storage, as it's completely inefficient.
 
This is where I have the biggest problem with Aperture, that library structure was a disaster for pro or even amature usage. The concept and design is just totally unreasonable for pro usage.

I still don't understand this criticism after all these years... the library structure is perfectly fine for pros and amateur use... the files are all there for anyone to see if they want, and for those who don't care, they're all hidden in a library.

Works like a charm for me.

This obsession of seeing every single folder and image is just crazy IMHO. Hide the files most of the time and when I need access, let me have them. Aperture does that.
 
As a professional, this is absolutely the end. Apple will cease to provide RAW converter updates to Aperture, so when I eventually upgrade to a yet-to-be-released camera such as the Canon 1DX Mark II and the Canon 5D Mark IV, I will be ***** out of luck.

Bryan

Thanks for the clarification. What are you going to switch to? Or do you expect the Photo App to have some advanced powerful software? My Nikon D2 is supported of course, but I suppose it will all be over by the time I get my Leica. (looking forward to that :eek: )

Until October 2015 if you want to use the new Mac OS 10.11 :apple: will only continue to deliver support for 10.10.

Thanks for that useful information. So when Mojave or whatever debuts, that's it.

I can only hope that Photo App includes some of the image manipulation features currently found on the Aperture program.

Actually Aperture did self destruct for some people, me included. I can't use it anymore because it says my computer is 'too old'. Apple forced me into installing a practically featureless 'upgrade' that does nothing but check my computer model and then disable the app. And they managed to make it impossible to roll back without also rolling back the entire OS.

Here's hoping there's a newer computer in your future. But the consensus seems to be the party is indeed over..

Too bad, really.
 
No, they are not abandoning photo editing completely. But they recognize there's going to be a lot of upset people thinking that they are, so they are being proactive and providing graceful transitions to other options. It's a mature way to handle it. For many people, consumers and semi-pros, the new Photos app will be more than enough for their needs.

Apple is all about letting go of the old to make room for the new. Gotta respect that.

Seems to me Apple is all about what's best for them regardless of the consequences for their loyal customers. Really would it kill them to invest in their pro software to give us an alternative to the over-priced Adobe stuff? Of course it wouldn't. They didn't have to kill Aperture, they could have spun it off as a separate business like they do with Filemaker. Hell shove all their other pro software in their to and maybe they might put some effort in for a change.
 
Saw this coming a few years back, mostly with the update that FCPX got.

Apple just couldn't keep up with Adobe in terms of RAW editing and support.

Most of the LR and Aperture users i know in the various photo/imaging industries almost always went to Photoshop to do fine and advanced image editing.

For me, the Lightroom --> Photoshop workflow yielded me better and more consistent results than the Aperture --> Photoshop workflow.

Not to mention, every client I worked for wanted me to work in Lightroom.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the "Photos" app.

Unless Photo is some great app (doubt it) Adobe will no longer have to compete against Apple and wonder what they are going to next with Aperture.

Lightroom and Photoshop will suck over time because their is less competition from Apple.
 
NOPE.

This is not fun at all. I love the Aperture library system and workflows. I've got everything so efficient now, and it's been causing me no problems. It's also taken some of my amateur photographer family members years to get used to this system. (lol)

Last time I tried Lightroom I didn't enjoy it at all. This is a real shame.. I just don't see the point in killing it entirely. Sell it off to someone maybe but EOLing it is really pretty harsh.
 
I would really like for apple to transfer the source and rights to aperture to pixelmator. But that would not be consistent with apple's icloud strategy :rolleyes:
 
Personally I think Apple is just understaffed when it boils down to software development. I mean how many times has it happened they had to pull OS X developers to work on iOS and vice versa? Says enough. Makes you wonder though what the issue is to hire more people for a company with Apple's resources.

Real estate. That's why they're building Campus 2.
 
I would really like for apple to transfer the source and rights to aperture to pixelmator. But that would not be consistent with apple's icloud strategy :rolleyes:

I could not agree more with this statement. Give it to Pixelmator.
 
This is where I have the biggest problem with Aperture, that library structure was a disaster for pro or even amature usage. The concept and design is just totally unreasonable for pro usage.

In some ways I'm shocked at the adoption Aperture did get. I basically gave up on it because it worked contrary to my best interests.

Enlighten us all to the Pro usage that Aperture couldn't handle and why it wasn't in your best interests.

I've shot over 3 years worth of weddings, stock photography, family shoots, etc. Photography isn't my day job, but I make good hobby money doing it. I'm failing to grasp what about Aperture's library structure you think makes it unsuitable. I have a feeling the true answer is you just don't/didn't understand how it truly worked.
 
Panic much?

Note: Apple never said (at least not anywhere I can see), that they are offering any path to Lightroom (original TC article updated to clarify that there is no official workflow for migrating to Lightroom.). So no indication that Aperture's high level functions will actually be gone.

As a company, if Apple see's that Aperture is either not doing well enough to continue throwing resources at it or it's a giant overlap with iPhoto, the decision has to be made... Kill it, make it free and kill iPhoto, or merge them (free or paid). Hopefully the new version will do exactly what it should do, keep all the high end features Aperture has, but offer a simple interface to consumers.

  • From a Pro's perspective... Tools central to workflow are rarely updated immediately, especially if you hand data back and forth between multiple workstations via NAS or SAN. You don't dive head long into the pool until the waters been checked.
  • From a Consumer's perspective... If I can get something easy to use, low cost (or free), with advanced options thrown in for good measure... Great!

Frankly, a new code base, with the feature sets of both apps, opting to keep the power features of Aperture and the simplicity of iPhoto is the best possible choice. All the gnashing of teeth about the Photos app may be a complete waste of time. Pro's may even get the added bonus of Pro features for free (hopefully).

Let's remember, Apple is a hardware company that makes software tightly integrated into the hardware so they can sell the hardware and tout 'easy to use' and 'great experience'. Including an robust and easy to use Photo's app with new machines and upgraded OS's just increases saleability of new machines, especially if that app has Aperture level tools in it.
 
It'd be nice if they'd combine their 3 photos apps into one.

And Logic into Garageband

And FCP X into FCP.

And a Motion-like vector graphics/cad/design/animation app would be nice.

Just make one full featured app for each discipline, offer a default basic module & UI for beginners and grannies who'll never use all the Pro bells and whistles.

Then put it on every mac you sell, and sell the hell out of them.
 
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