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So this is how Apple is justifying that unconscionable pricing.

It is a reference monitor that compares favorably with the Flanders Scientific that costs $45,000. There is no competitive monitor, at even twice the price.

Apple: "No, this is actually cheap!"
Yup, for those who need to do color grading or work on HDR film projects, this is a great price.
 
apple lost it design wise. i can only assume it was steve jobs who was the driving force for an ultra clean, pure design language in the sense of german braun/ bauhaus/ hochschule für gestaltung/ sony
Ha, and yesterday people on Twitter were complaining that Apple doesn’t know how to do anything other than rip off Braun.
 
So this is how Apple is justifying that unconscionable pricing.

Audience: gasps & murmurs of disapproval.
Apple: "No, this is actually cheap!"

That price is not unconscionable, it is pretty reasonable for what it is. Check out what Barco charges for medical imaging displays. $25,000 is pretty common. High end displays are VERY expensive.
 
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SO...it took Apple all these years to go BACK to the SAME basic "Cheese Grater" design AGAIN? WTF couldn't they just use the same prior chassis updated to modern specs like every single PC out there that isn't Apple????? I don't get it. It shouldn't take them a HALF DECADE to make the same basic chassis LOOK (it may be different inside) they had before the R2D2 cigar smoking trash can model.... :rolleyes:

Yay, it's a mini-tower and can fit in a rack. That takes 5-years to design.... Maybe Apple should have just called up Alienware and asked for one of their cases.... ;)
 
The new MP weighs 18kg, about 40 pounds.

You put the handles facing forward:
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This is a 71 lb max machine. It is also rackable because the height is <19 inches. You don't waste height space with the handles.
 
If you find it to be over engineered and absurdly priced then you're not the target market and have no need for it. As the name implies, it is intended for professional users (people who earn a living creating special effects, editing film, etc).
Just like the previous MacPro isn't it? Wasn't it designed for the same thing? You probably said the same thing for those that doubted it.

For example Let's see in a few years how its users will find "MPX boards" for the upgradability they so dearly paid.

And also I already know I am not the target market (and I meant that in the post you quoted).
 
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Ultimately, Apple have delivered what people wanted: a product for any professional regardless of their profession, rather than the 2013 "Pro" machine that they thought people wanted based on how Apple's professionals use a Mac (LPX & FCPX).

Agreed. I've used maxed-out iMacs in the last decade for my profession and resent Apple for forcing such internals into an inappropriate housing, while compromising serviceability and flexibility. Glad to see the proven Old School approach is back. However, it's a tad late for me personally as I'm contemplating retirement.
 
For those who missed the news, Apple is planning a rack-mounted version of the Mac Pro with a different chassis appropriate for a data center. Apple says this version will be available in the fall.

Intended for a data center? That seems unlikely, at this point.
Much more likely is that it's intended to be racked along with various other AV equipment in studios and editing suites.
 
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So THIS one is called CHEESE-GRATER 2.0, right? We don't want to confuse them with the Cheese Grater from before the TRASH CAN years, right? Brilliant cutting edge design from Apple (the company of INNOVATION) to just copy their own OLDER design in a shorter form factor and take a half decade to do it....

"They envisoined the cheese grater design years ago," it says. Yeah, the FIRST time they released a Mac Pro cheese grater. This is clearly the baby model.
 
You put the handles facing forward:
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This is a 71 lb max machine. It is also rackable because the height is <19 inches. You don't waste height space with the handles.

No... This version of the Mac Pro is not meant for rack mounting. It's for sitting on the floor or desk. Handles facing forward would be very awkward trying to use them.

You probably missed the news that Apple will be releasing a rack-mount version of the Mac Pro this Fall.
 
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Yeah but why just this High-high-high-high-end display though? The percentage of people who need a reference monitor is so tiny. At least give us a super colour accurate display for photographers as well to be competition for Eizo.
Everyone was screaming that they abandoned the pro market and what did Apple do? They went into a extreme niche market where just a few pro can afford this stuff or where large companies can buy these for their employees.

Is Apple mandating you buy the display? No. The 4K display market is full of options. If that gets it done for you you don;t need the 6K Apple display.
 
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“Just finance it! The stand is no more expensive than a cup of coffee a day!” That’s how they justified a grand for a phone right?

The Mac Pro is not positioned for regular consumers. It's for big-money industry. I think showing it off at WWDC was a misstep since they are teasing developers that are already struggling to make ends meet. Maybe it should have been revealed at a different venue?
 
No... This version of the Mac Pro is not meant for rack mounting. It's for sitting on the floor or desk. Handles facing forward would be very awkward trying to use them.

You probably missed the news that Apple will be releasing a rack-mount version of the Mac Pro this Fall.

You misunderstand. The pictured workstation can be rack mounted with the simple addition of a rail kit. You do not need to buy a separate model. This design maximizes internal usable volume since racks mean the height can be no more than 19 inches. Handles and feet that protrude vertically subtract from this space.

The handles work fine grabbing from the top. We have these at work.

The Apple handles are form over function.

Note also that the pictured workstation has a single side panel that opens. This means you can service the computer by sliding it forward in the rack. You can't do this for the Mac Pro when the whole top part lifts off. You have to take the whole thing out of the rack.
 
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apple lost it design wise. i can only assume it was steve jobs who was the driving force for an ultra clean, pure design language in the sense of german braun/ bauhaus/ hochschule für gestaltung/ sony

Ultra clean like this? I remember reading something about Steve and Jony literally strolling through a garden talking about the iMac and Steve pointing to a sunflower as inspiration. It's like something off of Toy Story.
 

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The price is insane but why does it still only have 60hz refresh rate? Should be 120hz.

20,000,000 pixels. New technology to achieve an end product with stellar performance. The entire back is a heat sink! Doubling the refresh rate would likely push it beyond its capabilities, generate more heat, and possible sacrifice some of its performance in other ways.

First generation. The next will improve upon it.

Refresh rate is not really important for photo editing, but is it for video editing? This monitor is not intended for gaming.
 
Agreed. Could it cope with the thermals I wonder... The new machine is indeed a beast! Not to my taste visually, but that's irrelevant.

I still use the 20 inch Aluminium ACD with a 2012 Mac mini. That ACD and the Mac Pro design are from a more aesthetically pleasing era, in my opinion.

There have been some questionable designs post 2012 for me... The bin Mac Pro, the lack of the glowing Apple Logo on laptops, humpy battery cases, dongles for everything and anything gold/rose gold.

Still, performance wise, this Mac Pro and Display update will please the pro's

This design is over 15 years old and still looks better...

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Just for reference, this is the sort of monitors the new Apple Pro Display XDR is set to compete with:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...m_318g_31_1_true_4k_monitor_4096x2160_10.html

They will sell these to entertainment studios mainly and these won't care about having to pay for a stand for $999, they will probably get the VESA adapter or maybe even get custom adapters to fit exactly what they need so the all outrage about the stand price is ridiculous when you put things in context.

It's like Sunday drivers feeking outraged at the price price of Formula 1 tyres as if they could use the Formula 1 to its full potential in the first place.

I am glad there are at least a few sane people on MacRumors.
 
So does this mean the return of the Xserve and a renewed focus on server or data center uses for the Mac? The hardware may be there again, but the software isn't.

Properly not. There is a whole industry where people rack mount their Mac mini and Mac Pro. Apple knew there are sales in those areas, so it would be better to embrace it rather than let this keep going.
 
apple lost it design wise. i can only assume it was steve jobs who was the driving force for an ultra clean, pure design language in the sense of german braun/ bauhaus/ hochschule für gestaltung/ sony

I was actually thinking this. There's no way Jobs would have approved of this design. TBH I'm not even sure Jony was involved because the thing is just so hideous and unApple-like, especially that monitor.
 
I think it's great that Apple is making a cheaper yet better reference monitor, it will allow lower end studios to use higher end monitors than before.

However. I do wish Apple also made a regular old display for us regular old people. Like they used to: you know, like the display in the iMac, but separate. It was called the Thunderbolt display but it wasn't a reference monitor for pros, it was a regular but still great display for regular people, to connect to a Mac Mini or a MacBook, among others. Yes, it was overpriced, as it cost as much as an iMac, but they could have just lowered the price? No, instead, they just made a display totally not targeted at the people who would have bought any of their previous displays.

Nothing wrong with their new Apple Retina HDR Super Mega XQHDFQ display, but that is not who their target audience used to be. Apple used to make consumer products that were so good that even pros would use them. Now they want to make pro products that only compete with stuff that 99% of people would never even dream of. That would be fine if they also cared about their usual high-end consumers who have more money and higher needs than the average person but aren't that rich either.

The Mac Pro, the new display, the iMac Pro, and even the MacBook Pro or iMac with a decent video card simply costs more than a high-end consumer machine should. These simply used to cost less, and people aren't making that much more money since then.

Even if you're just better off than the average person, you can only afford Apple's "low end" computers (which by the way are also "premium" products, like the MacBook and MacBook Air – rather than cheaper, yet decently powerful ones like the plastic MacBook used to be.


Well said. They overshot this one quite a bit on entry price, at least for now. Let's hope some less hot-rodded versions come out for studios on a budget. I've been waiting for a MacPro and Apple monitor that I can afford for a decade. Still waiting. Still stuck with a non-servicable all-in-one.
 
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