Apple Event on Thursday May 18th, 2006?

[50548]

This thread is hurting my head.

Yonah is obsolete the second Merom comes out! Yes... just like the Quad-G5 will be when it gets replaced. But hold on, then just half a year after Merom, Merom would be obsolete! Ok, let's wait until the end of time until computers don't even need a processor, and they run off brain power

And we're talking about releasing a consumer machine. Do you think the average consumer is going to go around asking if you have a 64-bit processor? Do you think the average consumer who needs to word process a document is going to be thrilled about having 20% more power than Yonah?

Ditto...I've never seen so much crap in the same thread as now...this "64-bit is in, 32-bit is out" argument is simply ridiculous...there is not a SINGLE software produced just for 64-bits, and there is NO way we're gonna see a mass migration to 64-bit in less than 3 years...

After spending one weekend out I come back and read the last 3 pages, wondering whether these people really believe what they write...it's amazing. Not to mention Multimedia's proxy work, bien sûr...

 

[Arne]

Hi there!

I'm new here. I don't have a Mac but I plan to buy a MacBook (or however they'll call it) as soon as it's available.

This ist what I think about the 32Bit-outdating: Look at this: Jobs said, he would start in summer 2006 with his Intel-transition. In fact he started in January/Febuary 2006 (I think). But he must have known that there were going to be C2D-processors in summer 2006. So if he really wanted to have all Macs using 64Bit-architecture, he would have waited and not have released CD-Macs at all. I guess he saw, that there is no real need for C2D-Macs, at least not for the consumer-models. So I think, that there won't be any MacBooks, minis and maybe even iMacs using C2D-processors soon, propably not even to the end of this year. I mean.. what's the deal? What advantage does 64 bit provide you as a consumer?

 

[Multimedia]

Buy All The Yonah Macs You Can While They're HOT!

Hi there!

I'm new here. I don't have a Mac but I plan to buy a MacBook (or however they'll call it) as soon as it's available.

This ist what I think about the 32Bit-outdating: Look at this: Jobs said, he would start in summer 2006 with his Intel-transition. In fact he started in January/Febuary 2006 (I think). But he must have known that there were going to be C2D-processors in summer 2006. So if he really wanted to have all Macs using 64Bit-architecture, he would have waited and not have released CD-Macs at all. I guess he saw, that there is no real need for C2D-Macs, at least not for the consumer-models. So I think, that there won't be any MacBooks, minis and maybe even iMacs using C2D-processors soon, propably not even to the end of this year. I mean.. what's the deal? What advantage does 64 bit provide you as a consumer?

OK. Now please tell me why Intel will continue to manufacture Yonah processors when they can make Meroms that are Yonah socket and motherboard compatible that run faster, cooler and quieter (less fan noise) than Yonah that they will sell for the same price as Yonah? What makes anyone here think that Intel is going to keep making Yonah processors past August? I really want to know. There is no logical business reason for any Yonah lines to keep rolling past August.

The idea that Apple will not start putting Merom Core 2 Duos in everything ASAP is just wishful thinking. The processor will NOT be the way Apple will differentiate products. SPEED, screen size and ports will.

 

[ImNoSuperMan]

this "64-bit is in, 32-bit is out" argument is simply ridiculous...there is not a SINGLE software produced just for 64-bits, and there is NO way we're gonna see a mass migration to 64-bit in less than 3 years...

Exactly. Just dont understand why some people simply refuse to admit the facts. And to top it off they are talkin bout 20% extra power and stuff which`ll be of no importance to average Joe. MB is for that common man with basic needs and may be, at most, simple little home video editing at best. And it`ll be way more powerful,than required, for such stuff with even a yonah(which as a matter of fact is the fastest mobile CPU to date). So why bother right now bout a Merom at all. Atleast not in a MB. May be in a MBP. No one even knows when MB will be launched. Just forget bout the upgrade for atleast 6 months after launch.

 

[Boggle]

Having just read the last couple of pages, I'm wondering what these discussions about Yonah & Memrom chips have to do w/ the press event opening the Flagship Apple store in NYC?

I haven't read anywhere that Apple is trying to do anything with new chips by next week. But then again, I'm fairly new to the MR and could always stand some enlightenment.

 

[Multimedia]

I Few Of Us Are On A WAR(ning) Path!

Having just read the last couple of pages, I'm wondering what these discussions about Yonah & Memrom chips have to do w/ the press event opening the Flagship Apple store in NYC?

I haven't read anywhere that Apple is trying to do anything with new chips by next week. But then again, I'm fairly new to the MR and could always stand some enlightenment.

lol. Yeah we're killing time trying to make silk out of a sows ear. I Few Of Us Are On A WAR(ning) Path!

 

[ImNoSuperMan]

What makes anyone here think that Intel is going to keep making Yonah processors past August? I really want to know. There is no logical business reason for any Yonah lines to keep rolling past August.

Meroms will be launched only in Aug. And intel will have price cut on all the yonah stock. So Yonah will suit MB much more than a merom. I can remember PII chips were available for a long time since PIII was launched. PIII was priced way higher than PII. And the real world diff in performance was in no way justifiable for the cost. Same goes for PIII wen PIV was introduced. Intel will definitely charge a premium on the newer CPUs. They wont stop all the production of CD at once. They haven`t, to date in case of any CPU upgrade.

 

[Multimedia]

3 Months To Mass Migration To A 64-Bit Mac Universe

Ditto...I've never seen so much crap in the same thread as now...this "64-bit is in, 32-bit is out" argument is simply ridiculous...there is not a SINGLE software produced just for 64-bits, and there is NO way we're gonna see a mass migration to 64-bit in less than 3 years...

The mass migration begins in two weeks and it will take three months. We are now less than 3 months from the historical August 7 WWDC SteveNote where Steve will declare the Mac Universe to be all 64-bit thereafter.

I could be wrong.

 

[Georgeo]

Having just read the last couple of pages, I'm wondering what these discussions about Yonah & Memrom chips have to do w/ the press event opening the Flagship Apple store in NYC?

I haven't read anywhere that Apple is trying to do anything with new chips by next week. But then again, I'm fairly new to the MR and could always stand some enlightenment.

Enlightenment!
Now there is a word I can relate to.
You are right sir, this discusion about Yoda and Enron (or whatever they are called) has nothing to do with the opening of the Flagship store in NYC (or what I call THE PROMISELAND). The Macbook, if the Heavens ever open and god JOBS decides to reveal it, is not targeting Humanoids that require 64bit, superfast turbo charged machines. Plus, I believe that the opening of this new store is about the store itself not the MacBook......may the Duo Core force be with us all.
Appleheads Unite!!

 

[Legacy]

The mass migration begins in two weeks and it will take three months. We are now less than 3 months from the historical August 7 WWDC SteveNote where Steve will declare the Mac Universe to be all 64-bit thereafter.

I could be wrong.

You are...and very

A Steve Jobs with a dedication to shift Macintosh computers into the 64bit generation ASAP should have the same dedication to ensure all his computers are of the quality and difference the name 'Mac' deserves. He lost this in January in my eyes when he announced the first consumer headless Mac with an Intel chip to be a downgrade of the PPC equivalent by using the cheap onboard GMA GPU. In my eyes, a decent GPU is far better than the advantages of 64 bit to anyone, and especially to the consumer who is not after a slightly faster processing output, but a playable frame rate in a game.

 

[ImAlwaysRight]

Having just read the last couple of pages, I'm wondering what these discussions about Yonah & Memrom chips have to do w/ the press event opening the Flagship Apple store in NYC?

I haven't read anywhere that Apple is trying to do anything with new chips by next week. But then again, I'm fairly new to the MR and could always stand some enlightenment.

It has to do with the MacBook rumor attached to the store opening, that Apple could possibly use the store opening to release the MacBooks (my personal feeling is no). Then the two users on this forum that believe any Mac with a Yonah processor is a waste of time and money come in here and spew their (false) doctrine, with wild assertions that Apple will stop using Yonah by August in all Macs, when 3 months previously (as in, right now) Apple started shipping the new MacBook with Yonah. If you believe Apple is going to change processors in the MacBook in 3 months, I've got some beachfront property in Kansas to sell ya!

I Few Of Us Are On A WAR(ning) Path!

And so was Chicken Little ...

To sum it up, if you are in the market for a Mac laptop, the soon-to-be-released MacBooks are going to be a good investment, much better than buying an iBook or Powerbook G4 today. And, no, the MacBooks with Yonah won't be obsolete (as in unusable or unable to run the current Mac OS) in 3 months, or 12 months, or 24 months, so don't let a pair of chicken littles make you question otherwise.

 

[Multimedia]

This Time Is Different

Meroms will be launched only in Aug. And intel will have price cut on all the yonah stock. So Yonah will suit MB much more than a merom. I can remember PII chips were available for a long time since PIII was launched. PIII was priced way higher than PII. And the real world diff in performance was in no way justifiable for the cost. Same goes for PIII wen PIV was introduced. Intel will definitely charge a premium on the newer CPUs. They wont stop all the production of CD at once. They haven`t, to date in case of any CPU upgrade.

NOPE. This time it's different.

 

[50548]

Well, it's seems like Multimedia et. al are having some fun with their 64-bit reveries...let's just chill out and let them dream about the imminent death of 32-bit computing in just 3 months from now...

Yeah, all your G3s, G4s, G5s and Yonahs are obsolete...sorry about that...

 

[Multimedia]

Merom May Be Worth Waiting For And It Might Not Be Worth Waiting For

It has to do with the MacBook rumor attached to the store opening, that Apple could possibly use the store opening to release the MacBooks (my personal feeling is no). Then the two users on this forum that believe any Mac with a Yonah processor is a waste of time and money come in here and spew their (false) doctrine, with wild assertions that Apple will stop using Yonah by August in all Macs, when 3 months previously (as in, right now) Apple started shipping the new MacBook with Yonah. If you believe Apple is going to change processors in the MacBook in 3 months, I've got some beachfront property in Kansas to sell ya!

Are the surfing waves breaking right or left? I do believe that by September-October MacBooks will have Merom Core 2 Duo inside. I do not believe Core 2 Duo will be held back until next year in MacBooks. This is my belief and has nothing to do with what may or may not happen. Only my opinion. Nothing more. I am just being opinionated for recreational purposes. No animals were harmed in the making of this opinion.

To sum it up, if you are in the market for a Mac laptop, the soon-to-be-released MacBooks are going to be a good investment, much better than buying an iBook or Powerbook G4 today. And, no, the MacBooks with Yonah won't be obsolete (as in unusable or unable to run the current Mac OS) in 3 months, or 12 months, or 24 months, so don't let a pair of chicken littles make you question otherwise.

I agree. None of us said nor are implying unusability for many years to come. We are only saying that if the switch isn't URGENT then why not wait for a cooler Merom?

Well, it's seems like Multimedia et. al are having some fun with their 64-bit reveries...let's just chill out and let them dream about the imminent death of 32-bit computing in just 3 months from now...

Yeah, all your G3s, G4s, G5s and Yonahs are obsolete...sorry about that...

Hey! I resemble that remark! G5's are not 32-bit and will not die any time soon. The rest are 32-bit and have a rosy future for many years and decades to come as well. Hell there are still a large number of Mac owners happily running OS 7.6 on their PPC 604's out there man. You guys are TWISTING our words all out of WHACK. Somewhere along the line Alden or I used the word "obsolete" ill-advisedly. We didn't mean it in the way you are using it to describe our posts' meanings. We are referring to the historical FACT not the practical reality. Nothing wrong with Yonah for years to come. I want to apologize to BRLawyer in Switzerland and all his fans for getting your panties in a twist over the misinterpretation of the word "obsolete" among all the Yonah fans here.

Here's Tiger's full Oxford explanation of the word:

Thesaurus
obsolete adjective most of the machinery in their Somerville plant is obsolete | obsolete hairstyles outdated, out of date, outmoded, old-fashioned, démodé, passé, out of fashion; no longer in use, disused, fallen into disuse, behind the times, superannuated, outworn, antiquated, antediluvian, anachronistic, discontinued, old, dated, archaic, ancient, fossilized, extinct, defunct, dead, bygone, out; informal prehistoric. See note at old . antonym cutting-edge, the latest, modern.

Dictionary
obsolete |ˌäbsəˈlēt| adjective 1 no longer produced or used; out of date : the disposal of old and obsolete machinery | the phrase was obsolete after 1625. See note at old . 2 Biology (of a part or characteristic of an organism) less developed than formerly or in a related species; rudimentary; vestigial. verb [ trans. ] cause (a product or idea) to be or become obsolete by replacing it with something new : we're trying to stimulate the business by obsoleting last year's designs. DERIVATIVES obsoletely adverb obsoleteness noun obsoletism |-ˈlēˌtizəm| noun ORIGIN late 16th cent.: from Latin obsoletus ‘grown old, worn out,’ past participle of obsolescere ‘fall into disuse.’

As you can see, there is quite a bit of wiggle room for ambiguous understanding among experts on the future we have assembled in this room.

I'll take "behind the times" for $100.

 

[Boggle]

Ok, thanks for the replies, everyone!

I feel like I've got a better handle on things now. At least I know I wasn't being that dense.

 

[ImNoSuperMan]

NOPE. This time it's different.

I think there`ve been enough arguments on this thing now. Now it`s time to put an end to it. The only benefit of these posts might be that everyone gets to know that there might me newer chips in SUPPOSEDLY all Macs by August. So the ones who believe it are most welcome to Wait at their own risk.

There`s absolutely no point in you, Aiden and Lawyer etc posting your opinions again n again n again and everyone claiming that he`s the only one right.

The ones who cant wait will definitely buy a MB wenever they are announced. The rest will have to decide for themselves.

3 months is not a long time. And we`ll see who was right and who gets to eat crow very soon.

 

[50548]

I think there`ve been enough arguments on this thing now. Now it`s time to put an end to it. The only benefit of these posts might be that everyone gets to know that there might me newer chips in SUPPOSEDLY all Macs by August. So the ones who believe it are most welcome to Wait at their own risk.

There`s absolutely no point in you, Aiden and Lawyer etc posting your opinions again n again n again and everyone claiming that he`s the only one right.

The ones who cant wait will definitely buy a MB wenever they are announced. The rest will have to decide for themselves.

3 months is not a long time. And we`ll see who was right and who gets to eat crow very soon.

Oh yeah...crow is not so bad anyway...

 

[ImNoSuperMan]

Oh yeah...crow is not so bad anyway...

Try eatin a live one then

 

[netdog]

Meroms will be launched only in Aug. And intel will have price cut on all the yonah stock. So Yonah will suit MB much more than a merom. I can remember PII chips were available for a long time since PIII was launched. PIII was priced way higher than PII. And the real world diff in performance was in no way justifiable for the cost. Same goes for PIII wen PIV was introduced. Intel will definitely charge a premium on the newer CPUs. They wont stop all the production of CD at once. They haven`t, to date in case of any CPU upgrade.

It wasn't so long after the 386 was introduced that 286 users were severely limited for choice. There was a lot that wouldn't run on it. This is a similar architecture shift, and the results will be the same. 3 years is a long time in computing. Anybody who can wait three months will be glad they have 64bit architecture one year from the purchase. Just watch.

 

[Multimedia]

WAIT AT YOUR OWN RISK - Please...

I think there`ve been enough arguments on this thing now. Now it`s time to put an end to it. The only benefit of these posts might be that everyone gets to know that there might me newer chips in SUPPOSEDLY all Macs by August. So the ones who believe it are most welcome to Wait at their own risk.

rotflmao. WAIT AT YOUR OWN RISK. That is totally hilarious. You deserve some sort of "most brilliant catch phrase of the week" award Vikas Soni.

There`s absolutely no point in you, Aiden and Lawyer etc posting your opinions again n again n again and everyone claiming that he`s the only one right.

Yes there is. We are providing entertainment value to the string until Thursday. That is the point. I do not claim I am the only one right here. We are all right. I love the diversity here. Don't you see the paradoxical irony in this situation? It's a rare monent in personal computing history.

The ones who cant wait will definitely buy a MB wenever they are announced. The rest will have to decide for themselves.

Nothing like stating the obvious for emphasis.

3 months is not a long time. And we`ll see who was right and who gets to eat crow very soon.

Can we make that Tofu Turkey Instead? I'm getting hungry already. Either way it's gonna be a wild Summer 2006 as all the remaining Mac Lines go Core 2 Duo and the early Core Duo lines get the Core 2 Duo makeover.

 

[ImNoSuperMan]

rotflmao.

Lesson Learned:- Learn from from your mistakes the first time only. Don`t repeat them twice.--

ie. Dont comment on multimedia`s post ever again. Stay clear. No point in arguing with the guy. He`s the HeMan of these forums.

I gotta run now Run before the God MultiMedia catches me.

 

[ImNoSuperMan]

Nothing like stating the obvious for emphasis.

Better to stay within real world with our eyes open than to close our eyes and start some wild speculation I think.

OMG. I`ll never learn. SH#T.

 

[beatle888]

There is no logical business reason for any Yonah lines to keep rolling past August.

one logical business reason summed up in one word, Inventory.

 

[ImNoSuperMan]

one logical business reason summed up in one word, Inventory.

Dont even bother. It`s worthless. Some people just wont agree with anyone else`s thoughts. Other than may be himself.

 

[Multimedia]

Production Lines

There is no logical business reason for any Yonah lines to keep rolling past August

one logical business reason summed up in one word, Inventory.

I meant production lines. I agree there will be some Inventory that will keep it alive for a few more months. Certainly.

I'll shut up now. MacBooks may stay Yonah 'til next year - sure. Why not? Seems reasonable.