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Apple Event on Thursday May 18th, 2006?

Multimedia, it's always hard to understand why you act as Aiden's proxy, but this is irrelevant here anyway. Quote BRLawyer

I agree 100%.

This whole thing about 64 bit is a little silly as many others have said. I know for one that I will buy when I am ready. Knowing that most computers that are made now are 32 bit, will companies JUST be making 64 bit applications in 6 months??? no.(Consumer level apps. I mean)

There are so many 32 bit computers out there, and the life of computers have become better over the recent years, development companies would be stupid not to make 32 bit compatible apps. Opinions are appreciated, but many are not needed so if someone wants to buy now, the fact is that these intelMacs are great computers. The price may go up when Merom comes out, or something may go wrong, just buy when you need it.

I for one will be using my MAC for presentations, word processing, internet and a little gaming, so is someone going to beg me to wait for 64bit? :rolleyes:
 
netdog said:
Speed aside, will a Yonah be useful in 3 years? Sure. Again speed aside, will a Merom be much more useful than a Yonah in three years? Almost certainly.
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the main question for me is the following:
when will there be only 64bit applications without supporting 32bit prozessors?
when i buy a notebook now i hope for a "desktop replacement" for 1,5-2 years. after that i need to buy a new desktop computer and use the notebook for another 1-2 years.
Will the software still be available?
 
The real world is going to be all 64-bit hardware within 3 months from now.
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Whatever mate!

I've have never heard someone spout so much c**p as you. It is not at all. God, if you think about it 6 months ago all we had was g4 chips in Mac laptops. This is such a huge leap forward speed wise. I bet you have not even laid your hands on a CoreDuo Mac yet and had a go.

Sadly the world of computers means that chips will get faster approx every 6 months, you will never be able to buy a computer that is future proof. End of story! :rolleyes:
 
RollTide said:
Multimedia, it's always hard to understand why you act as Aiden's proxy, but this is irrelevant here anyway.
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Actually, MultiMedia and I are the same person ;) - we just have Multiple IP.address Disorder.


RollTide said:
Knowing that most computers that are made now are 32 bit, will companies JUST be making 64 bit applications in 6 months??? no.(Consumer level apps. I mean)
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Intel and AMD have been putting 64-bit CPUs out for a long time, all current x86 desktop chips are 64-bit. Even the current Celerons are 64-bit today! AMD is making 64-bit laptop chips, and in a couple of months so will Intel. 32-bit is virtually dead in the server space, except for some low-power blades virtually all x86 systems are x64 now. (By "current" I mean the latest chips - AMD and Intel continue to sell older 32-bit chips, many of their customers need long-lifetime for a chip, not the latest/greatest/fastest.)

I'm not even sure that "most computers that are made now are 32 bit" is true, but I am sure that in a few months it will not be true.

Again, the story is *not* that Yonah is bad - it's just that it will have a relatively short lifetime before its 32-bit restriction starts to hurt (or maybe "annoy" is a better word than "hurt").

If you must have a new MacIntelBook now, buy a Yonah. If you can wait a few months - wait.

I certainly wouldn't buy an MBP now, you know that those are going to be replaced ASAP with Merom.

Will the iBookIntel jump to Merom right away? IMO if Apple are smart it will....
 
vespats said:
The main question for me is the following:

when will there be only 64bit applications without supporting 32bit prozessors?​

When i buy a notebook now i hope for a "desktop replacement" for 1,5-2 years. after that i need to buy a new desktop computer and use the notebook for another 1-2 years. Will the software still be available?
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Your questions are exactly why we're saying "Wait". Nobody knows what the answer will be.

In 3 or 4 years your Yonah might be the equivalent of where a G3 is today - mostly useful.

Or it might be the equivalent of a 68K or 604 - mostly a museum piece.
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There's something much more here than just the architectural shift to 64-bits.

Apple just starting selling Intel systems a few months ago, and within 6 to 9 months of that debut Intel is changing to a radically better architecture.

The real unknown in the equation - how soon will software vendors decide that "since most MacIntels are 64-bit, I'll stop spending money making the 32-bit x86 fat binary, and only have x64 in the fat binaries"?
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Of course there will be 32-bit support for Windows for many years, there are hundreds and hundreds of millions of 32-bit PCs in the world.

But, how long before there are more x64 Apples than x86 Apples - it really won't be very long before the "9 months of Yonah" is a small fraction of the Apple Intel installed base.

In August, Apple could be selling Merom MBPs and iMacs (and maybe minis & MBs), the new dual-core Conroe mini-tower, and Woodcrest-based quad PowerMacs. By MWSF, the number of 64-bit systems sold could easily outnumber the count of early 32-bit systems.

The longer Apple waits to make a true 64-bit OSX, the longer a Yonah will be useful. (And the more Apple is at a disadvantage to 64-bit Windows systems.)
 
freeny said:
Im going. My invite says "Win great prizes. Get a commemorative t-shirt."
Never been one to pass on SWAG.;)
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PPP (Post Pics Please)

I went to the Ginza and Shibuya openings in Tokyo and have me two t-shirts!

As chance would have it I am in the US from Sunday night. Will be in Miami Sunday night - Thursday morning, then fly to Philadelphia and will be their Thurday morn - Thursday morn following week. I do not have an international drivers licence, plus you US folk drive on the wrong side of the road, so hard to justify the cost of a train ticket to New York, plus would have to leave Saturday morning as I have business scheduled on Friday night, so picts will have to do!

Have fun freeny-san
 
AidenShaw said:
Your questions are exactly why we're saying "Wait". Nobody knows what the answer will be.

In 3 or 4 years your Yonah might be the equivalent of where a G3 is today - mostly useful.

Or it might be the equivalent of a 68K or 604 - mostly a museum piece.
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No s**t sherlock!

You are obsessed with this aren't you!? Any computer in 3 or 4 years time is going to be old news! An average computer has a life of 3 to 4 years before it needs upgrading.

I guess in 3 or 4 years time the G5 chip will be in the equivalent position of a G3 chip now. Or possibly a museum piece. I guess if they release 64bit Macs this year in 3 or 4 years time they may be slower than the chips released then or maybe an equivalent to a G3 now!

It is a daft argument and is no reason why not to buy a computer. If everyone thought like you no one would own a computer because we would just all still be waiting for the latest thing!
 
17" MBP Quality Control Still Embrionic

vikas soni said:
That just reminded me that MBPs are bout 4 months old now.
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Not The 17" MBP which is where a lot of new quality control problems are cropping up. :)

I agree with Alden above so no need to repeat his excellent analysis in reply to anyone bashing my posts above. All we're saying is if you can wait a few months it will be a much better, faster, cooler and quieter MBP and hopefully MB too. But we're also saying that if you need to pull the trigger before Merom no problem(s) (we hope). QC on these early MBPs seems to be dicey at best. That's #1 in my mind. I can wait for the dust to settle while the sub-contractors in China get THEIR act together.

I'm sure most of the early buyers will have a blast with what they get. I don't mean to poo-poo on anyone's parade here. And I apologize for seeming so negative. I only mean to note caution is warranted right now and vigilance with Apple Customer Service in the case of defects - IE don't let them tell you you are IMAGINING problems when you report the need for a fix, particularly the WHINE NOISE and SCREEN BRIGHTNESS IRREGULARITIES - needs to be exercised to make sure Apple gets it right for you via persistent repair trips if necessary and everyone else in future improved quality production. :)
 
jonharris200 said:
The longer this MacBook saga is prolonged, the more empathy I have with doubting Thomas.
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Haha, not related to the above, but this waiting thing again for duo 2, thats crazy talk. When duo2 will be released in august, doesnt mean apple directly shove it up macbooks(pro) @ss, so maybe september, first 64bit...., so maybe alot of testing/problems with that again and you might be lucky to play this baby before 2007.
And when it comes out core 3 duo or whatever will be planned for april and so on. so this already waiting for something new while this new macbook isnt even released is crazy, you will die of rumors overdose..
Then again if you just got a mac for a year and can wait, its cool to wait.

Offtopic, jonharris200 i checked your signature 'site' about the first reactions on ipod (never seen that :) but thats so funny everyone saying WTF is this crappy mp3 player, haha and look at them now, ipodgeeks :p
 
Multimedia said:
All we're saying is if you can wait a few months it will be a much better, faster, cooler and quieter MBP and hopefully MB too. But we're also saying that if you need to pull the trigger before Merom no problem(s) (we hope). QC on these early MBPs seems to be dicey at best. That's #1 in my mind. I can wait for the dust to settle while the sub-contractors in China get THEIR act together.

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HUH?
Wait? I was ready to buy a mac in September (when I had money) than my crazy Mac Loving friend convinced me to wait for the Intel based machines (in my case a new version of the ibook)....SO I did, and here I am..waiting on the waiting, and you recomend waiting longer....At some point you have to make the plunge!!! and I'm ready to put on my trunks and hit the waves....and catch me a MacBook...IF they ever bring it out...and unfortunately I suspect it's not happening this week at the opening...no way.
 
AidenShaw said:
Please wake me when this nonsense is over.

The best news would be:

- New 64-bit MacBook on Tuesday, 15 August.

Anything sooner is Apple just trying to drain your checkbooks with soon-to-be-obsolete technology.

Just say NO! Wait for Merom/Conroe/Woodcrest...
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Very good thinking. Because:

* No other computer maker is selling Yonah/Core laptops--they are all waiting for Merom/Core 2.

* Nobody needs a laptop now. Everyone can wait. There is no current demand for a MacBook.

* Core being much faster than G4 NOW does not matter. A little more speed later matters, but a lot more speed now does not.

* 64-bit computing is vital to consumers of low-end laptops.

* A computer you buy today stops working when a new model comes along. Obsolete!

* When Merom comes out, there will be no more new models. You will keep it forever and no faster Meroms will follow.

I sure hope Apple doesn't try to "drain our checkbooks" with such poor technology as Yonah/Intel Core... even though that's the top laptop chip available ;)


AidenShaw said:
If you must have a new MacIntelBook now, buy a Yonah. If you can wait a few months - wait.
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Now THAT version makes more sense :)
 
Multimedia said:
All we're saying is if you can wait a few months it will be a much better, faster, cooler and quieter MBP and hopefully MB too.
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Thats the big deal. I m sure Apple might put Merom in MBP as soon as they get their hands on it. But as far as MB getting Meroms this august.... We can only hope. Just like we hope that MB will have a CoreDuo,Dedicated GPU,Superdrive and still cost 1199 for that config.:eek: .

Thats not gonna be possible. MB wont be upgraded to Merom in this year. Take my word for it:cool: . If we`ll ever see Meroms in MB, it wont be sooner than MWSF2007. So waiting for Meroms in MB means waiting till Jan(at the very least). That according to my calculation is way more than 3-4 months.9 months to be exact. Also add to that the time people are already waiting for MB.

We all know there`ll be price cut on intel CPU within a month. Yonah will cost way less than it does now. And compared to Merom it will be even more cost efficient. So we`ll be seeing Yonah in MB for some time now. Thats simple Business Sense. Why put the most expensive peripherals in a home consumer product?

G4 to Core duo is the big jump. Core duo to Core 2 Duo is just a small step in comparison. And given the fact that people are already waiting for months now, I dont think there should be any reason to stop from ordering the MB the day it is announced.

And yes I really do want a Bright Fire Red. Or atleast a Black.
 
Out of curiousity, my guess is that with the new macbook you are probably not going to be able to swap out yonah for merom if you purchase the first series.
 
Thats what I`d like to get my hands on. Except for may be that black Trackpad may be.
It`ll be so differnt than anything else(dont compare Acer Ferrari. That looks fugly). I love colors. Even a complete black one will be better than white.

macbookferrari_1.jpg
 
MacBook May Go Merom Right Away As Well

vikas soni said:
Thats the big deal. I m sure Apple might put Merom in MBP as soon as they get their hands on it. But as far as MB getting Meroms this august.... We can only hope. Just like we hope that MB will have a CoreDuo,Dedicated GPU,Superdrive and still cost 1199 for that config.:eek: .

Thats not gonna be possible. MB wont be upgraded to Merom in this year. Take my word for it:cool: . If we`ll ever see Meroms in MB, it wont be sooner than MWSF2007. So waiting for Meroms in MB means waiting till Jan(at the very least). That according to my calculation is way more than 3-4 months.9 months to be exact. Also add to that the time people are already waiting for MB.

We all know there`ll be price cut on intel CPU within a month. Yonah will cost way less than it does now. And compared to Merom it will be even more cost efficient. So we`ll be seeing Yonah in MB for some time now. Thats simple Business Sense. Why put the most expensive peripherals in a home consumer product?

G4 to Core duo is the big jump. Core duo to Core 2 Duo is just a small step in comparison. And given the fact that people are already waiting for months now, I dont think there should be any reason to stop from ordering the MB the day it is announced.

And yes I really do want a Bright Fire Red. Or atleast a Black.
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BUT MacBook May Go Merom Right Away As Well because it will run cooler in that little 13" case. They will just be the slow ones - slower than the MacBook Pros which will likely be 2GHz minimum. I don't see the need to keep selling Yonahs beyond August-September other than a supply problem.

I'm thinking Steve wants to declare an all 64-bit line at the WWDC to go along with his Leopard presentation. But maybe that speech will be postponed until MWSF in January.

But I see your point and agree it's not a deal breaker for most. Alden and I are SOTA fanatics and future thinkers. (speaking for Alden - sorry)
 
Multimedia said:
BUT MacBook May Go Merom Right Away As Well because it will run cooler in that little 13" case. They will just be the slow ones - slower than the MacBook Pros which will likely be 2GHz minimum. I don't see the need to keep selling Yonahs beyond August-September other than a supply problem.

I'm thinking Steve wants to declare an all 64-bit line at the WWDC to go along with his Leopard presentation. But maybe that speech will be postponed until MWSF in January.

But I see your point and agree it's not a deal breaker for most. Alden and I are SOTA fanatics and future thinkers. (speaking for Alden - sorry)
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I really doubt it...if anything the roadmap for the Intel transition in August will mean:

MacBook 13.3":

1.66CD/512MB/40GB/GMA950/Combo/iSight+FR/ $999,
1.66CD/512MB/60GB/X1400 128MB/Super/iSight+FR $1299
1.83CD/512MB/80GB/X1400 128MB/Super/iSight+FR $1499 (August Intro.)

MacBook Pro (August Update):

2.0C2D/1GB/80GB/X1600 128MB/Super/iSight+FR $1999
2.16C2D/1GB/100GB/X1800 256MB/Super/iSight+FR $2499
2.33C2D/1GB/120GB/X1800 256MB/Super/iSight+FR $2799
 
Legacy said:
2.0C2D/1GB/80GB/X1600 128MB/Super/iSight+FR $1999
2.16C2D/1GB/100GB/X1800 256MB/Super/iSight+FR $2499
2.33C2D/1GB/120GB/X1800 256MB/Super/iSight+FR $2799
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You'll never see the X1800 in the macbookpro. Its bad enough they underclock an x1600 to keep power consumption down, let alone a more power hungry X1800....
 
MacRumorUser said:
You'll never see the X1800 in the macbookpro. Its bad enough they underclock an x1600 to keep power consumption down, let alone a more power hungry X1800....
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But the Meroms will be 20% more efficient with power, so that gives room for at least a fully clocked X1600 or underclocked X1800 right?
 
Legacy said:
But the Meroms will be 20% more efficient with power, so that gives room for at least a fully clocked X1600 or underclocked X1800 right?
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No, Merom is 20% faster but at the same power.
 
Legacy said:
But the Meroms will be 20% more efficient with power, so that gives room for at least a fully clocked X1600 or underclocked X1800 right?
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Errr... the X1600 is way underclocked in the iMacs too. And I don't believe saving a few watts on a desktop computer is a good argument to do so. Oh well, nevermind. It's fast enough for now, just needs overclocking when running games on XP ;)
 
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