And you keep making excuses for apple by saying the average person doesn’t care. Are you the voice for the non techie world or something? I guarantee you if Apple caters to these people who you say don’t care, they will gradually decline over time. That’s a good way to lose your core fans who do care and have had a great deal to do with Apples success.
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Apple Event to Include 13-Inch MacBook Pro, 16-Inch MacBook Pro, and 13-Inch MacBook Air With Apple Silicon Chips [Updated]
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And you keep making excuses for apple by saying the average person doesn’t care. Are you the voice for the non techie world or something? I guarantee you if Apple caters to these people who you say don’t care, they will gradually decline over time. That’s a good way to lose your core fans who do care and have had a great deal to do with Apples success.
No fan limits you to a handful of Watts; both iPhone and iPad are thermally constrained.
I'm going the exact opposite direction. There is some vendor-specific Windows-only engineering software I need to use for work that I previously had a Boot Camp partition for, but it's not high performance (at all) so my solution is to just buy a garbage Windows laptop to keep around the office that I can break out when I need it.
Assuming that there are even rudimentary virtualized Windows options available eventually (hello, VirtualPC from the time long ago!), that'll probably be perfectly sufficient for everything I need other than playing the Valkyria Chronicles series games, which have moderate GPU needs and are Win-only.
Hey, man, not like the good old days of the 15" MBP I'm using, which has... let's see... zero upgradable parts.
I believe 2015 was the last time Apple released a laptop that had anything internally upgradable, and you haven't been able to upgrade anything other than the SSD since 2011. If you're harping on the upgradability of an Apple laptop at this point you either haven't bought one in a decade or are using the wrong brand of computer.
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I'm the voice of a real person. A real person that works for a major car dealership and still doesn't know all the functions of our cars or what the previous model had that the new one has, or what the new ones are lacking. I'm the voice a real person who buys Plasma and OLED TV's and puts my time into the models I am interested in rather than searching for what's the oldest or the ones being trashed the most on forums. I'm the voice of a real person who doesn't necessarily invest my time in every sing product I buy whether expensive or not. That is the general public. People who frequent forums are not the general public.
So are you saying that every single thing you buy you do extensive research on forums, reviews, blogs and ask all your friends, family and neighbors about it before purchase? I would doubt highly that you do.
That update doesn’t make sense. If the 16” is ramping, it’s nearly ready to ship.
More like Gurman realized he screwed up when he started getting the reaction we see in this thread: makes no sense. Saying it’s ramping but “might” not be announced next week is just an attempt to save face and save his prediction, imo.
I think the ASi 16” is probably 9-ish months away. I’d be targeting June/July at the latest if I were Apple. We could see a lower-end GPU model sooner I suppose, but I don’t they’ll release it without mini-LED in any case. And that’s not ready.
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That's a guarantee you already failed at because most people buying iPhones just want the latest iPhone. They walk into an Apple store and buy them. Apple has been very successful because of impulse-buying iPhone customers. Heck, Sony still hasn't released all the features of the upcoming Playstation 5 but they've received millions of preorders, so you're dead wrong for thinking people don't just buy without doing extensive research. Most people don't care to do that. They want something, they buy it.
Let’s just agree to disagree since it’s veering off topic. Im still interested in the event though. So let’s see what happens.
Going to hold off on getting excited until two things. First since I from the music production POV going to wait to see how long before pro audio software can actually run stability. Apple track record with OS upgrade and audio issue has been good in recent release. Second when I see an big name media or film composer doing their typical sized projects. Big difference between DIY music makers creating beats and demos and real pro composers working.
For your typical computer users running office suite type app and similar software the Apple silicon should be fine.
For your typical computer users running office suite type app and similar software the Apple silicon should be fine.
All right to round all this up:
That sound about right?
- No one is going to buy the new MB unless it is redesigned because why by the same old design.
- No one wants the design to change because they (insert whatever)
- No one is going to buy the new MB if it is redesigned because it will cause problems
- Everyone wants the new MB to hurry up with the redesign
- No one wants Apple Silicon first generation because it will have bugs
- Everyone wants Apple Silicon because they did so well avoiding bugs in the past
- There is absolutely no way that Apple Silicon will be able to compete with high end intel in the 16" MB Pro
- There is absolutely no way that Apple Silicon will be slower than even the high end intel in the 16" MB Pro
- The new Mac absolutely must have a 1080p front facing camera with face ID
- No one cares or needs a front facing camera with face ID
- I am the only person on the planet the doesn't work for Apple AND likes the touch-bar
- The new macs will have still use AMD graphics because that is the only way they can keep up
- The new macs will have now use Apple graphics but the larger size/power/thermal loads will have it running rings around the competition.
That sound about right?
Generally speaking, cooling is w/cm^2. That said, heat spreads through the silicon, too, so, for example, if the GPU is hot, it can heat up the neighboring CPU, which can necessitate down-clocking. So if latency is not an issue, it’s better to spread things out.
Of course, the package is bigger than the die and extends past it, so the overall volume of the package may be more if there are two die. But, on the other hand, if the usage pattern is such that the GPU gets hot when the CPU doesn’t (or vice versa), the volume may be reduced because you can use smaller fins (and/or heat pipe).
So, in short, the answer is “it depends.”
Apparently audio hardware lasts forever, which is why people are still buying 5,1s. If this transition is like the others, the older software and hardware solutions won't work on the new platform, and will basically be abandonware...which is why I'm hanging onto my 5,1: resale.
In theory you could use an aerosol heat pipe with a sufficiently large heat spreader (e.g. the entire bottom of the case) and do ok. But, yeah, I want fans.
It is hardly considered a 1st gen but something is going to be missing like probably the U1 Chip for some imbecile reason.
You were doing so well until that last sentence—which makes zero sense 🙂
The CPUs have been ready for some time; at a certain point we’ll have to assume it won’t be updated. That would be unfortunate; I’ve argued when others suggested it was a Mac Pro stop gap.
It could be that it sells poorly and it’s done. Or maybe Apple was waiting to see how the Mac Pro did before making the call, in which case we could see a refresh soon. Maybe they’re just waiting for mini-LED. That’s the hope I’m holding on to anyway lol.
Also, iirc the new CPUs are in a new package, which would have required a redesigned logic board, vs. a drop-in replacement. That’s less likely to happen if the iMac Pro sales are low.
Thanks. Yeah, engineering isn’t so easy 🙂 Apple is rather good at this stuff, so it’ll be really interesting to see what solutions they’ve decided on. I’ll bet that silicon group is having a blast, even though there’s a ton of hard work involved.
For the pro models I’m as/more interested in what partnerships Apple has got in place for software. Adobe, Autodesk, Microsoft, etc. people care about performance and the software they run. Most won’t care what actual processor is in there as long as they can do the things they want/need on the machine.
I’ll also be interested to see what the GPU world looks like. and how much ATI (err AMD) and Nvidia will charge as a premium for “custom” chips. (like we had in the G3/4/5 days)
I’ll also be interested to see what the GPU world looks like. and how much ATI (err AMD) and Nvidia will charge as a premium for “custom” chips. (like we had in the G3/4/5 days)
You keep overestimating the usefulness of bootcamp to the average user. Are you the voice of the average Mac user or something?
For anyone on the fence about AS and 16“... we haven‘t seen a single trace of Apples Mac class AS yet.
Could be that them sharing the A chip name is where the comparison ends. There‘s more to a desktop CPU than the current ARM chips offer. If they ship a chip with 12 cores that has double the clock speed of the current A14 chip (because these devices have literally active cooling and a gigantic chassis) we might look at something that kills the high end Intel chip.
This is disregarding all software related issues btw. (these will get ironed out in the future and compatibility will follow anyways).
Could be that them sharing the A chip name is where the comparison ends. There‘s more to a desktop CPU than the current ARM chips offer. If they ship a chip with 12 cores that has double the clock speed of the current A14 chip (because these devices have literally active cooling and a gigantic chassis) we might look at something that kills the high end Intel chip.
This is disregarding all software related issues btw. (these will get ironed out in the future and compatibility will follow anyways).
This would be consistent with my speculation from a couple of weeks ago that we wouldn't see new case designs, for the reason I explained. Though I wasn't expecting to see a 16" AS MBP, since for that (as many others have already observed) they would need to compete with a dGPU, and I wasn't sure if they were there yet. If they do in fact release a 16" AS MBP (as opposed to a 16" AS MacBook-level device), I will be pleasantly surprised.
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To answer this question meaningfully, we should include not just pure Bootcamp users, but those who run Windows using virtualization software. The total is roughly 9-10% of the current ~100M Mac user base: ~2% who use Bootcamp directly, and maybe 7-8% who use Parallels/VMFusion/Virtual Box.
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Parallells says >6M of their customers are using Windows on the Mac (https://www.parallels.com/blogs/parallels-desktop-users/). VMWare says it has 500k customers (though those might not be all VMFusion), and then there's Virtual Box, which is free, and thus could have a decent no. of users for that reason. Adding in the 2M bootcamp users (2% of the ~100M Macs currently running), while at the same time recognizing that some people use both Parallels and Bootcamp, that gives roughly 10M people using Win-on-Mac, let's call it roughly 9-10%.
While I have no proof of it, Parallels has been saying stay tuned since June and I would expect them to be on stage on Tuesday to demo a version of Parallels that has an x86 emulator. If they weren't saving the announcement for an on-stage event, they would have followed up their posts with what their roadmap by now - to either say they won't do it or they will. But we already know they are working closely with Apple, and... well... there just isn't much of a market for using Parallels to run other Arm VMs. So that 9-10% will have their solution.