If even the 16 will be unveiled ,what about the intel one? Will it be removed or do they will sell alongside fo a period
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Apple Event to Include 13-Inch MacBook Pro, 16-Inch MacBook Pro, and 13-Inch MacBook Air With Apple Silicon Chips [Updated]
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Ah, crap. That still doesn’t make sense to me; they’re going to announce a new 13” with impeccable battery life and PPW but the 16” version of the same model is going to be on a completely different architecture and some blazing hot old Intel chip? It doesn’t make sense.
The rumors aren’t pointing this way, but a 12” could use higher end components and the Air remain the budget item. Perhaps it might happen with the redesign, imagine a 12" with: mini-led, edge-to-edge display, faceId, etc. Whilst the Air remains in its current design, but using an Apple chip.
That would resemble the scenario we had with the older Air design. The MacBook had a retina screen and USB-C whilst the Air had some older low res screen and traditional ports.
I'd been planning to replace my 2018 15" with an AS 16" when they came out, but I was banking on it being some time next year. If it really does get announced tomorrow it's going to be a much harder call, especially after just getting an iMac and new phone.
Based on the single-core performance of the A14 if the A14X (or whatever) has 8 performance cores the CPU performance would easily outpace any currently-available Intel laptop chips, but the GPU is the real question for the 16". You expect an integrated GPU in the 13" or Air, so my assumption had been Apple was going to wait, for whatever reason, before tossing out Macs with a beefier GPU.
Assuming Apple doesn't decide to downplay GPU performance for the first gen, I don't see the A14-whatever's GPU cores being able to meet or exceed a 5300M with 4GB GDDR, much less a 5600M with 8GB HBM2, so that would mean a 3rd party GPU is a must.
One thing I don't get is all the bemoaning no update to the form factor. The iMac, sure--the ultimate evolution of the iMac's shape would be to lose the chin and become a giant iPad on a stand. But what are you even going to change on the MBP at this point?
I mean, seriously, there hasn't been any substantial change to the form factor since the Aluminum PowerBook G4 released in January 2003. It got thinner over time, the corners got a little rounder at some point, the bezel on the screen got blacker and smaller to allow a bigger screen in the same footprint, the trackpad expanded to fill all available space, a Touch Bar appeared, and the contours of the case changed slightly, but fundamentally it's the same industrial design now as 17 years ago, just refined to take advantage of technological improvements.
With a full OLED screen, and maybe a hole-punch camera or notch, you could make the screen a bit larger or the footprint a bit smaller, but only slightly. The hinge design hasn't warranted a revamp in nearly 2 decades, what are you going to do with it now? I guess you could square off the edges of the case like a current-model iPhone or iPad Air/pro, but given what it feels like in the hand now I'm not entirely certain I'd prefer that. Basically, though, I could imagine no more than subtle refinements in the form factor for the foreseeable future.
The only exception I can think of would be if the entire thing was re-envisioned to work like a Magic Keyboard for the iPad... which might be awesome or might be a step back. The way I use my laptop 95% of the time (on my literal lap on the couch) that would definitely be worse than the current design.
Based on the single-core performance of the A14 if the A14X (or whatever) has 8 performance cores the CPU performance would easily outpace any currently-available Intel laptop chips, but the GPU is the real question for the 16". You expect an integrated GPU in the 13" or Air, so my assumption had been Apple was going to wait, for whatever reason, before tossing out Macs with a beefier GPU.
Assuming Apple doesn't decide to downplay GPU performance for the first gen, I don't see the A14-whatever's GPU cores being able to meet or exceed a 5300M with 4GB GDDR, much less a 5600M with 8GB HBM2, so that would mean a 3rd party GPU is a must.
One thing I don't get is all the bemoaning no update to the form factor. The iMac, sure--the ultimate evolution of the iMac's shape would be to lose the chin and become a giant iPad on a stand. But what are you even going to change on the MBP at this point?
I mean, seriously, there hasn't been any substantial change to the form factor since the Aluminum PowerBook G4 released in January 2003. It got thinner over time, the corners got a little rounder at some point, the bezel on the screen got blacker and smaller to allow a bigger screen in the same footprint, the trackpad expanded to fill all available space, a Touch Bar appeared, and the contours of the case changed slightly, but fundamentally it's the same industrial design now as 17 years ago, just refined to take advantage of technological improvements.
With a full OLED screen, and maybe a hole-punch camera or notch, you could make the screen a bit larger or the footprint a bit smaller, but only slightly. The hinge design hasn't warranted a revamp in nearly 2 decades, what are you going to do with it now? I guess you could square off the edges of the case like a current-model iPhone or iPad Air/pro, but given what it feels like in the hand now I'm not entirely certain I'd prefer that. Basically, though, I could imagine no more than subtle refinements in the form factor for the foreseeable future.
The only exception I can think of would be if the entire thing was re-envisioned to work like a Magic Keyboard for the iPad... which might be awesome or might be a step back. The way I use my laptop 95% of the time (on my literal lap on the couch) that would definitely be worse than the current design.
If we're not getting a 14" MBP next week, then realistically, it wouldn't be until at least the 2nd if not 3rd quarter of 2021, right? I feel like a complete redesign of the MBP would be event-worthy and not just one of those updates they quietly roll out (like the Magic keyboard).
So the next Apple big event is when, June 2021? That would the earliest we'd see a 14" MBP, on that logic?
So the next Apple big event is when, June 2021? That would the earliest we'd see a 14" MBP, on that logic?
Boy am I grad I bit the bullet and bought a new 16 inch i9 processor MacBook Pro!
don't ever want to transition to ARM. I like Intel and AMD.
Future New Computers will be Windows 10 machines I guess
APPLE lost me as a customer in this transition
It feels like we are going in reverse
Better show your ARM based Macs up against the fastest Intel and AMD processors.
These will be non upgradable THROW AWAY Macs the ones with ARM. not for me
like a good car. I like to keep it a long time and make my own repairs
don't ever want to transition to ARM. I like Intel and AMD.
Future New Computers will be Windows 10 machines I guess
APPLE lost me as a customer in this transition
It feels like we are going in reverse
Better show your ARM based Macs up against the fastest Intel and AMD processors.
These will be non upgradable THROW AWAY Macs the ones with ARM. not for me
like a good car. I like to keep it a long time and make my own repairs
Exactly. If they care so much what they outside looks like, then how much are they actually computing, eh?
Then at some point companies go and change a perfect form factor for no reason at all (sometimes sacrificing something) to satisfy the people who feel they need a new color/shape so they can upgrade...
Good luck upgrading and repairing that 16” MBP
incredible that they already lost you in a transition that hasn’t even begun
Thé big question is whether or not they will keep the touch bar.
While this is bold, nothing else makes sense: Any laptop they would introduce with Apple silicon would need to demonstrate a greatly improved performance over comparable Intel based model. The problem is that if you do it for the low end (MacBook Air), it becomes faster than the the next up Intel model (13-inch MacBook Pro) killing its sales. This leads to domino effect that requires Apple to update all laptops at once.
Lol the 16 is a new design. Also, it’s a laptop. not an iPhone. There is no “new design” coming. Lol
I fully expect Apple is going to stack the proverbial deck for the AppleSI debut. Meaning they will showcase the "insanely great" performance on Apple designed apps, and talk about how much faster these apps are than the older versions on current Macs. They have re-written (or will by launch) the majority of their apps to leverage the various custom components of AppleSI, accelerating the applications beyond the raw power of the ARM core. Meaning the performance will bely the power of the CPU. Older Macs that do most of the heavy lifting on the general purpose Intel cores will perform less well, making the AppleSI look very fast. However, this does not paint a full picture of what to expect. Applications that are not re-written to take advantage of the various component on the AppleSI SOC, will have to rely on the raw "grunt" of the ARM CPU, and this is where the Intel systems could perform better. I imagine the majority of these cases will be 3rd party, non-Apple developed software. The in-house applications will demonstrate the possibilities when the full capabilities of AppleSI are leveraged.
History has traditionally shown that when a GPU has to share memory with the system, performance suffers. It is simple physics, there is only so much memory bandwidth available, if it is being shared between both a GPU and the CPU, neither can reap the benefits of the full bandwidth. Not to mention, if your integrated GPU is using 4 to 8 GBs of your system RAM for graphics, there is that much less for your applications. It will be interesting to see if Apple mitigates this by boosting the RAM amounts in the systems. For example, Macs that would normally ship with 8 GBs, come with 12 or perhaps 16 GBs of RAM. They could easily "absorb" the extra cost of the RAM by leveraging the savings in CPU/GPU costs with the AppleSI. They may even do what Sony, and then Microsoft did and use a higher performance type of RAM as the main system RAM. Both the PlayStation 4/Pro and the XBOX One S/X use GDDR RAM vices SDRAM as is used in Macs and PCs now. This helps, but still doesn't mitigate the loses associated with having to share resources. Don't get me wrong, there are some benefits to sharing RAM between the GPU and CPU, but raw performance is not one of those. Dedicated GPUs with their own resources will outperform shared systems.
Makes you go hmmmmmm
Rich S.
History has traditionally shown that when a GPU has to share memory with the system, performance suffers. It is simple physics, there is only so much memory bandwidth available, if it is being shared between both a GPU and the CPU, neither can reap the benefits of the full bandwidth. Not to mention, if your integrated GPU is using 4 to 8 GBs of your system RAM for graphics, there is that much less for your applications. It will be interesting to see if Apple mitigates this by boosting the RAM amounts in the systems. For example, Macs that would normally ship with 8 GBs, come with 12 or perhaps 16 GBs of RAM. They could easily "absorb" the extra cost of the RAM by leveraging the savings in CPU/GPU costs with the AppleSI. They may even do what Sony, and then Microsoft did and use a higher performance type of RAM as the main system RAM. Both the PlayStation 4/Pro and the XBOX One S/X use GDDR RAM vices SDRAM as is used in Macs and PCs now. This helps, but still doesn't mitigate the loses associated with having to share resources. Don't get me wrong, there are some benefits to sharing RAM between the GPU and CPU, but raw performance is not one of those. Dedicated GPUs with their own resources will outperform shared systems.
Makes you go hmmmmmm
Rich S.
Well, if you have AppleCare+, you will get support for its full duration. Even it means that at some point they just swap out your Intel system for a new AppleSi variantGood luck upgrading and repairing that 16” MBP
.It’s a laptop that is already at the peak of design. Apple Silicon is by far more interesting.
Not sure why @Babygotfont disagreed with this statement - I thought it was more or less a proven fact that Apple Silicon GPUs will exceed the performance of all Intel iGPUs based on existing benchmarks?
This is exciting! We were expecting an Intel update for the 16-inch. If they really are doing an AS CPU and a native AS dGPU as well, that would be incredibly impressive as presumably both would be different from what the 13-inch is getting. That's a lot of engineering going on!!! I'm glad I bought my 16-inch just a few months ago, but I really look forward to an AS 16/15-inch in the future. I hope their GPU for the 16-inch utilizes HBM2/HBM2e/HBMnext.
Edit - also, if they are updating the 13 and 16 inch simultaneously both with AS, this suggests to me that the performance gains will indeed be quite substantial.
Edit - also, if they are updating the 13 and 16 inch simultaneously both with AS, this suggests to me that the performance gains will indeed be quite substantial.
It makes sense if Apple Silicon design is not yet able to compete against an 8-core 45W TDP Intel CPU and 50W discrete AMD GPU - which is what the MBP16 has.
Apple Silicon can probably match the Intel i9 CPU (maybe 8 performance cores + 4 low-power), but the AMD Radeon Pro GPUs are still at least twice as powerful and the A12Z and A14 chips in the iPad. I don't think Apple is quite ready to match that GPU performance on a single SoC.
Bear in mind that Apple said at WWDC that they will use unified memory for their GPUs, which rules out using any existing discrete GPU from AMD. They are no doubt developing their own GPU capability ("Lifuka"), but I think we'll need to wait until next year to see it.
Apple will announce 13” MacBook (no-bezel) Apple Silicon this month. The MacBook Pro will be released in March, and it will be 13” version in the same body as the current one. That will be a transitional model as they finalize the 14” no-bezel version to be released in October of 2021 along with the 16” no-bezel one released at the same time with the 14”.
Of course they could have a unified memory solution ready-to-go which does not require the GPU to be on the same SoC as the CPU.