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Apple Event to Include 13-Inch MacBook Pro, 16-Inch MacBook Pro, and 13-Inch MacBook Air With Apple Silicon Chips [Updated]
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You're not going to see that. 8 cores for the MB Air, and a slightly higher clocked 8 core chip for the 13" MBP.
6,8,or 12 gigs of RAM I suspect.
sure, it could run well. this also may just be a very early reveal for products that may not launch within 3 months.
unless apple has been working quietly with some major devs. even then, this is really a day 1 or even month 1 purchase only for the brave. compatibility across the board is going to be quite mediocre initially, no matter how well-performing this is.
the entire stack of iOS/iPad OS apps should be relatively quick to find their way to macOS, for the rest, that's a toss up
To [mis]quote FDR: "Someone bring me a one handed engineer".
Nonsense again. What is the purpose of benchmarks if the results cannot be compared?
First up... Wow! Next week!!! I was expecting the 17th. This will be the first time in years that I'll actually be looking forward to a Keynote. Long gone are the days of watching them from start to finish. Long gone are the days of watching them at all! I just watch MacRumors "everything in 7 mins" videos.
I'll be stunned if they release or announce a 16" AS MBP next week.
I really hope it's true though because I'll grab one. I'm actually grabbing whatever I can at this point. Something just for a year until the 2nd gen comes out with better screen and new design. But right now I need a new computer that doesn't get glitchy in Keynote when things get a bit hectic cheese.
I'll be stunned if they release or announce a 16" AS MBP next week.
I really hope it's true though because I'll grab one. I'm actually grabbing whatever I can at this point. Something just for a year until the 2nd gen comes out with better screen and new design. But right now I need a new computer that doesn't get glitchy in Keynote when things get a bit hectic cheese.
I'd gladly wait for 2d gen ARM MBP, so I can also get the new redesign and MiniLed screens. Those will cost expensive I'm sure but it'll worth upgrading. So curious to see how 1st Gen will perform though.
I wonder if some models might get an Intel refresh. Tim did say we have more Intel Mac's coming with the first Apple Silicon coming end of 2020. Might an Intel refresh for MBP 13/16 (Tiger Lakes/ Comet Lake) be feasible with a MBA running Apple SIlicon being the new product. Current MBA is passively cooled (might as well be, no heat pipes) and would be an obvious choice for a first AS equipped device along with maybe an AS Mac Mini. After all, current Mac Mini has no dGPU so probably a simpler path to take. Just a thought. Interesting but either way as I need to run Windows I doubt there will be many more of these in my future. Having had some great service (and a few blips, looking at you BMP Keyboard) over the years I will still follow next weeks event with interest.
Next years models should be more interesting. Apple will have to compete with 8 core tiger lake cpus and amd zen 3.
I think you misunderstood me. I don’t care what the average user thinks and it’s a mistake to ever cater to them or point to them while making excuses for Apple. I only care about what makes it useful for me. But again I’m not ready for a funeral just yet. I have around 5-7 years to go with the 16”mbp. Lots can change in that time.
Definition of "performance" will depend on your area of interest. For you it might be video editing, for me it's compiling code and running probabilistic simulations. For some, it might be gaming. Before we can test all these specific use cases however, it makes perfect sense to look at synthetic benchmarks for a general idea of how the hardware behaves.
It turns out that Geekbench is actually fairly closely correlated to more respected CPU benchmarks — https://nuviainc.com/blog/performance-delivered-a-new-way-part-2geekbench-versus-spec
A12 and A13 specifically have been evaluated in great depth. We know for certain that the A13 is just 5-10% slower than a 5.0 ghz Intel Skylake CPU and almost on par with a 4.8 ghz Tiger Lake. A14 in the iPhone is clocked 10% higher, so there is your performance estimate — and Geekbench scores are in line with it.
As to running benchmarks on iOS vs macOS — why would it make a difference? DTK results show quire clearly that it doesn't
Here's the thing they don't need to clock them much higher... At the current 3.0 ghz the A14 already matches the best core from both Intel and AMD. You can only go up from there. A multi-core design will of course require more power, but still a small portion of what Intel needs. Nobody wants a fanless 16" MBP, but you could have an above i9 performance with a 30W Apple CPU cluster.
What are you even arguing about then, especially claiming Apple is misleading people? Doesn’t seem like you are talking about your personal use case alone.
Why is it a mistake to cater to the vast majority of a company‘s user base? I’m sorry but you are making 0 sense in this thread.
Why are people getting excited to lose all their current compatibility? What you'll have is a load of mobile apps or years and I bet Apple will lock down the platform to their store. Everything will be soldered to the board as well, they'll claim it reduces latency or something, in reality you won't be able to upgrade after purchasing or repair it yourself.
It will be several years of catching up to x86, and gaming will finally go bye-bye.... well unless you like mobile ports.
It will be several years of catching up to x86, and gaming will finally go bye-bye.... well unless you like mobile ports.
Without ability to execute x86_64 virtual machines - farewell Apple. As a software engineer I don't care how much power ARM can provide to all this vlogger, bloggers... . Mac Book Pro 16 should have Tiger Lake-H, old 10-gen 14++++++++ is a useless upgrade.
Because some of us care about performance much more than we care about compatibility. Worst case scenario, I can get a second-hand gaming laptop to play my Windows game collection.
Not all rumors are equal. This is the one you should trust. Gurman knows his stuff and has choreographed the whole Arm transition with his reporting.
I use the 16" MBP for video editing, audio and photo editing. And probably some others, too, because the device offers a lot of power with a large screen. Apple Silicon is for sure fast and good, but what do I want to do with a device, if the software is simply not yet available? Emulate (translate or whatever) it and lose performance?
Wait and unpack it after six months? What I mean is, why should you buy the 16" in an AS version at this time?
Wait and unpack it after six months? What I mean is, why should you buy the 16" in an AS version at this time?
What kind of software do you need? Some major media editing suites (e.g. Adobe Cloud) will most likely be available from day 0 or soon thereafter.
For now. They could be waiting until MiniLED.
The “rumors” of a a14x MacBook are dead though, not that they were ever credible. But lovetodream has said there will be a 12” MacBook and he is credible so who knows.
Your guess is as good as mine. But Apple did show some Adobe apps running natively already in June. Even January or February is "soon enough" IMO, you don't have to buy an AS Mac as soon as it's out. December or February doesn't make that much practical difference.
Would be cool if they actually did redesign and have form factors reminiscent of Lenovo Yoga hybrids or detachable tablet/keyboard combos. The hardware and software align, but the form factor is still the traditional laptop.
My dream is to have a phone which runs full OS X or full Windows 10.
My dream is to have a phone which runs full OS X or full Windows 10.
Maybe I don't need that compatibility anyway? Most of the tools I use are open source and already ported to arm for years. I'd love to have those mobile apps to reduce tab clutter in Safari. I don't know where you've spent the last couple of years, everything is already soldiered, stop making up excuses. And gaming was never there anyway.
What I actually wanted to say is that the most important thing is the software. I don't care if it's Apple Silicon or Intel. And that's how most customers will feel. And if the software is not available from start, there is no point in buying it.
There could be a lot of frustration for many potential buyers which are not every day at Macrumors.