I'm at a complete loss. How was this feature meant to work if not like this?
(And I think it's annoying as hell. I much preferred the post-access banner.)
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Apple Executive Responds to Annoying iOS 16 Copy and Paste Prompt: 'Absolutely Not Expected Behavior'
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(And I think it's annoying as hell. I much preferred the post-access banner.)
Lol. Another day, another bungle for Apple's software team. I've seen kids in high school that can code with more competency than anyone at Apple lately.
Anyone still think Craig & his Stooges should remain at Apple?
Anyone still think Craig & his Stooges should remain at Apple?
They access the mic and camera without your permission too, Facebook especially.
If you read the patent application, it’s quite a bit more…specifically a method in how it’s able to tell the difference between a user asking to paste vs a programmatic paste mechanism, even in the face of automated UI tools. So for example if a piece of code “pressed” a paste button vs a user actually touching the screen to paste.
It's happening all the time on the latest iPad Pro running the beta as well as on my iPhone 12 pro which didn't get any beta this time.
Been happening with all the apps I've been using as well. Where so wide spread, it just always seems so surprising that Apple hasn't experienced the same common issues internally. I can only imagine it they are testing on fresh devices with fresh accounts or testing in emulators, etc, rather than testing in a more real world scenarios.
It seems pretty random. I get it in some apps, sometimes not. And even randomly in the apps that do…
Both say the exact opposite of what you took away from them.
Exactly this. How is the OS supposed to know when to ask for permissions? This is so basic, I mean, it’s ****ing common sense.
That’s not the issue at all. The issue is the OS is not identifying when I’m copying and pasting from when an app is copying my clipboard without any interaction from me.
The vast majority didn’t do anything wrong, they just used an API in a way that later on was resigned as suspect.
It’s a potential violation, but for the vast majority of them it probably wasn’t.
It’s supposed to not ask for permission when the user manually pressed the system paste button.
Every Apple employee, and I assume that's most of them, should be required to upgrade to all of the betas for everything before the public. That's 120,000-some guinea pigs. I bet that would make a difference.
I will say there’s some ambiguity but nope, I don’t agree.
These paragraphs indicate the prompt was coming but the behavior deployed was not what was “intended”. Now that could be a bug but the Apple response stopped short of a calling it a bug. The linked article says the behavior coming was a prompt to approve. It never said anything more about the behavior not asking in some cases. So one can reasonably conclude what was deployed is behaving as designed, but not behaving as originally envisioned.
Neither of us have the actual development requirements but one reasonable conclusion is the prompt is functioning as designed but perhaps was not what was actually envisioned. An interpretation mistake.
That leaves us with:
Bug, maybe. Bad testing.
Poor communication in the requirements, maybe. Again, another bad look for Apple developers/testers.
It didn’t work that way in testing? Oh, really? So did they install objects other than what they were testing? An even worse look.
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THIS^^^^ as well as the "Would you like to delete this conversation?". It is an unnecessary PITA to reduce clutter in the Messages app.
Wait till they try coding while maintaining interoperability with 50 other independent programming teams
You make it sound so easy to drive to an Apple Store and replace your phone. Do they let you leave with both devices? Because if they don't I would literally need to sit at the store for 6+ hours to do a proper data transfer then go into each and every security app and use my old phone to transfer enrollment to the new phone. Signal takes an hour to move conversations to a new device and you can't do anything on either device while the transfer is in progress etc.
Some of us use our phones. Actually use them. We use them for home and work. They have hundreds of apps. They have configurations and security tokens (work and personal). It takes hours to switch devices and seeing issues from restoring from backup causing problems is extremely unsettling. I will not send my old phone in until I am sure the data transfer was successful.
You are really going to talk about how easily bugs can be fixed. Then why weren't they fixed during the multi month testing and beta period. It's a failure to QA. I am sure they using AI instead of people. I am sure Apple employees are scared to use a company issued unreleased phone to do personal stuff but this is what is required. If the Apple QA team was humans actually using the phone most of this would have been caught months ago.
You can literally use this logic for anything in the world. This is the it's no ones fault mentality.
Spoiled milk at the grocery store. Do you know how big that farm is and how much product they ship out it happens.
I love the joke of go to a competitor. Let's really think it through. I am up to a just shy of a $2,000 iPhone this year. Is it really wrong of me to be upset that there have been multiple reports of issues every days since launch? BTW new headline there is another issue for the list (slow camera). Still wondering where the threshold is that you go you know what Apple is getting lazy. I have purchased an insane amounts of Apps and IAPs over the years that basically get trashed switching to Android. Let alone its a garbage privacy nightmare.
But oh no I expect the trillion dollar company to maybe have a handful of employees actually use a new device as their daily driver prior to launch so that these bugs that have been popping up daily might actually show up before launch makes me unreasonable.
OK.
That's up to you. If you're having difficulty handling the situation, simply purchase a better phone with no issues from a competitor and experience happiness. Will you do it?
"Still wondering where the threshold is that you go you know what Apple is getting lazy."
Seriously, you should not spend so much time wondering about me.
Again, software and hardware for phones has grown exponentially over the years. And with that, internal Apple testing along with hundreds/thousands outside alpha and beta testers, I still expect there will be early bugs due to the complexity of the software and hardware
I know Apple will fix them. There are much more important things to fret about.
Maybe you should sign up being an alpha/beta tester for Apple and help them find all the bugs that you think should be a slam-dunk to find? Will you do it?
If I wasn't pleased with my Apple products I'd switch in an instant. It seems like that is the best course of action for you.
As an aside, I'm really pleased with my iPhone 14 PM; especially the main camera.
I always have to laugh at "easily be fixed". I hope that an easy fix doesn't make the rest of the system collapse.
One of the developers on my team did not understand that we had a problem because of a bug he didn't catch during development testing, while the bug was very apparent from the unit tests (that failed). The QA team spent a whole month testing the system because the changes had a huge impact. The developer said: what's the problem, it only took me 5 minutes to fix the issue. The QA team weren't exactly happy, as every single manual test had to be redone, causing the QA team to spend another month.
Same here on my 13PM running iOS 16.1 beta, so definitely not exclusive to the 14s. On mine the pop-up comes up EVERY. SINGLE. TIME I paste anything (text, link, image) in any app (first or third party).
Between this, iOS 16.1 beta breaking so many of my apps and not being able to DFU restore to 16.0, I'm losing the last shreds of patience I had left for Apple's rapidly deteriorating software QA.
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As an iOS developer myself, which button is that? There's a PasteButton object in SwiftUI, but I believe the body is completely customizable. Skipping the prompt wouldn't be safe.